Conquer Club

People vote pocket book issues. Job, mortgage, keeping the lights on and food on the table.

HitRed wrote:People vote pocket book issues. Job, mortgage, keeping the lights on and food on the table.

Lol, and how's that going for them

Just a quick visual update for anyone trying to keep up

mookiemcgee wrote:Just a quick visual update for anyone trying to keep up

Thanks for this important summary and update, Mookie, for those confused by all the moving pieces.

Trump's real big beautiful Bill

jusplay4fun wrote:ConfedSS has a point, something I made a while back: If the Dems had anything on Trump, why was such evidence NOT RELEASED

A) in the 2024 election campaign or

B) during the time Biden had access to the Epstein files via the FBI and DOJ?

Please note:

no criminal wrongdoing has ever been established against Trump in connection with Epstein's crimes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations ... ey_Epstein

and

Executive Summary

The evidence assembled in the provided analyses shows no verified instance of a Jeffrey Epstein victim formally accusing Donald Trump of participating in or committing sexual abuse; victims’ statements and memoirs referenced do not directly allege Trump’s involvement (...)

6. Bottom line for readers weighing the claim

Based on the assembled analyses, the correct, evidence‑based conclusion is clear: Victims of Jeffrey Epstein have not, in the provided reporting and memoir excerpts, accused Donald Trump of involvement in Epstein’s abuse. There is documented association and public controversy, and there are continuing questions about the thoroughness of investigations that keep the topic politically charged and newsworthy; but association and political debate do not equal victim accusations or proven participation [1] [4]

https://factually.co/fact-checks/justic ... use-ef6f8f

BOTTOM LINE for me: without credible evidence to the contrary, there is NO THERE there. So put up or shut up.

have you ever considered that "the dems" didn't release anything on this when they could have is because these files don't discriminate between republican & democrat/right vs left/however you choose to look at it - there are going to be guilty parties on both sides of the aisle, in board rooms & on stage and screen. basically, whoever had the $$$ for some underage strange...

Llama with actual insight. Someone turn him into the moderator of logic!

riskllama wrote:

jusplay4fun wrote:ConfedSS has a point, something I made a while back: If the Dems had anything on Trump, why was such evidence NOT RELEASED

A) in the 2024 election campaign or

B) during the time Biden had access to the Epstein files via the FBI and DOJ?

Please note:

no criminal wrongdoing has ever been established against Trump in connection with Epstein's crimes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations ... ey_Epstein

and

Executive Summary

The evidence assembled in the provided analyses shows no verified instance of a Jeffrey Epstein victim formally accusing Donald Trump of participating in or committing sexual abuse; victims’ statements and memoirs referenced do not directly allege Trump’s involvement (...)

6. Bottom line for readers weighing the claim

Based on the assembled analyses, the correct, evidence‑based conclusion is clear: Victims of Jeffrey Epstein have not, in the provided reporting and memoir excerpts, accused Donald Trump of involvement in Epstein’s abuse. There is documented association and public controversy, and there are continuing questions about the thoroughness of investigations that keep the topic politically charged and newsworthy; but association and political debate do not equal victim accusations or proven participation [1] [4]

https://factually.co/fact-checks/justic ... use-ef6f8f

BOTTOM LINE for me: without credible evidence to the contrary, there is NO THERE there. So put up or shut up.

have you ever considered that "the dems" didn't release anything on this when they could have is because these files don't discriminate between republican & democrat/right vs left/however you choose to look at it - there are going to be guilty parties on both sides of the aisle, in board rooms & on stage and screen. basically, whoever had the $$$ for some underage strange...

Yes, I have. I think (see my comments from July 16, 2025 in this thread) I said there is LOTS TO HURT OTHER DEMS, like The Big (not so beautiful) Bill. Nothing new by the llama. So much insights by llama; he is about 5 months late. Too bad.

Well, cite it then. You sure as shit haven't been making this case now.

DirtyDishSoap wrote:Well, cite it then. You sure as shit haven't been making this case now.

Jusplay only accepts evidence of crimes presented at criminal trials when it comes to republicans, otherwise there is no there, there.... unless it's about Donald Trump and then he also disregards his rape conviction in a court of law as a 'witch hunt'.

I'm sure he would take any claim that Bill is a pedo at face value though.

DirtyDishSoap wrote:Well, cite it then. You sure as shit haven't been making this case now.

I did. Since you challenge me, let me give you the quote and link, BOTH.

As usual, DDS does not know what he is talking about when it comes to me:

Re: Epstein Client List
Postby jusplay4fun on Wed Jul 16, 2025 6:36 pm

I had read YEARS ago that Bill Clinton's name was on a passenger list to fly to "Lolita Island" or "Epstein Island." NO Surprise, since he had been accused of sexual infidelity while still married to Hillary.

I read too, in the past day or so, that Republicans fear any connection with Trump and Epstein, mostly discredited or indications of a friendship at some level YEARS Ago. Democrats fear that Bill Clinton's connections with Epstein will hurt them.

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 8&t=242582

Interesting: this is on the opening page of this very thread; it seems DDS has a short memory and ignores the facts.

I have read several reports of the dealing of Epstein. I have yet to find ONE victim accuse Trump of any wrong doing or crime or assault or even inappropriate behavior. I will wait for actual proof and not innuendo and rumors and unsubstantiated accusations.

Barring such evidence, those who are looking for a crime by Trump in regards to his association with Epstein, are, for the most part, suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Congrats, I guess, that you actually had some modicum of insight, yet ignore the increasing amount of evidence that Trump and Epstein were closely tied. If he even knew about the sex trafficking, that alone should probably tell you enough of the guys character. This doesn't excuse anyone else associated with either side... but Jesus, until they actually release those files, and they should, probably refrain making any more goofy comments.

Course you'll respond though. That's what you do. 2dimes pegged you perfectly, lol.

Thanks for a giving me a modicum of credit. Since you gave me permission, DDS, I will now post.

Of course WE ALREADY KNEW that Trump and Epstein had social connections a while back; they were both Rich men in NYC. That is NOT news and that does not make Trump a crimimal. And the so-called Trump "rape conviction" was in a civil trial and not a criminal case. That is a big difference. I think I already addressed that issue in an ealier post.**

We do not elect saints, and most politicians these days (Trump, Hillary, Kamala, Biden, Matt Gaetz, Nancy Pelosi, MTG, Lauren Boebert, and many more) are far from being a saint. I think most people that we consider saints stay OUT of Politics; it is too "dirty" and full of unethical behavior and people. I said before that Politics is a "dirty" game.

I posted a while back that there was little difference in the matter of personal ethics between Trump and Hillary in my mind in 2016. I see many faults in Trump; I know he has LOTS of personal and ethics issues. I do not support all that Trump stands for, especially on Environmental issues.

And of course, DDS makes ambiguous statements. NO News there, either.

** more info, for those who want to know:

Donald Trump has not been criminally convicted of sexual assault; he was found civilly liable for sexual abuse and defamation in the E. Jean Carroll case, resulting in monetary judgments that have been appealed and partially affirmed on appeal. The distinction between a civil liability finding and a criminal conviction is central: the Carroll verdict required a preponderance of the evidence and produced financial damages, whereas no jury or court has imposed a criminal sentence for sexual assault against Trump.

https://factually.co/fact-checks/justic ... als-331675

Dukasaur wrote:

jusplay4fun wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:

Humor. Good One, Duk.

Unfortunately for you and others with TDS, this answers NOTHING I posted. There was NO REFUTATION, getting near the level (of worthless videos) of our missing parrot with TDS.

There's no point debating this with you. You say there's nothing there. You can't prove a negative, so that's as far as you can go.

Any reasonable person would conclude that there has to be SOMEthing there, or the Turmp administrations wouldn't be so adamant about not showing the evidence. If there's nothing to hide, why hide it?

Of course one cannot prove a negative. That is why I keep asking for credible evidence, that NO ONE here or in Politics or in the media, has yet to offer.

And of course there is LOTS there, but there NO credible evidence that I have seen or read that PROVES that Trump engaged in criminal or illegal activity here in this Epstein matter. Yes, one can TRY TO CONNECT the dots, but the picture is not complete, there is NO credible evidence, and instead some offer only RUMOR, speculation, innuendo, and theories.

This reminds me of the JFK assassination. There was LOTS of smoke and there was NO FIRE. JFK was killed and there is NO credible evidence of a mass conspiracy. There are many who love conspiracy theories and those who suffer from TDS support what appears at this time to be a conspiracy theory. As more evidence is released (now some 23,000 MORE pages of evidence) there is still no THERE There, no credible evidence. ALL of a sudden that issue, seems to me, to be a dead issue, literally and figuratively.

At least this keeps a few folks discussing in this Forum. Take Trump away and this Forum is basically barely alive. We need Saxi back to post a few more interesting things.

Who cares man? What Trump did or did not do in regards to get laid 20 years ago? Clinton got laid lots of times but he was a democrat so no problem. But Trump?? Oh boy.. yeah let's burn the witch because that's the best argument we can come up with


Ofcourse Epstein wanted Trump to get laid and get it on video so he could blackmail him. But what? Not even a picture? Not even one???? And people think this is important?


Who the f*** cares man? Grow tomato plants instead of wasting your precious time here on such silly matters. You'll love the tomatoes you get but there is nothing to love about such a silly waste of time what Trump did or did not do so many years ago getting laid or not..

jusplay4fun wrote: Mon Nov 17, 2025 8:19 am

Dukasaur wrote:

jusplay4fun wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:

Humor. Good One, Duk.

Unfortunately for you and others with TDS, this answers NOTHING I posted. There was NO REFUTATION, getting near the level (of worthless videos) of our missing parrot with TDS.

There's no point debating this with you. You say there's nothing there. You can't prove a negative, so that's as far as you can go.

Any reasonable person would conclude that there has to be SOMEthing there, or the Turmp administrations wouldn't be so adamant about not showing the evidence. If there's nothing to hide, why hide it?

Of course one cannot prove a negative. That is why I keep asking for credible evidence, that NO ONE here or in Politics or in the media, has yet to offer.

And of course there is LOTS there, but there NO credible evidence that I have seen or read that PROVES that Trump engaged in criminal or illegal activity here in this Epstein matter. Yes, one can TRY TO CONNECT the dots, but the picture is not complete, there is NO credible evidence, and instead some offer only RUMOR, speculation, innuendo, and theories.

This reminds me of the JFK assassination. There was LOTS of smoke and there was NO FIRE. JFK was killed and there is NO credible evidence of a mass conspiracy. There are many who love conspiracy theories and those who suffer from TDS support what appears at this time to be a conspiracy theory. As more evidence is released (now some 23,000 MORE pages of evidence) there is still no THERE There, no credible evidence. ALL of a sudden that issue, seems to me, to be a dead issue, literally and figuratively.

I think the track of the bullets suggests very strongly that more than one person was involved in the JFK assassination, unless a bullet was able to change direction 3 times. Interviews with people who were there suggest that the evidence was being controlled.

The JFK assassination is a very big deal. Putting Trump and his f*ck or no f*ck 20 years ago! on the same level is so condescending towards the legendary status JFK has.

SoN!c wrote: Mon Nov 17, 2025 5:04 pm The JFK assassination is a very big deal. Putting Trump and his f*ck or no f*ck 20 years ago! on the same level is so condescending towards the legendary status JFK has.

You misconstrued the point I was making, Sonic. The point was about conspiracy theories and NOT about equating JFK with Trump.

BTW: I was one of many young people who had JFK on tall pedestal (as someone who idolized by me and many others, to CLARIFY) as a child, encouraged, in part, by the Camelot rendering of his legacy by his widow, Jackie, and his aides, family, and friends.

It was not towards you i posted that JP.

jusplay4fun wrote: Mon Nov 17, 2025 8:19 am And of course there is LOTS there, but there NO credible evidence that I have seen or read that PROVES that Trump engaged in criminal or illegal activity here in this Epstein matter. Yes, one can TRY TO CONNECT the dots, but the picture is not complete, there is NO credible evidence, and instead some offer only RUMOR, speculation, innuendo, and theories.

This reminds me of the JFK assassination. There was LOTS of smoke and there was NO FIRE. JFK was killed and there is NO credible evidence of a mass conspiracy. There are many who love conspiracy theories and those who suffer from TDS support what appears at this time to be a conspiracy theory. As more evidence is released (now some 23,000 MORE pages of evidence) there is still no THERE There, no credible evidence. ALL of a sudden that issue, seems to me, to be a dead issue, literally and figuratively.

People with wealth and power are really good at hiding the bodies.

Of course if your standard is "Absolute proof", it will never be found. Nobody will ever prove that Carlos Marcello organized the JFK assassination. Everyone involved is dead now, and the ones that could have provided evidence died really, really quickly after the event. Proof positive is literally impossible now, but any reasonable person who looks at the dots will inevitably connect them and see that they lead to Marcello.

Similarly nobody will ever prove that Trump was playing in Epstein's stable, but any reasonable person objectively looking at the evidence will conclude that it's overwhelmingly likely that he did.

SoN!c wrote: Mon Nov 17, 2025 5:37 pm It was not towards you i posted that JP.

SoN!c wrote: Mon Nov 17, 2025 2:53 pm Who cares man? What Trump did or did not do in regards to get laid 20 years ago? Clinton got laid lots of times but he was a democrat so no problem. But Trump?? Oh boy.. yeah let's burn the witch because that's the best argument we can come up with

Who the f*** cares man? Grow tomato plants instead of wasting your precious time here on such silly matters. You'll love the tomatoes you get but there is nothing to love about such a silly waste of time what Trump did or did not do so many years ago getting laid or not..

Since you didn't quote anyone, it's hard to say who you were answering, but I'll assume it was me.

In all honesty, I don't care who Trump was fucking. The only point is his hypocrisy. The jesusfreaks fall down at his feet and treat him like the Second Coming of Christ. It's important to show them how utterly un-Christlike he is.

And yes, I'm sure Billy-boy dipped his crooked wick in the island wax also. But Bill is now history, while Trump is very much Current Affairs.

No it was not you Duk. And im sure that that Louisiana Tomato Salesman Carlos loved his tomato plants.. Did he organised the hit on JFK? You are certain like you are certain about Trump because you wanna believe that. I dunno who killed or organised the hit on JFK.

In regards to Epstein, Trump was referred to as the 'dog that didn't bark' ...

Left winged media made it some "conspiracy theory" that that dog is based on The Adventure of Silver Blaze (1892) by Arthur Conan Doyle.

"The dog that hasn't barked" is thus a phrase from Sherlock Holmes meant to show that the dog knew the culprit, and thus didn't alarm anyone by barking.

In this instance, Trump is the dog by this conspiracy theory.

I think what Epstein really ment by it was that "the dog" he referred too was Trumps little banana friend down under in his pants and it didn't bite the bait (the young sexy woman).

In other words he did not put his banana in those woman.

I'll agree it's a possibility.

-------- BEST Epstein Joke ...Last night on Gutfeld......
--------------U.S. House Rep... From The U.S. Virgin Islands... Congressman Stacey Plaskett... Defends Texting with The now dead Sex Offender... Epstein..... Claiming she thought he was a different Epstein... Gutfeld shows a picture of EPSTEIN from, The T.V. Show... WELCOME BACK KOTTER... ........ ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... ...

Trump agrees to release of Epstein files:

On Sunday, GOP House Speaker Mike Johnson acknowledged that there would be “lots of votes” in favor of the bill on his side of the aisle. Hours later, President Trump — who had been publicly and privately pressuring Republican lawmakers to vote no — suddenly reversed course, writing on his Truth Social network that “House Republicans should vote to release the Epstein files, because we have nothing to hide.”

“I DON’T CARE!” Trump added. “All I do care about is that Republicans get BACK ON POINT.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/article/trum ... p_catchall