Congrats on Joe Biden! USA's 46th president

[2dimes]

I'd also just add... anyone who feels Trump has 'no chance' in this election because of polls... Hillary was up by 10-12 pts in some polls this week in 2016.

I already alluded to that. I was bracing for impact on Election Day. Then, surprise!

[betiko]

4 Out of 10 Voters Believe Joe Biden is Suffering from Dementia

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public ... s_dementia

Wait until the debates start and he starts mumbling on stage. This time bomb is ticking.

Call me Shirley, but the problem here, is that trump has proved to be suffering from severe dementia throughout the past 4 years, while biden only probably has it. But I don't think he suffers from the Duning Kruger effect as Trump does, nor that Poutine has his peepee tapes. Amirite saxi??

[betiko]

I'd also just add... anyone who feels Trump has 'no chance' in this election because of polls... Hillary was up by 10-12 pts in some polls this week in 2016.

I already alluded to that. I was bracing for impact on Election Day. Then, surprise!

Call me Shirley, but the other day a poll said that biden had 3 times hilary's advance 4 month away. So yeah.. hilary did lose, but she had more votes... the big difference also was that neither trump nor hilary were in power and couldn't be blamed about anything happening. Today trump still has to be president of a country in super crisis, and things keep going terribly wrong. Biden can just sit on a bench and watch trump showering in gas next to a bondfire.

[Jdsizzleslice]

So, I want to have a serious inquiry here. Everything Trump related aside, only talking about Biden and his campaign alone.

Even policies aside, I don't think there is a dispute that his mental health is declining, and the person he chooses for VP has a decent chance to become President if Biden wins. In my view, Biden's campaign would then focus on empowering the VP candidate more than in previous years due to the health of Biden: a atypical campaign strategy. Or maybe they completely ignore Biden's mental health altogether.

I'm curious as to what draws people to him. Is it because they hate Trump so much they will vote for him by default or do people like him because of his policy, knowing he is declining mentally?

List of attributes that have been presented in the discussion thusfar as to why someone would vote for Biden:

• Not Trump
• A Democrat
• Potentially seen as a Moderate
• Potentially seen as more empathetic
• Potentially seen as a uniter of people

[riskllama]

it because they hate Trump so much they will vote for him by default

if i had to guess, it would be that.

[HitRed]

Greed is not of me. The enemy is full of greed and this is showing right now in your country.* One side is very thirsty and hungry for power and control.** They lust for what they want. Their greed eats at them, all they think about is what they want. It’s all about them. They do not care about anyone else.

The Dems will overlook all Bidens faults.

[riskllama]

Greed is not of me. The enemy is full of greed and this is showing right now in your country.* One side is very thirsty and hungry for power and control.** They lust for what they want. Their greed eats at them, all they think about is what they want. It’s all about them. They do not care about anyone else.

The Dems will overlook all Bidens faults.

kind of like what the Republicans have done & will do again w/Trump?

[HitRed]

Greed is not of me. The enemy is full of greed and this is showing right now in your country.* One side is very thirsty and hungry for power and control.** They lust for what they want. Their greed eats at them, all they think about is what they want. It’s all about them. They do not care about anyone else.

The Dems will overlook all Bidens faults.

kind of like what the Republicans have done & will do again w/Trump?

They are not equal. God has choosen sides.

[riskllama]

Greed is not of me. The enemy is full of greed and this is showing right now in your country.* One side is very thirsty and hungry for power and control.** They lust for what they want. Their greed eats at them, all they think about is what they want. It’s all about them. They do not care about anyone else.

The Dems will overlook all Bidens faults.

kind of like what the Republicans have done & will do again w/Trump?

They are not equal. God has choosen sides.

what about separation of church & state?

[jonesthecurl]

Trumped by separation of HitRed and reality.

[Dukasaur]

I'm curious as to what draws people to him. Is it because they hate Trump so much they will vote for him by default

I'm not American so I won't be invited to vote in your election, but yes. Balanced against all of Trump's flaws, a case of mild senility is pretty small potatoes. I think a great many people would have someone other than Biden as their first choice, but if they didn't get their first choice, they'd be willing to vote for almost anyone to beat Trump.

[Jdsizzleslice]

I'm curious as to what draws people to him. Is it because they hate Trump so much they will vote for him by default

I'm not American so I won't be invited to vote in your election, but yes. Balanced against all of Trump's flaws, a case of mild senility is pretty small potatoes. I think a great many people would have someone other than Biden as their first choice, but if they didn't get their first choice, they'd be willing to vote for almost anyone to beat Trump.

But he won the Democrat Primary, so clearly there are a great many people that want specifically him as compared to the other candidates.

What's the appeal?

[jimboston]

So, I want to have a serious inquiry here. Everything Trump related aside, only talking about Biden and his campaign alone.

Even policies aside, I don't think there is a dispute that his mental health is declining, and the person he chooses for VP has a decent chance to become President if Biden wins. In my view, Biden's campaign would then focus on empowering the VP candidate more than in previous years due to the health of Biden: a atypical campaign strategy. Or maybe they completely ignore Biden's mental health altogether.

I'm curious as to what draws people to him. Is it because they hate Trump so much they will vote for him by default or do people like him because of his policy, knowing he is declining mentally?

I don’t think you can lump all his supporters into one group. People are making their decisions for all the reasons you state above and more...

- I think the vast majority of people who check “Biden” in November will be the mass of sheep who just vote “Democrat” no matter what.
(Don’t get me wrong, there are a nearly equivalent number of people who do the same for “Republican”.

- There are a number of people who put their ‘blinders’ on and don’t acknowledge or recognize the serious mental decline.
These people remember Joe from his younger day’s and attributes his gaffes to his personality. He’s always been kinda loose with his talk and has been prone to putting his foot in his mouth, so these people point to these older instances, and ignore the fact that he;s getting weirder and his nonsense is more frequent.

- Then there are the people who are aware he’s losing it, but are hoping to get through “Weekend at Bernies” style. This group doesn’t care how they win or who wins, they just want Trump to lose.

There are probably other reasons, right? I think you nailed the main one’s, except for just the ‘blind masses’ one.

The problem is that the last group couldn’t coalesce around another Candidate, and the first two groups leaned towards Joe because of his name recognition and history with the Party.

It’s sad and dangerous... potentially even more dangerous than another Trump Term.

We got through it with Regan, so there’s no reason to think we would survive another brain-dead President.

[Jdsizzleslice]

I don’t think you can lump all his supporters into one group. People are making their decisions for all the reasons you state above and more...

I didn't lump all "supporters" into one group. That's why I asked the question, to understand why someone would specifically choose him in the Primaries and the General Election over anyone else running against him.

I think the vast majority of people who check “Biden” in November will be the mass of sheep who just vote “Democrat” no matter what.
(Don’t get me wrong, there are a nearly equivalent number of people who do the same for “Republican”.

I figured this was an obvious point that didn't need to be addressed...

There are a number of people who put their ‘blinders’ on and don’t acknowledge or recognize the serious mental decline.
These people remember Joe from his younger day’s and attributes his gaffes to his personality. He’s always been kinda loose with his talk and has been prone to putting his foot in his mouth, so these people point to these older instances, and ignore the fact that he;s getting weirder and his nonsense is more frequent.

Then there are the people who are aware he’s losing it, but are hoping to get through “Weekend at Bernies” style. This group doesn’t care how they win or who wins, they just want Trump to lose.

There are probably other reasons, right? I think you nailed the main one’s, except for just the ‘blind masses’ one.

The other reasons are why I made the post initially. I see a lot of willful ignorance or TDS, and not a lot inbetween. The post was made to inquire what people thought aside from blindly following or having TDS.

Did you not gather that I was asking for the inbetween from my initial post?

The problem is that the last group couldn’t coalesce around another Candidate, and the first two groups leaned towards Joe because of his name recognition and history with the Party.

It’s sad and dangerous... potentially even more dangerous than another Trump Term.

Trump's first term has been dangerous in what way?

We got through it with Regan, so there’s no reason to think we would survive another brain-dead President.

Reagan? Braindead? Now there's a bias if I have ever heard one. Is this another "I say it so it must be fact" statements from you?

[Dukasaur]

I'm curious as to what draws people to him. Is it because they hate Trump so much they will vote for him by default

I'm not American so I won't be invited to vote in your election, but yes. Balanced against all of Trump's flaws, a case of mild senility is pretty small potatoes. I think a great many people would have someone other than Biden as their first choice, but if they didn't get their first choice, they'd be willing to vote for almost anyone to beat Trump.

But he won the Democrat Primary, so clearly there are a great many people that want specifically him as compared to the other candidates.

What's the appeal?

I don't really have any great insights into the process other than what's already been publicly discussed. He's a moderate liberal, seen as being capable of appealing to both moderate liberals and to moderate conservatives. Decades of his Senate performance show him as favouring centrist compromise. I think a lot of people are distressed about the growing polarization in American politics, and I think they have hopes that a moderate voice could help heal the rift.

[mookiemcgee]

I'm curious as to what draws people to him. Is it because they hate Trump so much they will vote for him by default

I'm not American so I won't be invited to vote in your election, but yes. Balanced against all of Trump's flaws, a case of mild senility is pretty small potatoes. I think a great many people would have someone other than Biden as their first choice, but if they didn't get their first choice, they'd be willing to vote for almost anyone to beat Trump.

But he won the Democrat Primary, so clearly there are a great many people that want specifically him as compared to the other candidates.

What's the appeal?

His appeal is that he has in spades what Trump lacks. I say this from a dispassionate place and I'm not trying to say either is better or worse in the post... but many people would say one of Trump biggest character flaws is 'lack of empathy', and this is probably where Biden scores better than just about anyone who ran in the primary. People have historically picked a replacement that has what the replaced lacks. If Trump wasn't running, and it was another republican I truly believe Biden would never have won the nomination... but right time, right place.

I think most people would agree George Bush had like no personality or sense of fun/approach-ability when he spoke. Clinton came out of nowhere and won the Dem nomination in part because he had like an approach-ability/swagger/personality GB lacked.

That's my take anyway, specifically on what his appeal is to average mostly non-politically minded or educated people... the ones who tend to make the difference in close elections and vote on personality traits rather than policy. I think what Duku said also holds alot of relevance and weight specifically in regards to the primary and why he had appeal over the rest of the field who were almost all 'further to the left'. Dems proved with their votes they wanted a uniter (of the country, not the party), and not someone who was just going to be a lefty demagogue (mirror of trump from the other side).

[jimboston]

I don’t think you can lump all his supporters into one group. People are making their decisions for all the reasons you state above and more...

I didn't lump all "supporters" into one group. That's why I asked the question, to understand why someone would specifically choose him in the Primaries and the General Election over anyone else running against him.

I think the vast majority of people who check “Biden” in November will be the mass of sheep who just vote “Democrat” no matter what.
(Don’t get me wrong, there are a nearly equivalent number of people who do the same for “Republican”.

I figured this was an obvious point that didn't need to be addressed...

There are a number of people who put their ‘blinders’ on and don’t acknowledge or recognize the serious mental decline.
These people remember Joe from his younger day’s and attributes his gaffes to his personality. He’s always been kinda loose with his talk and has been prone to putting his foot in his mouth, so these people point to these older instances, and ignore the fact that he;s getting weirder and his nonsense is more frequent.

Then there are the people who are aware he’s losing it, but are hoping to get through “Weekend at Bernies” style. This group doesn’t care how they win or who wins, they just want Trump to lose.

There are probably other reasons, right? I think you nailed the main one’s, except for just the ‘blind masses’ one.

The other reasons are why I made the post initially. I see a lot of willful ignorance or TDS, and not a lot inbetween. The post was made to inquire what people thought aside from blindly following or having TDS.

Did you not gather that I was asking for the inbetween from my initial post?

The problem is that the last group couldn’t coalesce around another Candidate, and the first two groups leaned towards Joe because of his name recognition and history with the Party.

It’s sad and dangerous... potentially even more dangerous than another Trump Term.

Trump's first term has been dangerous in what way?

We got through it with Regan, so there’s no reason to think we would survive another brain-dead President.

Reagan? Braindead? Now there's a bias if I have ever heard one. Is this another "I say it so it must be fact" statements from you?

So Mookie... you don’t think this response is an attack?

I just posted adding my thoughts, not confrontationally nor disagreeing with anything he said... then I get this.

Funny.

[betiko]

Greed is not of me. The enemy is full of greed and this is showing right now in your country.* One side is very thirsty and hungry for power and control.** They lust for what they want. Their greed eats at them, all they think about is what they want. It’s all about them. They do not care about anyone else.

The Dems will overlook all Bidens faults.

The irony of your post is astonishing.

[jimboston]

I don’t think you can lump all his supporters into one group. People are making their decisions for all the reasons you state above and more...

I didn't lump all "supporters" into one group. That's why I asked the question, to understand why someone would specifically choose him in the Primaries and the General Election over anyone else running against him.

I wasn’t saying ‘you’ in the sense that I was accusing you of doing this.

I was saying it in the general sense that they can’t be lumped together.

You question didn’t ask why Joe versus other Democrats, but the last sense is the comparison versus Trump.

I think the vast majority of people who check “Biden” in November will be the mass of sheep who just vote “Democrat” no matter what.
(Don’t get me wrong, there are a nearly equivalent number of people who do the same for “Republican”.

I figured this was an obvious point that didn't need to be addressed...

It’s obvious to me...but since you asked “why will people vote for Joe” it didn’t seem so obvious to you.
I guess I need to be a mind reader.

There are a number of people who put their ‘blinders’ on and don’t acknowledge or recognize the serious mental decline. These people remember Joe from his younger day’s and attributes his gaffes to his personality. He’s always been kinda loose with his talk and has been prone to putting his foot in his mouth, so these people point to these older instances, and ignore the fact that he;s getting weirder and his nonsense is more frequent.

Then there are the people who are aware he’s losing it, but are hoping to get through “Weekend at Bernies” style. This group doesn’t care how they win or who wins, they just want Trump to lose.

There are probably other reasons, right? I think you nailed the main one’s, except for just the ‘blind masses’ one.

The other reasons are why I made the post initially. I see a lot of willful ignorance or TDS, and not a lot inbetween. The post was made to inquire what people thought aside from blindly following or having TDS.

Did you not gather that I was asking for the inbetween from my initial post?

Here you’re just digging for something to argue with me about.

The problem is that the last group couldn’t coalesce around another Candidate, and the first two groups leaned towards Joe because of his name recognition and history with the Party.

It’s sad and dangerous... potentially even more dangerous than another Trump Term.

Trump's first term has been dangerous in what way?[/quote]

1) Random tweets that conflict with his Cabinet and official statements coming out of the White House.
2) Confrontational language with other World Leaders that have worsened US relations and have potentially more serious consequences.
3) Misinformation about the Covid-19 virus coming directly from the Presidential lips.
4) Escalation of partisan rhetoric, already way too high before Trump, now escalated to levels not seen in my lifetime and probably not seen since the Civil War.
5) Downplaying of obvious racist groups and racist segments of Trump support base.
6) Illegal activities within the White House staff and general blurring of the line between what’s right/wrong and behavior that’s acceptable/unacceptable.
7) Ignoring scientific fact in regards to Climate Change.
Embracing ‘fake news’... the idea of ‘fake news’ and denial or the existence of actual truth.

I could go on if I sat here and thought about it... of course you’ll deny all this anyway.

We got through it with Regan, so there’s no reason to think we would survive another brain-dead President.

Reagan? Braindead? Now there's a bias if I have ever heard one.

Reagan was a great speaker and knew how to command a room and get people to like him.
He was a decent president and in my. ignorant youth I thought he was one of the best.

His first term wasn’t bad.

... but yes by the middle of his second term he was clearly Alzheimer’s and “brain dead” is an exaggeration but he wasn’t whole.

Is this another "I say it so it must be fact" statements from you?

Since I never said this... no.

[betiko]

I'm curious as to what draws people to him. Is it because they hate Trump so much they will vote for him by default

I'm not American so I won't be invited to vote in your election, but yes. Balanced against all of Trump's flaws, a case of mild senility is pretty small potatoes. I think a great many people would have someone other than Biden as their first choice, but if they didn't get their first choice, they'd be willing to vote for almost anyone to beat Trump.

Not american either but I agree with that. Every time I hear a trump speach... I hear an ignorant pretending to know everything about everything, speaking to his people as a daddy explaining stuff to his toddler... pushing all the vile buttons (nationalism, racism, bullying, selfishness, confrontation, religious beliefs amd so on)
He's the typical guy that does everything by gut feeling... and he's been wrong so many times in his business and personal life with that attitude.... but for him everything is a win.
He respects so much dictators because that's his wet dream (no pun). The guy really wants to run the entire show and would never accept advice from experts because he knows better.... the guy is the opposite of wise.

I really don't understand why people need to be so die hard "republicans" or "democrats".... a democracy only works if power alternates between "general well being" and "individual freedom". It's always about compromising between both things and to keeps as much people happy and productive, never about making part of your population miserable.
It's absolutely impossible to make all ends meet, everything is about compromise, deal with a situation you are left with, the challenges your nation will face within a global economy. Every time you take a decision people will be unpleased. But if you take you decision thinking that you are doing it for the greater good, given all the elements you have in hand, and even if it's counter productive for your own self... well you are doing a good job. If you use your position for your own benefit and the ones of your inmediate circles then you are a corrupt POS. I think that most democracies are flawed because in order to get in power, you need to sell your soul to lobbies and big companies, in promise to repay favours while in office. This totally sucks. Being a politician should be a vocation. People who want to lead for the greater good of their nation.

[mookiemcgee]

I don’t think you can lump all his supporters into one group. People are making their decisions for all the reasons you state above and more...

I didn't lump all "supporters" into one group. That's why I asked the question, to understand why someone would specifically choose him in the Primaries and the General Election over anyone else running against him.

I think the vast majority of people who check “Biden” in November will be the mass of sheep who just vote “Democrat” no matter what.
(Don’t get me wrong, there are a nearly equivalent number of people who do the same for “Republican”.

I figured this was an obvious point that didn't need to be addressed...

There are a number of people who put their ‘blinders’ on and don’t acknowledge or recognize the serious mental decline.
These people remember Joe from his younger day’s and attributes his gaffes to his personality. He’s always been kinda loose with his talk and has been prone to putting his foot in his mouth, so these people point to these older instances, and ignore the fact that he;s getting weirder and his nonsense is more frequent.

Then there are the people who are aware he’s losing it, but are hoping to get through “Weekend at Bernies” style. This group doesn’t care how they win or who wins, they just want Trump to lose.

There are probably other reasons, right? I think you nailed the main one’s, except for just the ‘blind masses’ one.

The other reasons are why I made the post initially. I see a lot of willful ignorance or TDS, and not a lot inbetween. The post was made to inquire what people thought aside from blindly following or having TDS.

Did you not gather that I was asking for the inbetween from my initial post?

The problem is that the last group couldn’t coalesce around another Candidate, and the first two groups leaned towards Joe because of his name recognition and history with the Party.

It’s sad and dangerous... potentially even more dangerous than another Trump Term.

Trump's first term has been dangerous in what way?

We got through it with Regan, so there’s no reason to think we would survive another brain-dead President.

Reagan? Braindead? Now there's a bias if I have ever heard one. Is this another "I say it so it must be fact" statements from you?

So Mookie... you don’t think this response is an attack?

I just posted adding my thoughts, not confrontationally nor disagreeing with anything he said... then I get this.

Funny.

No, I don't think his response was an attack.

You started your post with 'I don't think you'. which just right out of the gate comes across as accusatory and defensive. I don't think you meant it as "I don't think you JD" but you've certainly left it open to being read that way. Words matter!

[Jdsizzleslice]

His appeal is that he has in spades what Trump lacks. I say this from a dispassionate place and I'm not trying to say either is better or worse in the post... but many people would say one of Trump biggest character flaws is 'lack of empathy', and this is probably where Biden scores better than just about anyone who ran in the primary. People have historically picked a replacement that has what the replaced lacks. If Trump wasn't running, and it was another republican I truly believe Biden would never have won the nomination... but right time, right place.

I think most people would agree George Bush had like no personality or sense of fun/approach-ability when he spoke. Clinton came out of nowhere and won the Dem nomination in part because he had like an approach-ability/swagger/personality GB lacked.

That's my take anyway, specifically on what his appeal is to average mostly non-politically minded or educated people... the ones who tend to make the difference in close elections and vote on personality traits rather than policy. I think what Duku said also holds alot of relevance and weight specifically in regards to the primary and why he had appeal over the rest of the field who were almost all 'further to the left'. Dems proved with their votes they wanted a uniter (of the country, not the party), and not someone who was just going to be a lefty demagogue (mirror of trump from the other side).

I posted a list of attributes as to why someone would potentially vote for him here, those which we have discussed.

I wasn’t saying ‘you’ in the sense that I was accusing you of doing this.

I was saying it in the general sense that they can’t be lumped together.

You question didn’t ask why Joe versus other Democrats, but the last sense is the comparison versus Trump.

My apologies. You have phrased statements directly at me in the past using the word "you", so I assumed that this was the same. Also, my question was irrespective of who he was running against.

It’s obvious to me...but since you asked “why will people vote for Joe” it didn’t seem so obvious to you. I guess I need to be a mind reader.

It's obvious because people on both sides vote red or blue regardless of who it is. No disputes there. But, because you brought it up, I'll include it in the list of attributes as to why someone would vote for Biden.

Here you’re just digging for something to argue with me about.

No. I'm just trying to understand which qualities people see in Biden that they would want to elect him. What qualities do you see in him, yourself?

Reagan was a great speaker and knew how to command a room and get people to like him.
He was a decent president and in my. ignorant youth I thought he was one of the best.

His first term wasn’t bad.

... but yes by the middle of his second term he was clearly Alzheimer’s and “brain dead” is an exaggeration but he wasn’t whole.

Your phrasing was absolute, not exaggerated.

Is this another "I say it so it must be fact" statements from you?

Since I never said this... no.

Obviously you never said that, because I put the statement in quotes (otherwise I would have just used the "quote" forum option tag). It refers to your absolute language that you use when discussing with others.

Since you seem to make unsubstantiated claims, please back them up by answering the following questions. Note, I am not expressing my opinions on your statements, but I am wanting specific clarifications on the following 9 points to better understand the argument you are making.

1. Random tweets that conflict with his Cabinet and official statements coming out of the White House.

Which tweets? Can you point to a source or multiple tweets?

2. Confrontational language with other World Leaders that have worsened US relations and have potentially more serious consequences.

Which leaders? What type of confrontational language was used?

3. Misinformation about the Covid-19 virus coming directly from the Presidential lips.

What misinformation? Who has been correct about anything COVID-19 related?

4. Escalation of partisan rhetoric, already way too high before Trump, now escalated to levels not seen in my lifetime and probably not seen since the Civil War.

What specific rhetoric are you referring to? Could it possibly be a mutual escalation?

5. Downplaying of obvious racist groups and racist segments of Trump support base.

What racist groups has Trump downplayed? Is there a racist group he has yet to condemn?

6. Illegal activities within the White House staff and general blurring of the line between what’s right/wrong and behavior that’s acceptable/unacceptable.

What illegal activities? What lines were blurred with right/wrong behavior?

7. Ignoring scientific fact in regards to Climate Change.

Which scientific facts were ignored?

8. Embracing ‘fake news’... the idea of ‘fake news’ and denial or the existence of actual truth.

What denial of truth? Is the idea of "fake news" a farce?

So Mookie... you don’t think this response is an attack? I just posted adding my thoughts, not confrontationally nor disagreeing with anything he said... then I get this. Funny.

What attack did I make on you?

[jimboston]

What attack did I make on you?

You’re tiresome.

[jimboston]

No, I don't think his response was an attack.

OK... if you say so.

You started your post with 'I don't think you'. which just right out of the gate comes across as accusatory and defensive. I don't think you meant it as "I don't think you JD" but you've certainly left it open to being read that way. Words matter!

Words do matter... and I suppose it’s possible to interpret it that way, unless you read the whole post.
I think if you read the whole thing it’s obvious I’m just commenting and not trying to start a fight.
He;s choosing the most negative way to interpret what I posted.

[Jdsizzleslice]

What attack did I make on you?

You’re tiresome.

No, you're just too lazy to back your statements with your supporting evidence. Any answers to my 9 questions?