jnd94 wrote:hrm......We are in a pickle now. If we dont go with wicked's bluff, and she actually is who she syas, "the most powerful jedi", we are in some deep shit. If we saver her and she is scum, then she is pretty much safe the whole game because we still think she is the jedi. Now, Im pretty sure that Mandy would have put all main jedi knight characters in, because when i checked how amny NJO characters there are, I came up with 37. Therefore I propose we wait to see if there is a counte-claim, if there is we lynch wicked, if not we lynch AK. Sound good?
not at all. We already have one jedi knight claimed. If she isn't the real one, we'll know by AK's death. Getting out a jedi for the mafia to kill is not a good idea.
True, but if you look at this problem from all angles, you will see their is no way to get out of this without losing townies (unless this is an elaborate scheme by AD,wicked and AK that went wrong). i think this way is the most sure-fire way.
yes true, but if we lynch AK we'll at least get a townie, dead instead of a jedi knight. And if Wicked is going to die anyway. We don't need another jedi to die with her.
Vote: Mandy Eddie35: hi everyone Serbia: YOU IDIOT! What is THAT supposed to be? Are you even TRYING to play this game?! Kill the idiot NOW please!
Skoffin wrote: So um.. er... I'll be honest, I don't know what the f*ck to do from here. Goddamnit chu.
The1exile wrote:Don't lynch me if I'm wrong (because it's late and i'm tired) but couldn't the jedi who's doing the duel vouch for wicked being a jedi, since they can;t be lynched and might not be alive nyway?
It seems to be that would be the best way of verifying wicked's identity, though I don't have a reason to distrust AK really (a mislynch on day 1 will hardly kill us even if it is a powerful jedi).
i dont think jedis know the other jedis.
Wicked seems to suggest that they do... Unless I'm misreading her posts.
no exile, I think it's best if we keep the claims to me and IC for today. I think people are believing me and when IC turns up scum, or insane cop, that'll further substantiate who I am.
The1exile wrote:Don't lynch me if I'm wrong (because it's late and i'm tired) but couldn't the jedi who's doing the duel vouch for wicked being a jedi, since they can;t be lynched and might not be alive nyway?
It seems to be that would be the best way of verifying wicked's identity, though I don't have a reason to distrust AK really (a mislynch on day 1 will hardly kill us even if it is a powerful jedi).
i dont think jedis know the other jedis.
Wicked seems to suggest that they do... Unless I'm misreading her posts.
wicked wrote:what? who said he was the most powerful?
Wikipedia.
haha... If I'm the most powerful, the town is in deep shit! Looks like I'm dead tonight anyway, unless I get lucky with the dice again... or if my fellow Jedi wins the duel.
guys i am thinking wicked is telling the truth
Anarkistsdream wrote:I'm not whatever that guys name was...
But I am on the jedis side...
Obviously I would never say that if I was truly him... hah
anarkistsdream was you claiming to be a jedi here????
jnd94 wrote:hrm......We are in a pickle now. If we dont go with wicked's bluff, and she actually is who she syas, "the most powerful jedi", we are in some deep shit. If we saver her and she is scum, then she is pretty much safe the whole game because we still think she is the jedi. Now, Im pretty sure that Mandy would have put all main jedi knight characters in, because when i checked how amny NJO characters there are, I came up with 37. Therefore I propose we wait to see if there is a counte-claim, if there is we lynch wicked, if not we lynch AK. Sound good?
not at all. We already have one jedi knight claimed. If she isn't the real one, we'll know by AK's death. Getting out a jedi for the mafia to kill is not a good idea.
True, but if you look at this problem from all angles, you will see their is no way to get out of this without losing townies (unless this is an elaborate scheme by AD,wicked and AK that went wrong). i think this way is the most sure-fire way.
yes true, but if we lynch AK we'll at least get a townie, dead instead of a jedi knight. And if Wicked is going to die anyway. We don't need another jedi to die with her.
I dont totally understand what you mean, but I may have another idea.
We wait a while, let AK and wicked both fully explain, and then just decide from there. I want to use the no deadline rule to our advantage, and i think letting wicked and AK stay in the hotseat for a while may help.
jnd94 wrote:hrm......We are in a pickle now. If we dont go with wicked's bluff, and she actually is who she syas, "the most powerful jedi", we are in some deep shit. If we saver her and she is scum, then she is pretty much safe the whole game because we still think she is the jedi. Now, Im pretty sure that Mandy would have put all main jedi knight characters in, because when i checked how amny NJO characters there are, I came up with 37. Therefore I propose we wait to see if there is a counte-claim, if there is we lynch wicked, if not we lynch AK. Sound good?
not at all. We already have one jedi knight claimed. If she isn't the real one, we'll know by AK's death. Getting out a jedi for the mafia to kill is not a good idea.
True, but if you look at this problem from all angles, you will see their is no way to get out of this without losing townies (unless this is an elaborate scheme by AD,wicked and AK that went wrong). i think this way is the most sure-fire way.
yes true, but if we lynch AK we'll at least get a townie, dead instead of a jedi knight. And if Wicked is going to die anyway. We don't need another jedi to die with her.
I dont totally understand what you mean, but I may have another idea.
We wait a while, let AK and wicked both fully explain, and then just decide from there. I want to use the no deadline rule to our advantage, and i think letting wicked and AK stay in the hotseat for a while may help.
that could work. I don't see any down side to it.
Vote: Mandy Eddie35: hi everyone Serbia: YOU IDIOT! What is THAT supposed to be? Are you even TRYING to play this game?! Kill the idiot NOW please!
Skoffin wrote: So um.. er... I'll be honest, I don't know what the f*ck to do from here. Goddamnit chu.
freezie wrote:It would make no sense that IC gets a 1 shot investigation, if the investigation is paranoid.
Good point. Unless he says "oh I was just saying that to prevent scum from taking me out tonight", which could be true but still makes him an insane cop, so useless to the town, and a good sacrifice to prove my innocence.
I would also like to hear from willis and Skoffin. I don't think they've posted once yet, have they?....and any players who haven't posted something today.
These were some action-packed pages. Well, first of all Unvote.
Freezie's making sense there, it's doubtful AK could be insane. We'll have to wait for him, and also wait for people to check Wicked's claim as a counterclaim is still possible.
On a side note, FOS Trestain your behavior doesn't feel right, focusing so much on Nark and trying to make him claim now
We have a claimed investigation with a scum result. IC and wicked have a history of going after each other on day one (see ManHunt mafia); and, this isn't the first time IC's landed a funky role like this (again, see ManHunt). My first, natural instinct is to trust his result.
My second instinct say that wicked revealed enough information regarding her role that either she's telling the truth or she was given that information as part of a safe fake claim. I can see either happening.
So, there are several possible scenarios (ordered by what I think is most likely most likely to least likely) :
Possibility 1 : IC is telling the truth, wicked is scum. Usually, people don't fake a cop claim on Day 1 without extreme extenuating circumstances. The only time faking a cop claim this early is when you know that there won't be consequences after the lynch. Plus, IC claim to have a one-shot investigative role rings somewhat true to me; if he did have it, I can certainly see him using it on wicked.
Possibility 2 : IC is a lyncher (or grudgeholder), wicked is his target. While this would fit the circumstances, the odds that IC would get wicked as a target randomly (*stares at Maid Mandy*) are low, especially in a game this size.
Possibility 3 : wicked is a miller. Millers are usually told the nature of their role (mandy, can you confirm this?), so if wicked were then that's what she should have claimed. A miller is a townie and townies shouldn't lie. Thus, this possibility strikes me a small.
Possibility 4 : IC is fake claiming scum, yet knows he's unlikely to survive past Day 2 (or has some other reason why the fake claim won't back fire - perhaps he's a terrorist and plans on blowing himself up anyway?). Thus, he's taking this opportunity to kill off wicked before he goes down.
Possibility 5 : IC is telling the truth, but is insane. For a one-shot investigation role, insanity doesn't make much sense, so I'm largely discounting this possibility, but it's there.
Possibility 6 : IC is the Mafia Usurper, and wicked is the Godfather. IC hopes to survive his fake claim by actually nailing scum (if wicked turns out to be Godfather, we should immediately lynch IC).
Possibility 7 : IC is the Godfather, and is sacrificing wicked to make himself look town. This is the least likely, but most dangerous possibility, IMHO. It's actually something I would strongly consider doing in a big game were I Godfather. About the only giveaway for this one is if IC survives into deep rounds, since he's usually a fairly high priority night kill target - however, this giveaway relies on a WIFOM argument.
There are no other scenarios I can think of where IC would claim a one shot investigation and wicked would claim Jedi.
However, now we need to look at worst case scenario's. If we lynch wicked, worst case scenario is that she's telling the truth, and we loose one of our strongest power roles (and then we lynch IC). If we lynch IC, worst case scenario is that he's telling the truth, and is now (having spent his load) a vanilla townie (then we lynch wicked).
Both worst case scenario's lead to the same result (IC and wicked dead) but one of them kills off a power role.
Hence, my suggestion:
We lynch IC today (he's, at best, a vanilla townie). If he's town, we lynch wicked tomorrow. If he's the Usurper or the Godfather, we lynch wicked tomorrow. If he's a terrorist, lyncher, grudgeholder, or etc. we let wicked live. If he's random other scum, we scratch our heads and let our true cop investigate wicked.
(Note: There is actually one other possibility not in my list above which I intentionally didn't mention. Unfortunately, the possibility seems reasonable and would be a pretty powerful reason to let IC live, but not quite strong enough IMHO to outweigh the reasons to lynch him. I'm intentionally not mentioning said possibility because, if it is true and if we decided not to lynch IC, mentioning it would help the scum. If you know what this possibility is, you know why I didn't mention it, and I'd ask you not to mention it either. If you don't know what it is, don't ask.)
That said,
Unvote Vote: IC
You know, unfortunately, this whole thing is reminding me too much of ManHunt, where I used a similar logic against IC and wound up paying for it. I hope I'm not making a mistake here.
Another possibility, IC really doesn't want to play and is suiciding against me b/c of some recent "disagreements" we've had outside the game. The fact that he came on just to say that today, then disappeared, when I believe he's posted elsewhere, lends credence to this.
When IC was cop in the Robin Hood game, he investigated me night 1 and was planning to get some more investigations under his belt before going after me, so he'd have more to help the town with. So even though he got a scum result, he wasn't going to make it known right away. Of course, this didn't end up mattering since I was killed off night 1.
wicked wrote:Another possibility, IC really doesn't want to play and is suiciding against me b/c of some recent "disagreements" we've had outside the game. The fact that he came on just to say that today, then disappeared, when I believe he's posted elsewhere, lends credence to this.
When IC was cop in the Robin Hood game, he investigated me night 1 and was planning to get some more investigations under his belt before going after me, so he'd have more to help the town with. So even though he got a scum result, he wasn't going to make it known right away. Of course, this didn't end up mattering since I was killed off night 1.
True; but lynching IC should reveal this. If he's a plain townie, or any role that doesn't actually get an investigation, we'll know it from his lynch.
The point here being that I can completely believe that IC would use a one-shot investigation ability to investigate wicked, if he had one. Further, if the investigation were really one-shot, then afterwards he's simply a vanilla townie, so there's no point in hiding his role. Thus, what he has stated makes sense, and is in character for him. So, I cannot out of hand dismiss his claim.
On the other hand, I also wouldn't put it past him to try something. Further, since he's claimed that after using his ability he's basically a townie, his sacrifice is not a great one if the alternative is the potential to accidentally lynch our most important townie.
However, one thing to keep in mind. If IC's role comes up as anything that might be a pro-town power role (and not simply vanilla townie), or he comes up as either Godfather or Usurper, the town must make sure to lynch wicked tomorrow. Sadly, having stuck my neck out, I'm probably not likely to survive the night, so you can't rely on me to lead the lynch squad.
Well, you covered everything. If IC is town and tells the truth it will be a good trade off. I do hope he'll come back to explain himself though, as Wicked's point about him being just suiciding because of grudges sounds also likely at this point. That and another possibility, that I won't name as I'm not 100% sure you were thinking of the same thing. If he doesn't pop up, I'll put my vote there tomorrow.
Aimless, that was a huge post. Very giving away, and it makes sense (obviously, cause one of those possibilities were going to be right).
So, Wicked's been in the middle of all the heat. First with Anark, then with AK. Trestain is also popping on the edges, not giving up with Anark, then going after Wicked.
But as Aimless makes the most promising post and possibilities, I'm going to have to vote AkIceman
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While Wicked's role claim isn't 100% foolproof, I think it is enough to defer her lynch for a while. If IC's claim that he had a 1 use power and is now a townie, then there will be virtually no loss from lynching him to detirmine the truth in Wicked's claim.
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Vote: IC
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Well for one, I didn't think Wicked or Nark were scum in the first place. Nark was just being playful and Wicked, well.. she was being wicked
Now, IC's claim on the other hand seems very fishy. I have a hunch he's lying there, though I don't know for what purpose. I agree with lynching him today and if I was wrong and HE IS a day cop or whatever, we'll lynch wicked tomorrow
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I think Aim's reasoning is valid and is best option for now, far better then the usual random day one lynch. I couldn't be bothered with the "make the post really long in agreement withsomeone else so it holds more water" So I'm just gonna vote.
Vote IC
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And if Wicked is going to die anyway. We don't need another jedi to die with her. 
Unless I'm misreading her posts.
