So...If the dice are Truly Random

[NorthmanII]

Its not just dice, its spoils, Ever since my score hit over 2000, about 4 weeks ago, just about every game I play requires 5 spoils to cash EVERY TIME. Lets remember that there is only a 33% chance of drawing the dreaded wrong card and I get it that it should happen now and then, but when it starts happening in every game and just about every time it could happen over weeks on end something is up. Percentages over time don't lie and when you have a 66% chance of drawing the correct card you should be drawing. Trust me there isn't a sports handicapper out there that wouldn't take 66%. They would be making money hand over fist. CC please change whatever you have done because IT DOESN'T ADD UP - BTW TODAY I am 7 out of 8 in this exact scenario. 7 times I have drawn the 33% card out of 8 opportunities. No doubt in my mind my games are being altered. These odds are just about impossible without manipulation.

[JESKIER]

Yep, your so right, ive noticed a few more players are coming into cc since the lock down, i reckon it favours the newbies to get there money. Everyting has been changed, i really think this site should be investigated for fraud etc

[gaviebaby]

Yep, your so right, ive noticed a few more players are coming into cc since the lock down, i reckon it favours the newbies to get there money. Everyting has been changed, i really think this site should be investigated for fraud etc

Agree with the above... won quite a few games since returning, two by sheer luck in that the attacking player had unbelievably rubbish dice.

I've just returned to CC after a few years and the dice are terrible at key times. Started a new game yesterday attacked 15 v 3 and lost every roll. It reminds of why I stopped playing....

It needs to have a revamp of some kind as it's so frustrating and unrealistic. On the other side it's embarrassing when a player is attacking me and the dice gods are unrealistically in my favour. I know it's swings and roundabouts and it evens out in the long term, but it's a total game changer especially early in a game.

I play a well known board game with others in my household and it's very rare for a larger attacking force to lose a battle. Something somewhere is not working as it should.

[NorthmanII]

That's just it, I don't believe it evens out at all. I went 2 straight weeks with dice both attacking and defending in the red all the way through 25 rolls. There is no way that should happen and impossible to recover from. You throw in the BS spoil issue I seem to also have thrown at me by CC and its virtually impossible to win a game these days.

[YukFoo]

I think it is just a simple setting. Someone has a box clicked or unclicked somewhere.

The box that says "Fukky Dice" should be unchecked.

[JESKIER]

I couldnt agree more

I think it is just a simple setting. Someone has a box clicked or unclicked somewhere.

The box that says "Fukky Dice" should be unchecked.

[iAmCaffeine]

while the dice system is pretty bad, the reasoning people come up with like "paying members/freemiums/low ranks/high ranks/new players get better dice is hilarious

chances are if that's how you think then you're just a shit player

[mookiemcgee]

while the dice system is pretty bad, the reasoning people come up with like "paying members/freemiums/low ranks/high ranks/new players get better dice is hilarious

chances are if that's how you think then you're just a shit player

Yeah, it's kinda hard to even understand what people are complaining about exactly. If shown that they roll basically the same number of 1s,2s,3s,4s,5s and 6s then the thing becomes well someone programmed for me to lose only when the game is on the line. The stuff people come up with to rationalize what random means to them is just hilarious.

@NorthmanII - you said you don't believe it evens out. I think it's natural to not believe that until you actually see it, some people still won't believe after they see it... but I'm still going to take the time to try and help you see the dice aren't unfair. Since joining CC here are the amount of times you rolled each of the 6 possible outcomes of rolling a die.

1's - 469992
2's - 471668
3's - 471022
4's - 472070
5's - 471850
6's - 472546

So it clearly mostly even's out. You don't have to believe it, you can try to rationalize it or claim the site it up to something but the statistical anal-cyst says you dice are evenly ditributed (you get a few too many 6's and not enough 1's)

[jusplay4fun]

People remember the REALLY Bad dice at key moments and forget the good dice at other key moments. The win came from Great STRATEGY; dice were not too important there. The LOSSES are caused by TERRIBLE dice and even worse luck (on the drop, spoils, what the opponent decided to do, etc.)

Mookie's # show that to be the case.

while the dice system is pretty bad, the reasoning people come up with like "paying members/freemiums/low ranks/high ranks/new players get better dice is hilarious

chances are if that's how you think then you're just a shit player

Yeah, it's kinda hard to even understand what people are complaining about exactly. If shown that they roll basically the same number of 1s,2s,3s,4s,5s and 6s then the thing becomes well someone programmed for me to lose only when the game is on the line. The stuff people come up with to rationalize what random means to them is just hilarious.

@NorthmanII - you said you don't believe it evens out. I think it's natural to not believe that until you actually see it, some people still won't believe after they see it... but I'm still going to take the time to try and help you see the dice aren't unfair. Since joining CC here are the amount of times you rolled each of the 6 possible outcomes of rolling a die.

1's - 469992
2's - 471668
3's - 471022
4's - 472070
5's - 471850
6's - 472546

So it clearly mostly even's out. You don't have to believe it, you can try to rationalize it or claim the site it up to something but the statistical anal-cyst says you dice are evenly ditributed (you get a few too many 6's and not enough 1's)

[JESKIER]

I speak as do so many others through experience, same pattern time and time again..... Win gain arank followed by lose and lose a rank, your kidding yourself if you dont see it.

while the dice system is pretty bad, the reasoning people come up with like "paying members/freemiums/low ranks/high ranks/new players get better dice is hilarious

chances are if that's how you think then you're just a shit player

[iAmCaffeine]

i see more dice results in a day than you do in a week

[NorthmanII]

4 attacks this morning where I had 2 to 1 odds of 20 to 10 or more and lost all 4. My dice were absolutely pathetic during these attacks. Immediately after the attacks I looked at my dice stats and for 5 rolls it stated I was in the green and for 10 and 15 rolls I was flat. It also stated my opponent's defense was flat and all I saw was 6,5, 6,4 thrown at me.There is absolutely no fng way that was the case I'm sorry. This program is no longer believeable in my opinion. Its a farce

[administrat0r]

I'm new here and I certainly went through a patch last week and this week where I was just losing troops so badly. Regularly taking 5,6 or 7 troops to take 1 opponents troop. But I also seem to have runs where I will take out 5,6 or 7 and not lose 1. A lot of people say "it evens out" and I guess this is true, but tbh I would rather it not be so absolutely jekyll and hyde: either unbelievably good or unbelievably bad. Just believable would be great. But maybe I don't notice when this is happening... All I can say is that at times it is incredibly frustrating.

[JESKIER]

And that means??????

i see more dice results in a day than you do in a week

[JESKIER]

Thats how it is, win then lose, win then lose, the program is flawed and needs putting right, then and only then can skill come into play. Its just a program that we are going through, yes it evens out but why? they just dont want to spend anything on this site to make it better and real, thats why this game is in decline, just the same old names popping up time and time again, i play because im at work, basically getting paid to play to fill in the quiet times before i get a shout.

But there are so many unintelligent and blind playerts to see this !! I pitty them.

I'm new here and I certainly went through a patch last week and this week where I was just losing troops so badly. Regularly taking 5,6 or 7 troops to take 1 opponents troop. But I also seem to have runs where I will take out 5,6 or 7 and not lose 1. A lot of people say "it evens out" and I guess this is true, but tbh I would rather it not be so absolutely jekyll and hyde: either unbelievably good or unbelievably bad. Just believable would be great. But maybe I don't notice when this is happening... All I can say is that at times it is incredibly frustrating.

[iAmCaffeine]

And that means??????

i see more dice results in a day than you do in a week

do i legit need to explain?

[JESKIER]

I fail to see the relevance to this topic, so, basically........ Yes explain

And that means??????

i see more dice results in a day than you do in a week

do i legit need to explain?

[iAmCaffeine]

i see a f*ck tonne more dice results than you

[jusplay4fun]

If you read the Forums, and look at many threads, you will see that the top complaints are:

1) stooopid players and those who post stooopid things;

2) Bad Luck and especially Bad Dice that is the major part of Bad Luck.

Without Dice, this becomes like Chess, where the chances to beat a player ranked significantly higher diminishes significantly.

Maybe a better dice program will help, but accept the fact that dice are dice and their randomness is part of the game. And Random means that you can lose, even with superior odds and superior number of troops.

JP4Fun

[Silly Knig-it]

The win came from Great STRATEGY; dice were not too important there. The LOSSES are caused by TERRIBLE dice and even worse luck (on the drop, spoils, what the opponent decided to do, etc.)

There now I have your quote down to just the part I want to remember so I can go on complaining about the dice. And know that I am justified. I learned how to do that watching politics. Because "those" people do it all the time.

And I don't want any crap about this because if you don't agree with me then you are.......

[JESKIER]

Oh....... I have a life, never mind

i see a f*ck tonne more dice results than you

[YukFoo]

The FACT that we literally just had a huge temporary increase in our numbers, and most of those people complaining about shit dice, and then we lost them all, says something! What did we gain like 10,000 users, and then quickly lost ALL OF them because of the shit dice? 10,000 lost users is rather significant.

If we had normally behaving dice, I would assume we would have retained 40-60% of those 10,000 users. llama only scares away like 10% of Conquer Club's new users, not 100%. When the number of lost users is near 100%, the only explanation is shit dice.

But when you lose ALL OF THEM, and they were all whining about the shitty dice, maybe it is time to listen.

There are no patterns in randomness. Conquer Club dice ONLY behave in a patterned manner!!!!!

[mookiemcgee]

Why is it always people ranked sergant or lower that seem to complain the most about dice?

a) they only remember their bad dice runs, and forget about the good ones. It's a mental trick, in reality they have balanced outcomes.
b) they are playing against people that make better strategic decisions than they do
c) Grand conspiracy against newer/lower ranked players, because the higher ranked players secretly suck and need to cheat the entire system in order to maintain their supremacy.

Everyone can decide for themselves I suppose...

[Evil Semp]

Why is it always people ranked sergant or lower that seem to complain the most about dice?

a) they only remember their bad dice runs, get aboand forut the good ones. It's a mental trick, in reality they have balanced outcomes.
b) they are playing against people that make better strategic decisions than they do
c) Grand conspiracy against newer/lower ranked players, because the higher ranked players secretly suck and need to cheat the entire system in order to maintain their supremacy.

Everyone can decide for themselves I suppose...

And I think that not being able to see you defensive dice hurts the image of the dice being fair.

[Shannon Apple]

Gosh I miss my premium mod dice. =(