Ratings [merged threads]

[max is gr8]

in a recent game I got a 1 for attitude and I was wondering what do you class as a bad attitude? I did nothing that I would mark down for but it made me think what do other people look for?

[PLAYER57832]

Give the game number and folks can comment specifically.

I won't rate someone down for just saying "gl" and "gg". Chat does take time and it is hard to be "chatty' all the time.

No one likes to be told how to play or a littany of complaints. If someone complains, I might respond to try and lighten things up, maybe give a little advice to someone who is playing the first time. (almost always if they ask). When things really are bad (I mean, the drop where the other guy starts with 30 armies, etc.) I like to see humor and good grace. If I get the good drop, I will usually try to lighten the mood by saying something like "Well, I can see this won't be one of your favorite games". or "luck always turns" etc.

I really don't like cursing. I will tolerate a very little ... more from folks obviously not English speakers (many words are not "bad" in one language, but are in another) when its obviously not ill-intended.

But, I recognize this is a "free choice" issue. I used to give anyone cursing a lot a nuetral, just saying "hey for those who care, this one curses a lot" ... and put them on my ignore list. Now, I probably would just put on my ignore list and forget the ratings, since they are so non-specific and this is such a "free choice" issue.

Overall, if you pretend that you are in the room with your grandmother, little brother/sister, someone you respect ... that is probably the behavior most folks expect, at least at first, until you "get to know them" better.

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

it quite easy actually. Everyone starts with 5's. everytime a player pisses me off about something I begin to ding them.

missed turn= 2 dings
improper game chat= ding
multi/cheaters= 4 dings
bad deployment= ding


you get the idea.

[ParadiceCity9]

Thank you Mister Rocket.

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

Thank you Mister Rocket.

dont ever post in my thread again

[JoshyBoy]

Thank you Mister Rocket.

dont ever post in my thread again

Ooooooooooooo... touchy...

[ParadiceCity9]

Thank you Mister Rocket.

dont ever post in my thread again

Yes sir Mister Rocket.

[KLOBBER]

The new rating system is superior to the old, lame feedback system, which was difficult all around and chock full of problems.

That's why they changed it.

[icedagger]

Says the guy who tries to use ratings to blackmail people and leaves 5 star attendance ratings for deadbeats..

[KLOBBER]

When you say, "blackmail," what exactly do you mean by that?

I'm pretty sure that you misunderstand the actual meaning of that word. My PM to you was a kind and generous offer of peace regarding the ratings, not a "blackmail" attempt. I think that http://www.dictionary.com may be helpful to you in your future attempts at communication.

My offer to you still stands, by the way. As soon as you withdraw yours, I will withdraw mine. Now I've stated this publicly, and anyone who reads this thread can check my honesty, should you decide to agree to my generous offer.

I have given all 5's consistently to all members, except you, to whom I gave all 1's. Yes, you are the only one out of all 47 (forty-seven) members whom I have rated so far that warranted all 1's.

You are a special case.

Honestly, I would rather have a record of giving all 5's, all the time (that's my personal choice for ratings -- I would prefer all my dealings with everyone on this site to be mutually "excellent," in every category), and I would like to withdraw, but you refused my kind offer for mutual withdrawal.

That's your choice, but my generous offer still stands. What more can I do?

As my own ratings are constantly on the increase, thanks to the kind efforts of other members who think in the same positive and agreeable way that I do, your unfair rating of me becomes less and less important. Also, the more other members I rate with all 5's, the worse your all 1's rating appears, in comparison.

Therefore, if I were you, I would take me up on my generous offer soon.

[derivative133]

How could I have lost on "FAIR PLAY"??? Rated by some dipstick that won the game with luck, and because no-one would attack him??

[derivative133]

This system is too random. It should be good or bad. I got a point taken off for fair play, but I do not know why, there is noplace to say why. The other person in the end game got given all 5s, but he did nothing to stop the winner. Just sat in oz, waiting to die while the winner took over the entire board.

So I guess attacking someone = poor play. I think I'll delete all my ratings given, they do not have any meaning. Then I'll sit in a corner and pout.

[PLAYER57832]

why would anyone significant really care what a low ranker thinks? If someone looks they can see who left the rating. A rating left by a highly ranked player will surely be more relevant than one left by a cook.

No, I care more about whether the person is a jerk ... not their rank.

I would far rather play a cook (who, by the way might not be a bad player, just might have tried new games and/or had a long streak of bad luck) than the "best" player who is an absolute jerk. I am here to have FUN. Ranking is just an "add on".

How could I have lost on "FAIR PLAY"??? Rated by some dipstick that won the game with luck, and because no-one would attack him??

Just a guess, but were you telling everyone else whom they "should" attack? Or were you perhaps using words like "dipstick" to describe players?

Play how you like, but if you want an EXCELLENT, you need to have EXCELLENT manners. Most people don't consider name - calling and so forth in that category.

[derivative133]

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How could I have lost on "FAIR PLAY"??? Rated by some dipstick that won the game with luck, and because no-one would attack him??

Just a guess, but were you telling everyone else whom they "should" attack? Or were you perhaps using words like "dipstick" to describe players?

Play how you like, but if you want an EXCELLENT, you need to have EXCELLENT manners. Most people don't consider name - calling and so forth in that category.[/quote]

You are right, I did not participate in game chat, and none was directed at me. I did not tell anyone how to play, nor critisize how anyone played. Just played my game while one individual gradually took the whole map, unapposed by anyone but myself. It sounds like I am whining, but I am not whining about how the game progressed, that is what it is, I just do not like the way he took a fair play point for who knows what reason.

[PLAYER57832]

If that is the case, then you just have to chaulk it up to "this will not matter in time". As noted above, any subjective system will be just that ... subjective.

My issue is that with this system, we have no way to know WHY, as you pointed out. Was this guy just in a bad mood? Or did he want more chat or ??????

It could well be there was no reason in this case, but the ratings give no clue.

I already made a suggestion thread, with a poll, but not too many folks responded. Initially, the overwhelming majority actually preferred the new system. Then I lost those votes by rewording the poll. (unintentional) I think many folks care, but not enough to do anything about it. Others prefer the "devil they know" to the "one they don't know".

[djt5483]

ive had bad players leave me bad ratings just cuz they lost to me

[IdiAmin]

The new ratings are actually nothing but a time saving device for the moderators of this site. I don't know about you guys, but I enjoyed reading the comments on the old system. And it was pretty easy to pick out the negs that were given by idiots. This did in fact help me to put those "idiots" on my own ignore list.

In some threads, I've seen moderators stating that the ratings will even out in time. Hmm.. There is no way this will even out around 3. Just like the US grade system, where everything but A is considered failure, these rating seem to land on a 5.0 too. And if everyone is getting the best grades, they instantly become worthless.

These thoughts have probably been said earlier somewhere in a thread, but I say we should fight to get the old system back. Just because they invested a some time in this new system doesn't automatically make it a good idea.

[PLAYER57832]

I personally agree that the old system was better. However, Lack and the mods said it was just taking too much time.

Also, (and this is just my personal opinion), I suspect that ANY moderation at all compounds the problem because, no matter how folks try, they are human and subjective. Someone who complained a lot could have even perfectly reasonable chat deleted ... while others, because of how they worded their complaints and so forth... did not.

They are not going back, at least not with any moderation of the feedback. AND they will not make a decision right away, either. So, if you want something different, you have to find a new idea.

I tried posting several in the Suggs and Bugs (that is, one thread, multiple ideas) and a poll. Jiminski has posted an idea. I am not sure any of this will change anything, but it is a stab.

OH, and you are probably aware, but the whole thing was discussed before ... but a lot of folks did not know or, might have participated early on and then missed the last rounds of discussions. This means a lot of voices were not heard, but the one who really matters is Lack.

[millertime13]

ive had bad players leave me bad ratings just cuz they lost to me

same here...I think this will be a frequent occurrence under this new rating system.

[icedagger]

When you say, "blackmail," what exactly do you mean by that?

I'm pretty sure that you misunderstand the actual meaning of that word. My PM to you was a kind and generous offer of peace regarding the ratings, not a "blackmail" attempt. I think that http://www.dictionary.com may be helpful to you in your future attempts at communication.

My offer to you still stands, by the way. As soon as you withdraw yours, I will withdraw mine. Now I've stated this publicly, and anyone who reads this thread can check my honesty, should you decide to agree to my generous offer.

I have given all 5's consistently to all members, except you, to whom I gave all 1's. Yes, you are the only one out of all 47 (forty-seven) members whom I have rated so far that warranted all 1's.

You are a special case.

Honestly, I would rather have a record of giving all 5's, all the time (that's my personal choice for ratings -- I would prefer all my dealings with everyone on this site to be mutually "excellent," in every category), and I would like to withdraw, but you refused my kind offer for mutual withdrawal.

That's your choice, but my generous offer still stands. What more can I do?

As my own ratings are constantly on the increase, thanks to the kind efforts of other members who think in the same positive and agreeable way that I do, your unfair rating of me becomes less and less important. Also, the more other members I rate with all 5's, the worse your all 1's rating appears, in comparison.

Therefore, if I were you, I would take me up on my generous offer soon.

It's a shame you didn't look up "attendance" while you were there, you ridiculous twat. You can write as much bullshit as you like, but it's clear you're abusing the ratings system

[KLOBBER]

It's a shame you didn't look up "attendance" while you were there, you ridiculous twat. You can write as much bullshit as you like, but it's clear you're abusing the ratings system

I'm sorry to see how angry you are. I apologize, and I won't bring it up publicly again.

[jiminski]

It's a shame you didn't look up "attendance" while you were there, you ridiculous twat. You can write as much bullshit as you like, but it's clear you're abusing the ratings system

I'm sorry to see how angry you are. I apologize, and I won't bring it up publicly again.

how are those Noobes Doing who you rob of their points Klobby?
have you ever played a game where a player did not deadbeat to give you your points?

i think this is why you like the new system.. you threaten the new recruits, who roll over; impressed by your rank as they have no idea how you achieved it!
And you got rid of your negatives.. it was a clean slate for you to 'cheat' with!

correct me if i am wrong.

[KLOBBER]

Some statements are so blatantly wrong that they require no direct effort at correction.

I decline.

[jiminski]

Some statements are so blatantly wrong that they require no direct effort at correction.

I decline.

heheh how about:

you are a bad spirited cheat and all my comments are correct?

you like the new system as you get negs and bad comments from people who you rip off!

if people can see the way you operate it is more difficult for you to steel points.

you are exactly the reason we need a comment system.

[KLOBBER]

All incorrect, and it will never happen.