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WalkingShadow · Post by **WalkingShadow** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:40 pm

can waiting to go last in every speed turn be considered "cheating."

ParadiceCity9 · Post by **ParadiceCity9** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:42 pm

Visaoni · Post by **Visaoni** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:45 pm

WalkingShadow wrote:can waiting to go last in every speed turn be considered "cheating."

It's called "freestyle."

WalkingShadow · Post by **WalkingShadow** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:48 pm

dont be an asshole, no would be fine.

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:55 pm

Its pritty much a legal tactic, at te moment. Theres plans to possible chagne the system to stop this happening but im not sure the the final word is yet. However saying that this tactic IS frowned upon alot.

Visaoni · Post by **Visaoni** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:21 pm

WalkingShadow wrote:dont be an asshole, no would be fine.

I wasn't. That is what happens in freestyle. All the best (and many who aren't) at freestyle use the tactic. It pretty much defines freestyle more than even quicker games. It may change in the future, but right now playing the clock is a major part of freestyle.

Herakilla · Post by **Herakilla** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:27 pm

i consider all the people who have to use it to win on the lower end of freestyle players

ParadiceCity9 · Post by **ParadiceCity9** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:28 pm

Herakilla wrote:i consider all the people who have to use it to win on the lower end of freestyle players

QFT

tankster3 · Post by **tankster3** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:09 pm

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:09 pm

Herakilla wrote:i consider all the people who have to use it to win on the lower end of freestyle players

it doesnt make you a bad palyer if you manipulate the system (legally ro win)

its liek alliances, people cliam that you suck if you use tehm, but using diplomacy effectily isnt easy.

Herakilla · Post by **Herakilla** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:19 pm

@ tankster: i believe QFT is quoted for truth

@ gimil: if you are in a position that you have to use this tactic often, then you are truly a bad player

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:21 pm

Herakilla wrote:@ tankster: i believe QFT is quoted for truth

@ gimil: if you are in a position that you have to use this tactic often, then you are truly a bad player

there is a number of reasons you could be in this poisition, one example would be getting teamed up on jsut becasue your te highest rank.

soundout9 · Post by **soundout9** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:22 pm

No this has been argued many times b4 and the everyone has come to the same conclusion

NO NOT CHEATING

Herakilla · Post by **Herakilla** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:25 pm

gimil wrote:
Herakilla wrote:@ tankster: i believe QFT is quoted for truth

@ gimil: if you are in a position that you have to use this tactic often, then you are truly a bad player

there is a number of reasons you could be in this poisition, one example would be getting teamed up on jsut becasue your te highest rank.

but if you are on the higher end of players you should be able to deal with these anyway right? afterall if you are a higher rank, shoiuldnt you be expected to deal with times like these without reverting to cowardly tactics?

and besides getting teamed? only works 1v1 unless 2 a group of people do it all at once in agreement

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:38 pm

Herakilla wrote:
gimil wrote:
Herakilla wrote:@ tankster: i believe QFT is quoted for truth

@ gimil: if you are in a position that you have to use this tactic often, then you are truly a bad player

there is a number of reasons you could be in this poisition, one example would be getting teamed up on jsut becasue your te highest rank.

but if you are on the higher end of players you should be able to deal with these anyway right? afterall if you are a higher rank, shoiuldnt you be expected to deal with times like these without reverting to cowardly tactics?

and besides getting teamed? only works 1v1 unless 2 a group of people do it all at once in agreement

you cant always deal with it, a good player uses what he can to hid advantage within the rules, an honerable palyer would rather not use such tactics maybe, but a good palyer would.

Risktaker17 · Post by **Risktaker17** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:41 pm

Walking Shadow is talking about me. I was winning because I stalled to see where the 2 other people deployed so I could see where they woul go after my bonuses. Eventually, he offered a treaty to the other player and then I definitely decided to stall. I don't see why it is frowned upon. It isn't unfair.

Herakilla · Post by **Herakilla** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:44 pm

gimil wrote:you cant always deal with it, a good player uses what he can to hid advantage within the rules, an honerable palyer would rather not use such tactics maybe, but a good palyer would.

these "good players" as you call it would only play for points, and disregard everything else

to me, a good player is not about how many games he/she wins or how many points they have, but rather the quality of those games. i would rather play a hard game and lose than win hands down over some1 who just rolled crap the whole game. in my book a good player is liked for his/her style of playing the game and everyone is proud to say that they played him/her whether or not they lost.

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:45 pm

Its simple really if you dont like it, dont paly freestyle.

Herakilla · Post by **Herakilla** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:46 pm

gimil wrote:Its simple really if you dont like it, dont paly freestyle.

not arguing that

and i wanna say that all the people i see who play for points and nothing else find their way on my ignore list for just that reason. ive got a long list of people with a description "plays for points"

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:52 pm

Herakilla wrote:
gimil wrote:Its simple really if you dont like it, dont paly freestyle.

not arguing that

and i wanna say that all the people i see who play for points and nothing else find their way on my ignore list for just that reason. ive got a long list of people with a description "plays for points"

but why shouldnt people want to play for points? That is no valid reason to class anyone any less. Someone who plays for points is competitve, competition improves quality. Isnt what your looking for quality?

Herakilla · Post by **Herakilla** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:56 pm

gimil wrote:
Herakilla wrote:
gimil wrote:Its simple really if you dont like it, dont paly freestyle.

not arguing that

and i wanna say that all the people i see who play for points and nothing else find their way on my ignore list for just that reason. ive got a long list of people with a description "plays for points"

but why shouldnt people want to play for points? That is no valid reason to class anyone any less. Someone who plays for points is competitve, competition improves quality. Isnt what your looking for quality?

yes but not to the point of fanticism and players stop at nothing (enter the freestyle tactic) to get points and ruin the game for others. all the people on my list have admitted to some degree of stopping at nothing to get those points

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:08 pm

Herakilla wrote:
gimil wrote:
Herakilla wrote:
gimil wrote:Its simple really if you dont like it, dont paly freestyle.

not arguing that

and i wanna say that all the people i see who play for points and nothing else find their way on my ignore list for just that reason. ive got a long list of people with a description "plays for points"

but why shouldnt people want to play for points? That is no valid reason to class anyone any less. Someone who plays for points is competitve, competition improves quality. Isnt what your looking for quality?

yes but not to the point of fanticism and players stop at nothing (enter the freestyle tactic) to get points and ruin the game for others. all the people on my list have admitted to some degree of stopping at nothing to get those points

well if you meet this tactic, use it against them. THIS is how comptetion is beat, by beatin them at there own game, doing what they do only better. you might even find you enjoy yourself

Herakilla · Post by **Herakilla** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:12 pm

i would feel all dirty inside, and i wouldnt be proud of that game but thats me

Visaoni · Post by **Visaoni** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:29 pm

Herakilla wrote:i would feel all dirty inside, and i wouldnt be proud of that game but thats me

Before I say this, I don't mean it in a demeaning way. This is just something I read in an article once.

I'll admit it was mostly written about FPS games, but it holds true for other video games as well, and I think even here. There are two kinds of gamers (not cheaters). Those who play by 'honor' and rules in their own head, and those who do anything within the rules of the game (as it was written, as opposed to in their head) to win. The former don't do as well, and the later are the best at the game. And yes, I'm being a bit nicer on the first group than the article was. :roll:

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:34 pm

Visaoni wrote:
Herakilla wrote:i would feel all dirty inside, and i wouldnt be proud of that game but thats me

Before I say this, I don't mean it in a demeaning way. This is just something I read in an article once.

I'll admit it was mostly written about FPS games, but it holds true for other video games as well, and I think even here. There are two kinds of gamers (not cheaters). Those who play by 'honor' and rules in their own head, and those who do anything within the rules of the game (as it was written, as opposed to in their head) to win. The former don't do as well, and the later are the best at the game. And yes, I'm being a bit nicer on the first group than the article was.

i would very much like to read this article

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