Cultural Appropriation?

[jimboston]

I’m not denying the validity of past oppression, nor am I arguing about the current inequalities in American life.

These things are real, though we can discuss the extent to which they are real vs. perception…and possible solutions / how we should act..this is all topic for another thread and not something I am necessarily disagreeing with you about here.

I am talking solely about the idea of “cultural appropriation” and how it’s a joke and has no valid meaning; mainly because how the meaning can change from moment to moment and person to person near instantaneously. You can’t have a “rule” that applies to one set of people only. It don’t work bruh.

Oh… and I never said we should “force” people who have some Native American identify to assimilate. They can do whatever they want within the law. I said that their unwillingness to assimilate (at least some aspects of Anglo-American culture) is holding them back educationally, economically, and health-wise…and the idea they should perpetuate this policy is pressed in them by their “leaders”… primarily for the benefit of said leaders.

BTW I don’t believe we (as a Nation) should acknowledge “separate” or “independent” “nations” within our borders…. it’s unsustainable.

[bigtoughralf]

Anglo-American culture

I thought you didn't believe in white culture because everything in the US has been blended? Don't you mean 'American culture'?

[saxitoxin]

It's not entirely clear what percent of Black Americans are descended from anyone forced to come to the United States versus those who came here voluntarily.

As of 2023 about 20% are second generation immigrants. And 3-5th generation immigrants are still outside the possible overlap of the end of slavery in 1865. And even in the antebellum era, up to 15% of Black Americans were non-slaves. On the other hand, the moment a 4th generation immigrant has a grandparent who intermarries into ADOS they, too, instantly become ADOS with a snap of the fingers, so that someone with 8 Black great grandparents, 5 of whom immigrated after 1865, 2 of whom were Free Blacks, and 1 of whom was ADOS is, themselves, 100% ADOS.

• Neither Barack Obama nor Kamala Harris, the two highest ranked Blacks in the Democratic Party, have any slave ancestry at all - not even one percent (1%). And number 3, Hakeem Jeffries, is less than 50% descended from slaves.
  
  However, the three highest ranked Blacks in the Republican Party - Senator Tim Scott, Rep. Byron Donalds, and Kentucky Attorney-General Danield Cameron - are all slave descendants.
  
  Since the Democratic Party is the party of slavery it makes sense, I suppose, that descendants of Free Blacks don't have a problem affiliating with it while descendants of enslaved Blacks do feel uncomfortable doing so.

[jimboston]

Anglo-American culture

I thought you didn't believe in white culture because everything in the US has been blended? Don't you mean 'American culture'?

There are subcultures… have you not heard that term?

Plus Native American has separated themselves with unique legal/governmental structures that do inhibit some cross-over.
NOT all cross over.

You really don’t seem to understand nuance in any sense.

Either that or you just like to be an Ass.

[jusplay4fun]

Anglo-American culture

I thought you didn't believe in white culture because everything in the US has been blended? Don't you mean 'American culture'?

There are subcultures… have you not heard that term?

Plus Native American has separated themselves with unique legal/governmental structures that do inhibit some cross-over.
NOT all cross over.

You really don’t seem to understand nuance in any sense.

Either that or you just like to be an Ass.

Look who is calling the Kettle black...!

[bigtoughralf]

Anglo-American culture

I thought you didn't believe in white culture because everything in the US has been blended? Don't you mean 'American culture'?

There are subcultures

Clarification from jim: he does believe in the existence of black and white cultures after all.

[jimboston]

Anglo-American culture

I thought you didn't believe in white culture because everything in the US has been blended? Don't you mean 'American culture'?

There are subcultures

Clarification from jim: he does believe in the existence of black and white cultures after all.

Clarification from BTR; he is actually an ass.

[bigtoughralf]

Maybe if you didn't keep contradicting yourself I wouldn't have so much material.

[jimboston]

Maybe if you didn't keep contradicting yourself I wouldn't have so much material.

Maybe if you would have an open mind, realize I’m writing a few sentences on a website and not a legal brief, and maybe open your mind to nuance…

[jusplay4fun]

Maybe if you didn't keep contradicting yourself I wouldn't have so much material.

Maybe if you would have an open mind, realize I’m writing a few sentences on a website and not a legal brief, and maybe open your mind to nuance…

Maybe if you showed more analysis and less recitation of insults we could have a civil conversation here. And we are not expecting a legal brief from you; we know that that is BEYOND your mental ability, jimb. Just more thought would be a good start, jimb.

[jimboston]

JP$ no longer argue points or ideas… He now only argues against whatever I post

LOL

[KoolBak]

Just reply to every post with

"Nice argument. Does it come with a dick in your mouth?"

[jimboston]

Just reply to every post with

"Nice argument. Does it come with a dick in your mouth?"

Nice point. Does it come with a dick in your mouth?

[MrBoom]

Claiming Scottish tartan as your heritage because you have Irish ancestors is like claiming sushi because your grandad was from China.

[kennyp72]

So now you've dropped the Irish thing in favour of some sort of pan-Celticism?

Is that even an actual clan tartan, or just a tartan pattern?

Irish and Scottish have both traditionally worn Kilts.

My family hails from Ireland, but many (off the boat Irish included) have thought my surname was Scottish. So it’s highly probably that my forefathers came from Scotland or migrated back and forth between the two. There was much exchange between these two areas.

So claiming “Celtic” as my heritage is not unreasonable.

I assume it’s just a pattern, and the material is different.

Doesn’t mean it’s NOT appropriation… one could make a native American looking headdress from fake feathers and it would still be considered in appropriate.

Scots are not all celts. Never were.

[kennyp72]

Irish and Scottish have both traditionally worn Kilts.

looool kilts aren't a cultural thing, it's tartan (Scottish) that has cultural significance. I'm surprised you didn't know that, given your close ties to the culture (e.g. someone once told you that your name might originate from Scotland).

Next you'll be complaining about Indian people wearing blue jeans.

Jeans should only be worn by Americans, North and South Americans are both fine…. and maybe Australia/New Zealand.
Anyone else wearing them is absolutely cultural appropriation.

(but I of course subscribe to the “yeah but cultural appropriation means nothing really” idea…)

Cloth De Nimes should only be worn by who now?

[2dimes]

Can I wear Tartan if I am not Scottish?

For those with no Scottish blood or ancestry, there are many universal or generic tartans that can be worn. Some universal tartans commemorate a special event, charity or person, while others have been created to celebrate a district or geographic area. You can find our collection of generic tartans by visiting the 'generic' tab on our Clan Finder.
We also stock a number of Irish & Welsh tartans for those with connections connections to the Emerald Isle or of Welsh heritage.
Though there really are no definitive rules, and if you like a tartan you are free to wear it.

[kennyp72]

I was speaking to a Grenadian girl

This became unbelievable within the first ten words.

That's seven words, numb nuts.

Europeans also gave up their own gods to adopt one pushed on them by outsiders. I don't think there are many Europeans nowadays who still worship Odin or Zeus.

Christianity originated within the Roman Empire and was eventually adopted as Rome's official religion. So its spread within Europe was led by the Romans.

It's a fair point that nations like England only have the language, religion etc they do due to Roman colonisation and as such English people are actually enormous victims of colonialism.

Are English people even English? I just asked ChatGPT what percent of white residents of England are "predominantly" descended from pre-Roman Brythons and it told me between 5-25 percent.

I think the English were exterminated and replaced by Romans and Normans, just like Native Americans were exterminated in North America. The only difference is, in North America we play act and pretend Native Americans actually still exist since there's billions of dollars in casino money and federal grants that depend on the illusion. Take away the money and the entire Tribal system collapses tomorrow.

Early Britons inhabiting the southern/eastern part of what is now England fled to what is now Wales. These were celtic people. Some went North to what is now Scotland but these lands were already inhabited by the fearsome Picts.

[2dimes]

Picti was a Latin term for a few regional tribes of Celtic people. They later adopted it, much like rap music did with the N word.

[Funkyterrance]

He just looks to me a jackass lacking je ne sais quoi. I don’t think it’s deliberate beyond attempting some not-so-common combination. He’s merely a failed fashion fop. I see an attempt to turn a trend turned argyle abortion. At any rate, he’s sporting sequins on his jeans and decidedly deranged.

[Pack Rat]

OMG! Caucasians having an argument over what? Cultural appropriation? Throwing words like dick in mouth?

How gay!

[bigtoughralf]

Picti was a Latin term for a few regional tribes of Celtic people. They later adopted it, much like rap music did with the N word.

Rap was actually invented by English Picts. Back then it was called flyting. Sadly this culture was erased by the Roman invasion, a trauma which directly led to the Reformation, Napoleonic Wars, and later the Brexit vote.