Top 10 Clans of All Time

[firstholliday]

Thread still going... Nice

I'm not sure the spam counts as still going..

yes it does

[iAmCaffeine]

Yo who's been digging up graves then? We have enough evidence, admit to it.

[gannable]

I was in AFOS when it split apart. Someone in that split logged into my account and began ruining several of my games. I forget if one had anything to do with a clan war, maybe not.

But, alot of the members of AFOS (including myself) simultaneously got burnt out with the website. My play deteriorated over a couple yr span and I lost all patience all of my games. I took a 3 yr hiatus and just rejoined last month.

REgardless, THOTA will always be #1 in my book.

Bltizaholic and Big Whiskey are the best players in this website's history.

[IcePack]

Welcome back

[joecoolfrog]

I have been away a long time so cannot comment on current clans , in any case it is always difficult to compare old and new. What I can say is that THOTA absolutely set the clan benchmark and were unbeatable for a number of years , quite simply they were a collection of superstars , they had pretty much all the top players of the period. Would the likes of Blitz , David Wain , Big Whiskey , Big Yuma , Comic Boy and all the rest still be competitive these days , im guessing they would.

[benga]

I have been away a long time so cannot comment on current clans , in any case it is always difficult to compare old and new. What I can say is that THOTA absolutely set the clan benchmark and were unbeatable for a number of years , quite simply they were a collection of superstars , they had pretty much all the top players of the period. Would the likes of Blitz , David Wain , Big Whiskey , Big Yuma , Comic Boy and all the rest still be competitive these days , im guessing they would.

they would, but they would not be no.1 or unbeatable

[rockfist]

I think if you take the top all time line-ups of S&M, or TOFU versus the top all time line-up of THOTA that S&M or TOFU would win, obviously you might have some players in two or more of those line-ups but oh well. But this is like a debate about who the best all time forumla 1 driver was...impossible to conclude (although it was Senna).

[IcePack]

Actually I think the main reason THOTA wouldn’t win up to their old form is all the new maps and settings etc. however if they returned and warred for sometime they might then be competitive once again on all the new settings etc.

This is one of the reasons why the MWC4 was interesting to me, who performs best on the old settings etc still. Also why the throwback was interesting to me, but we didn’t get to see that to fruition.

[niMic]

I know we beat THOTA eventually, but when I think back and think about THOTA, that's not the first thing that comes to mind. They really did feel invincible. Of course, they were the best at recruiting, and they always cultivated this impression of "the best of the best", so good new players wanted to join them. Eventually I think KoRT* out-recruited them, so when some old-timers started losing interest they couldn't keep up.

It's impossible to say how they would fare now. Obviously they were good tactical players, so after learning the new maps and modes I see no reason why they wouldn't be good.

(*We always had great recruiters. I wonder if people realize that josko had a dozen or less team-games when he was recruited. For mostly team-games in a clan setting!)

[betiko]

The question would rather be... who had the most impact on an era then....
Because otherwise, the longevity should definitely count. Excelling at clan wars is mostly a matter of dedication.
Recruiting, training, chosing home maps, away teams, managing to have some great communication in all games, with people always ready to sit a turn if you see that there are 20 minutes left and your teammate has gone awol, keeping a good atmosphere within a clan and keeping people interested... it's a lot of work. Just when your season ends, the next is already started. Wether you've just won a major title or you've lost by a fly's dick, it's hard to find the motivation to put the same effort one more year... then another. A lot of big players often drop out and have to be replaced....
That is why kort and tofu are far superior to thota

[niMic]

Yes, I agree. It's also why the KoRT-TSM marriage was so successful (and necessary). Both clans with a lot of great players but a declining active player-base. I've quit CC for fairly long stretches of time myself, and sometimes I never thought I'd return. I'm still far from as active as I was in ye olden days. I'm sure all clans have players they miss from before, so it's not easy to remain relevant.

[codeblue1018]

Bruce you did a great job with your original post. As a someone who has been around clans since the beginning I think your list is the best.

However i think i would put THOTA #1, they always had a target on their back and everyone gunned for them and gave them their best shot and best teams. Some of the slightly newer clans that have emerged since THOTA's dominance were also great but if i could put the best of THOTA entire squad versus the best of any of the other clans since thens best squads i think i would have my $ on THOTA.

Trust me nobody hated them more than i did but they deserve the respect they had. They were the bulls of the 90's.

LOW may not be a top 5-10 clan right now but like you posted, in our prime we beat everyone not named THOTA. We played them in a couple of challenges which both came down to a 52% to 48% type of finish. In our prime i think we may have been closer to a 4 or 5 but great points have been made about the other clans you put in front of us.

I think it would be hard to make a top 10 list but i may as well throw one together. I am only putting

1 THOTA
2 KORT
3 LOW - I do this because when we were in our prime TOFU was part of LOW (so i can't put them ahead of LOW's prime members)
4 TSM - This clan was carried by Seul, not a complete clan, they just used seul to the max every war. One of the best players/not clan
5 TOFU
6 IA
7 ACE
8 EMP

I think these clans in their prime would be on the list close to this order. But you could mix and match any of the 3-5 spots in my opinion.

Left out 9 and 10 because In my opinion only these are the clans engraved in my CC history.

Seul carried TSM? We had many key players in TSM; TSM was a very, very good and talented clan with or without Seul. We were in the mix in almost every war we were in; not sure what you based your analysis on. The best part of this clan was the atmosphere amongst the group; everyone was laid back and most importantly, we all had fun.

[betiko]

Bruce you did a great job with your original post. As a someone who has been around clans since the beginning I think your list is the best.

However i think i would put THOTA #1, they always had a target on their back and everyone gunned for them and gave them their best shot and best teams. Some of the slightly newer clans that have emerged since THOTA's dominance were also great but if i could put the best of THOTA entire squad versus the best of any of the other clans since thens best squads i think i would have my $ on THOTA.

Trust me nobody hated them more than i did but they deserve the respect they had. They were the bulls of the 90's.

LOW may not be a top 5-10 clan right now but like you posted, in our prime we beat everyone not named THOTA. We played them in a couple of challenges which both came down to a 52% to 48% type of finish. In our prime i think we may have been closer to a 4 or 5 but great points have been made about the other clans you put in front of us.

I think it would be hard to make a top 10 list but i may as well throw one together. I am only putting

1 THOTA
2 KORT
3 LOW - I do this because when we were in our prime TOFU was part of LOW (so i can't put them ahead of LOW's prime members)
4 TSM - This clan was carried by Seul, not a complete clan, they just used seul to the max every war. One of the best players/not clan
5 TOFU
6 IA
7 ACE
8 EMP

I think these clans in their prime would be on the list close to this order. But you could mix and match any of the 3-5 spots in my opinion.

Left out 9 and 10 because In my opinion only these are the clans engraved in my CC history.

Seul carried TSM? We had many key players in TSM; TSM was a very, very good and talented clan with or without Seul. We were in the mix in almost every war we were in; not sure what you based your analysis on. The best part of this clan was the atmosphere amongst the group; everyone was laid back and most importantly, we all had fun.

pretty funny how old players spawn back, that haven't played in ages and don't know what has been going on in the clan world for the last 5 years or so, and think that for some reason everything was better in the old days.
That would be like retired players from wilt chamberlain's era that haven't watched a game since and would rank the best team in NBA history based on what happened in the 60s.
Sure, some teams still deserve to be there, but not all. And what happens after that counts too.

[iAmCaffeine]

How is his comment relevant to what you just said at all? He's talking about how TSM had a talented roster of players and they weren't just carried by Seul, an exceptionally talented player. Meanwhile you seem to be talking about veteran players thinking "everything was better in the old days". Did you misinterpret what you quoted or what?

[Donelladan]

I think he was mainly referring to reptile's post.

[betiko]

I think he was mainly referring to reptile's post.

Exactly, missquoted there. Reptile and all those that think the clan world only went downhill after they stopped playing. Some great players left but other great players were born

[iAmCaffeine]

I think he was mainly referring to reptile's post.

Exactly, missquoted there. Reptile and all those that think the clan world only went downhill after they stopped playing. Some great players left but other great players were born

Ah fair enough. Personally I think comparing clans from then to now is pointless. Back then one of the most complicated maps would've been something like Waterloo, whilst now we have the likes of Spanish Armada, WWI Gallipoli and many more. The best players years ago dominated on more basic maps, whereas now it's much more about specialist maps. Some people would try to argue that being so good on the most basic maps is more impressive because it's so much more simple as a whole, but it's also impressive to find ways to outplay people on complicated maps. Not to mention strategy as a whole will have developed over the years. They were the best then, and others are the best now. It's impossible to make a fair comparison.

[betiko]

I think he was mainly referring to reptile's post.

Exactly, missquoted there. Reptile and all those that think the clan world only went downhill after they stopped playing. Some great players left but other great players were born

Ah fair enough. Personally I think comparing clans from then to now is pointless. Back then one of the most complicated maps would've been something like Waterloo, whilst now we have the likes of Spanish Armada, WWI Gallipoli and many more. The best players years ago dominated on more basic maps, whereas now it's much more about specialist maps. Some people would try to argue that being so good on the most basic maps is more impressive because it's so much more simple as a whole, but it's also impressive to find ways to outplay people on complicated maps. Not to mention strategy as a whole will have developed over the years. They were the best then, and others are the best now. It's impossible to make a fair comparison.

Pretty much. But putting top 10 clan rankings with tsm, ia, empire and even ace... and not even putting a clan such as fallen... and with tofu as number 5 behind tsm... you really have to be clueless and only remember things up to 2012 (even if ace didn t even exist yet in 2012 if i remember well).
I'd also like to know what clans such as tsm, ia, empire or ace have acheived compared to lhdd, foed and osa for example. These 3 clans might ve been mediocre in 2012 but they grew and acheived glories that the others never did.

[iAmCaffeine]

I think he was mainly referring to reptile's post.

Exactly, missquoted there. Reptile and all those that think the clan world only went downhill after they stopped playing. Some great players left but other great players were born

Ah fair enough. Personally I think comparing clans from then to now is pointless. Back then one of the most complicated maps would've been something like Waterloo, whilst now we have the likes of Spanish Armada, WWI Gallipoli and many more. The best players years ago dominated on more basic maps, whereas now it's much more about specialist maps. Some people would try to argue that being so good on the most basic maps is more impressive because it's so much more simple as a whole, but it's also impressive to find ways to outplay people on complicated maps. Not to mention strategy as a whole will have developed over the years. They were the best then, and others are the best now. It's impossible to make a fair comparison.

Pretty much. But putting top 10 clan rankings with tsm, ia, empire and even ace... and not even putting a clan such as fallen... and with tofu as number 5 behind tsm... you really have to be clueless and only remember things up to 2012 (even if ace didn t even exist yet in 2012 if i remember well).
I'd also like to know what clans such as tsm, ia, empire or ace have acheived compared to lhdd, foed and osa for example. These 3 clans might ve been mediocre in 2012 but they grew and acheived glories that the others never did.

It's potentially a never-ending discussion at the end of the day. If you look at achievements then sure, LHDD, FALL etc. have more accolades to their names than perhaps the likes of TSM or ACE (not sure on this), but there are also a lot more events now than there were back then. Again it's not a fair comparison. On the other hand, it's easy to remember the highs of the former top clans which then leaves an exaggerated memory of how good they are. There is no sane argument to be had where TOFU isn't a top 3 all time clan. I think some of the names you mentioned are more debatable. OSA are a good clan but they've never been consistent for a long period of time. For ages I've considered S&M and TOFU the top 2, then LHDD, FOED and FALL fill out the top 5. I don't have any of them in a particular order. Since TOP came onto the scene though they've put a spanner in the works.

[betiko]

I think he was mainly referring to reptile's post.

Exactly, missquoted there. Reptile and all those that think the clan world only went downhill after they stopped playing. Some great players left but other great players were born

Ah fair enough. Personally I think comparing clans from then to now is pointless. Back then one of the most complicated maps would've been something like Waterloo, whilst now we have the likes of Spanish Armada, WWI Gallipoli and many more. The best players years ago dominated on more basic maps, whereas now it's much more about specialist maps. Some people would try to argue that being so good on the most basic maps is more impressive because it's so much more simple as a whole, but it's also impressive to find ways to outplay people on complicated maps. Not to mention strategy as a whole will have developed over the years. They were the best then, and others are the best now. It's impossible to make a fair comparison.

Pretty much. But putting top 10 clan rankings with tsm, ia, empire and even ace... and not even putting a clan such as fallen... and with tofu as number 5 behind tsm... you really have to be clueless and only remember things up to 2012 (even if ace didn t even exist yet in 2012 if i remember well).
I'd also like to know what clans such as tsm, ia, empire or ace have acheived compared to lhdd, foed and osa for example. These 3 clans might ve been mediocre in 2012 but they grew and acheived glories that the others never did.

It's potentially a never-ending discussion at the end of the day. If you look at achievements then sure, LHDD, FALL etc. have more accolades to their names than perhaps the likes of TSM or ACE (not sure on this), but there are also a lot more events now than there were back then. Again it's not a fair comparison. On the other hand, it's easy to remember the highs of the former top clans which then leaves an exaggerated memory of how good they are. There is no sane argument to be had where TOFU isn't a top 3 all time clan. I think some of the names you mentioned are more debatable. OSA are a good clan but they've never been consistent for a long period of time. For ages I've considered S&M and TOFU the top 2, then LHDD, FOED and FALL fill out the top 5. I don't have any of them in a particular order. Since TOP came onto the scene though they've put a spanner in the works.

Even TOP has acheived more than ACE. ACE lasted for a very short period of time and they didn't do much. I don't think they ever finished 10 wars to be ranked by win% on the clan page. They were pretty good, because it happened after the merge of 2 very good clans (empire and aoc) but they never won anything, nor ever went far in the CC cup, got beat by FALL then vanished. There is just no argument possible to put ACE on top of FALL, LHDD and FOED.
TSM was a much better clan than ACE btw.

[rockfist]

ACE had one second place in CL Premier Division, which isn't bad, but doesn't merit being ranked above LHDD, Fallen (who IMO should be #4), or FOED.

[IcePack]

ACE had one second place in CL Premier Division, which isn't bad, but doesn't merit being ranked above LHDD, Fallen (who IMO should be #4), or FOED.

Whose your top 3?

[rockfist]

S&M, TOFU, and THOTA. I'd say Fallen is one major championship away from challenging for the #3 spot, given their streak of CC finals, but that is only my opinion.

[benga]

thota is overrated

[niMic]

thota is overrated

I don't know about that. They were pretty much unbeatable... until we beat them, that is. I guess it was a simpler time, but still.