INTO THE DEEP (COMPLETE - Mafia Win !!)

[BuJaber]

Blacky if you're town vote sirius.

If you're not town I'd appreciate you ending the game faster

[BuJaber]

Did chap ever ask the mod if a traitor would show up as town for him? (I assume they would show up as town anyway just asking if he asked the mod).

[Skoffin]

Also you still haven't claimed fully when you messed me up really badly night 3. So you're already kind of suspicious for that plus there's chap's claim.

Like why the hell did I get no result AND I got bitten and poisoned when I targetted you?

I'm a frog fish mate. I do not know why you got poisoned nor bitten as it was not me, I did not get anything that night. I also can't poison anyone. All my abilities were basically one shots that were sorta self-preserving but fucked up other players in exchange.

But I am bad at math. It occurs to me that the mafia can't come forward to strike a deal with me because two mafia plus me is only 3 votes, and if everyone else is town then yolo. Best I can offer is to abstain from voting to day and hope the mafia allow me to live tonight in exchange.

[Skoffin]

If you really want to suggest I am scum with blacky, this is what you are proposing -

- I claimed I randomised all actions yesterday, something that ALL players can confirm to be true.
- I was also muted yesterday, which leads to
- for me to be scum with blacky, would suggest that we hatched a plan prior to that for
1. me to fake being muted for no reason, and possibly be lynched before I had time to legitimately appear 'unmuted'
2. blacky to claim that I was the pufferfish for no reason and pretend he had no idea all actions were randomised, which got scrutiny thrown his way

lol ok

[Razorvich]

[Skoffin]

Looks like i am not the only one bad at maths

[Razorvich]

Looks like i am not the only one bad at maths

MOD NOTE: ?

[Skoffin]

Your vote count still says 10 alive with 6 to lynch.

[Razorvich]

Your vote count still says 10 alive with 6 to lynch.

FFS... please forgive that drunken mistake

[Ragian]

Oh my word, Skitter (your new name). My investigation thingie was my bonus ability. Not an ability that I've been using throughout the game.

@BuJ, help me here. How do I know-know that you're town. Believe me, I think Sirius is scum, too, but there's a nagging feeling in the pit of my guts that say that this might be scum getting their final kill. How does your interactions with dead townies prove your alignment? Are you not asking me to take it on faith?

Also, if you want to soothe my nerves, what have you done that's considered pro town play besides this here at the end?

[BuJaber]

Ragian Pika explains it in the quotes.
I'l try to simplify.
Aage was a grave robber (aka universal backup). When pershy died aage inherited his role. He targetted me night 2, so aage knew the exact PM I received from the mod that night. He therefore knew I am town because why would scum have a role that tells you if your target is scum or town.

Pika, having successfully eaten his favorite food last night unlocked a bonus ability that he claims gave him the same power as aage that night. He targetted aage with it, so he received the PM aage received, which since aage received mine it means that pika also saw mine.

Both flipped town so we have no reason to think they are lying.

As for my play well that's a subjective thing isn't it? Look at my play around each of the wagons. Look at what kind of reasoning I was accepting and what kind I was questioning. Look at my arguments for disliking the jfm wagon on day and my reasoning for joining it later when he was lynched. Look at how I was suspiciois of TX earlier but then suddenly accepted he is tellijg the truth after night 4, the night I ended up targetted him due to the global misdirect and learnt that he is town.
Look at how I initially trusted you because you knew TX is healer but then realized that it does not necessarily prove you're telling the truth.

I dunno what more you want. How can I trust you when you are suspiciois of a practically confirmed town player? How can I ttrust you when you didn't even vote yesterday. You just kept saying 1 of blacky/chap is scum and was mostly concerned with defending yourself and ensuring that we lynch the other today if one pf them flips town, instead of pushing one of them yourself.

Like you're only getting frustrated but your actions and words deserve scrutiny and I think you know this.

And like I'm not even being unfair to you and jumping to conclusions. I am trying to go with the most logical conclusions, but also take the mlst guaranteed path to victory.



[spoiler=Quotes by Pika explaining]

Okay, it has become abundantly clear that I will not get the entire post finished tonight. I will post the first of either two or three parts for now, which contains only things people have explicitly claimed with some observations. Some (for example Ragian) have claimed things that appear likely fit a category on this post but for which I cannot be sure (in Ragian's case "Passive Poisoner", presumably the name of a Night Action Role) and in those cases I have not included said information, clarification would be appreciated. I'll continue after I've slept with the other part(s), for which I have already selected about 30 posts I wish to highlight or comment on and have a rough idea of what I wish to say.

Self-Claims:

Player—Role(Night Action Role)—Action—Bonus Action—Species—Favourite Food—Salinity
(Confirmed/Claimed/Unknown)

Example—Town Runner(Unknown)—Immune to "night attacks"—Unknown—Unknown—Octopus/Squid/Bony Fish—Saltwater

— DEAD —
pershy—Town Wiretapper(Detective)—Receive result of another's action—Unknown—Leech—Anything Bloody—Unknown
jfm10—Town Assassin(Vigilante)—Poison target—Unknown—Angelfish—Unknown [Sponge was mentioned, but specifically in relation to a different species of Angelfish]—Freshwater
dakky21—Town Hermit(Ambusher)—Immune to targeting OR learn the species of any visitor(s)—Unknown—Stingray [Technically unconfirmed, visually implied]—Unknown—Unknown
aage—Town Necromancer(Grave Robber)—Unknown—Unknown—Blue Manna Crab—Unknown—Unknown
Metsfanmax—Town Kidnapper(Silencer)—Unknown—Unknown—Electric Eel—Unknown—Unknown

— ALIVE —
blacky365—Unknown(Unknown)—Unknown—Unknown—Unknown—Unknown—Unknown
Tobikera—Unknown(Unknown)—Misdirect target's action—Misdirect three targets—Squid—Any Colourful Fish—Saltwater
Darin44/strike wolf—Town Doctor(Healer)—Prevent "kill actions" on target (includes poisoning), heal poison on target—Unknown—Axolotl—Unknown—Unknown
ZaBeast—Town Drug Addict(Unknown)—Redirect ("bump") target—Unknown—Bottlenose Dolphin—Pufferfish—Unknown
Skoffin—Unknown(Unknown)—Immune to attacks, discover attacker's species, bite attacker—Unknown—Unknown—Unknown—Unknown
Pikanchion—Unknown(Unknown)—Unknown—Use the ability of the first killed Town player—Unknown—Unknown—Unspecified
BuJaber—Unknown(Unknown)—Unknown—Unknown—Unknown—Unknown—Unknown
chapcrap—Town Transporter(Unknown)—Swap the actions directed towards two targets—Swap an additional pairing and discover how many scum are in the pairings—Unknown—Unknown—Unspecified
TX AG 90—Town Priest(Healer)—Protect target OR cure poison on target—Protect self and two targets, reflecting all attacks—Clown Fish—Parasites—Unknown
Ragian—Town Psychopath(Unknown)—Poisons visitors—Unknown—Unknown—Small Animal Prey—Unspecified
Sirius Kase—Unknown(Unknown)—Unknown—Unknown—Unknown—Unknown—Unknown

Notes:
— The Example role is not consistent with player roles or role PMs; no Night Action Role, no mention of a bonus action, credit bonus objective revealed at start, information listed in a different order and with different emphasis (to my role PM anyway), etc.
— Salt/Freshwater designation appears to be fluff or otherwise irrelevant as multiple role PMs do not even contain this information (although perhaps only because it is obvious in those cases?)
— There are discrepancies with the level of detail provided on dead players; every role's Title and Night Action Role has been revealed, but some also had Species and/or Favourite Food listed. Does this mean something?
— Multiple roles are similar (but not exact) pairs; dakky21/Skoffin, strike wolf/TX AG 90, ZaBeast/Tobikera. Only for one of these pairings do we know the alignment of even one of the members, the idea that one of each is Town and the other Scum is certainly plausible.

So the second part of what was going to be one post, this one is an account of all the night actions and stated results, and there should be a third part at some point. I was a lot less thorough with this one in the interest of saving time so if anybody knows of anything not included please say so.

[spoiler=Claimed Roles and Abilities for reference]Player—Role(Night Action Role)—Action—Bonus Action—Species—Favourite Food—Salinity
(Confirmed/Claimed/Unknown)

Example—Town Runner(Unknown)—Immune to "night attacks"—Unknown—Unknown—Octopus/Squid/Bony Fish—Saltwater

— DEAD —
pershy—Town Wiretapper(Detective)—Receive result of another's action—Unknown—Leech—Anything Bloody—Unknown
jfm10—Town Assassin(Vigilante)—Poison target—Unknown—Angelfish—Unknown [Sponge was mentioned, but specifically in relation to a different species of Angelfish]—Freshwater
dakky21—Town Hermit(Ambusher)—Immune to targeting OR learn the species of any visitor(s)—Unknown—Stingray [Technically unconfirmed, visually implied]—Unknown—Unknown
aage—Town Necromancer(Grave Robber)—Unknown—Unknown—Blue Manna Crab—Unknown—Unknown
Metsfanmax—Town Kidnapper(Silencer)—Unknown—Unknown—Electric Eel—Unknown—Unknown

— ALIVE —
blacky365—Unknown(Unknown)—Unknown—Unknown—Unknown—Unknown—Unknown
Tobikera—Unknown(Unknown)—Misdirect target's action—Misdirect three targets—Squid—Any Colourful Fish—Saltwater
Darin44/strike wolf—Town Doctor(Healer)—Prevent "kill actions" on target (includes poisoning), heal poison on target—Unknown—Axolotl—Unknown—Unknown
ZaBeast—Town Drug Addict(Unknown)—Redirect ("bump") target—Unknown—Bottlenose Dolphin—Pufferfish—Unknown
Skoffin—Unknown(Unknown)—Immune to attacks, discover attacker's species, bite attacker—Unknown—Unknown—Unknown—Unknown
Pikanchion—Unknown(Unknown)—Unknown—Use the ability of the first killed Town player—Unknown—Unknown—Unspecified
BuJaber—Unknown(Unknown)—Unknown—Unknown—Unknown—Unknown—Unknown
chapcrap—Town Transporter(Unknown)—Swap the actions directed towards two targets—Swap an additional pairing and discover how many scum are in the pairings—Unknown—Unknown—Unspecified
TX AG 90—Town Priest(Healer)—Protect target OR cure poison on target—Protect self and two targets, reflecting all attacks—Clown Fish—Parasites—Unknown
Ragian—Town Psychopath(Unknown)—Poisons visitors—Unknown—Unknown—Small Animal Prey—Unspecified
Sirius Kase—Unknown(Unknown)—Unknown—Unknown—Unknown—Unknown—Unknown

<Link to original post>[/spoiler]

— Night 1 —

blacky365 - Poisoned
dakky21 - Untargetable
Tobikera - Successfully Misdirected Metsfanmax
jfm10 - Successfully Poisoned somebody
strike wolf - Protected/Healed Pikanchion
ZaBeast - Redirected Skoffin
Skoffin - <Action>'ed Self, Bit somebody (a Shark)
Pikanchion - Successfully Went For Food
BuJaber -
chapcrap - Switched strike wolf & Ragian
TX AG 90 - Unsuccessfully Protected blacky365, Poisoned
Ragian - Unsuccessfully Went For Food, Bumped
aage -
Sirius Kase -
Metsfanmax - <Action>'ed somebody Successfully

— Night 2 —

blacky365 -
dakky21 - Untargetable
Tobikera - Misdirected BuJaber, Bumped
strike wolf - Protected/Healed blacky365
ZaBeast - Redirected Tobikera to TX AG 90
Skoffin -
Pikanchion - Wiretapped aage
BuJaber -
chapcrap - Successfully Went For Food
TX AG 90 - Healed TX AG 90
Ragian - Unsuccessfully Went For Food, Bumped
aage - Wiretapped BuJaber
Sirius Kase -
Metsfanmax - <Action> was Unsuccessful or Redirected, Poisoned

— Night 3 —

blacky365 - Action Unsuccessful
Tobikera - Successfully Misdirected Pikanchion
strike wolf - Protected/Healed ZaBeast
ZaBeast - Unsuccessfully (could not find) Redirected Tobikera
Skoffin -
Pikanchion -
BuJaber - <Action>'ed Skoffin Unsuccessfully, Bitten, Poisoned
chapcrap - Switched Ragian & strike wolf, Switched Skoffin & Tobikera
TX AG 90 - Protected TX AG 90
Ragian -
aage - Killed
Sirius Kase -
Metsfanmax - Died of Poison

Notes:
— Only one person (BuJaber, N3) claims to have been bitten, only one person claims to have bitten somebody (Skoffin, N1), have you bitten anybody on N2 or N3 Skoffin?
— Every night there has been somebody who has had both their action be unsuccessful and become poisoned (TX AG 90, N1; Metsfanmax, N2; BuJaber, N3), could these be related?
— Presumably BuJaber's Post Restriction D1 was from Metsfanmax, that would expalin both why there was no post restriction D3 and the name of Metsfanmax's role, but was there then a PR on Day 4 that went unnoticed, either way what purpose would such a role have? -Perhaps this is not worth speculating upon.
— chapcrap's claimed actions should have resulted in poisoning from Ragian twice and a bite from Skoffin once. An explanation for this could be in the semantics however, Ragian & Skoffin how are your abilities worded? -You act upon visitors, attackers, etc.
— Four attempts to find food, with two successful, and no known effects from the two that were unsuccessful is highly suspicious.

The same way as aage did. It turns out that both myself and aage made use of pershy's ability that night, myself on aage, and aage on you. I used it as a bonus ability (I went for food on the first night), and aage presumably as his regular action (as this fits the Necromancer/Grave Robber description). Perhaps it is time to make use of the rest of your PM from that night?

[/Spoiler]

[BuJaber]

Spoiler got a little messed up somehow.

Anything in the spoiler and below was written by pika

[BuJaber]

Also that should read pukika successfully ate his favorite food on the first night not last night.

[Ragian]

Yes, all of the stuff you're saying sounds good. I'll give you that. I just fear that this is a ploy. Also, I DID vote yesterday, but I wasn't voting when chap was modkilled because I started fearing how some people started voting chap, so I had to rethink stuff. I know you think I might be scum and that my actions in your eyes might be scummy now, but if you believe my claim, you'll also realise that I'm town. PGO scum is way too powerful (in my opinion anyway).

I understand that you're saying that you'll get an extra investigation your way, but if we lynch blacky and he flips scum, as you'll see, we can lynch Sirius the following day, and you'll have an extra shot at investigating someone else. If you're dead tonight, we know to lynch Sirius and Strike.

Problem is, though, that they'll kill you anyway if Strike is on their team, so if Skitter is telling the truth, we need her on our team. They might also kill off TX because he's the only healer we have if Strike is scum.

Between you and me, BuJ, we know that Sirius is scum, and that Blacky is scum. It's a flip of a coin if Strike is scum.

f*ck it. Let's get this show on the road. I have stated that I fear that this is a ploy, but no one else is doing anything right anyway. Might as well go down fighting.

unvote vote Sirius

Here goes nothing...

[TX AG 90]

C'mon skoffin.

Jump on the winning team now. If we lynch Sirius and he flips scum, we'll go after blacky next and then victory without having to lynch you. And it looks like scum have not given you an offer.

[strike wolf]

Skoffin' s being weird again. Buj is about as confirmed town as you can get without being dead. I have no problem protecting Buj but I'm a little hesitant about the idea that both healers have their actions directed.

I'll vote Sirius soon. Still want to say more. Just too unfocused to remember what.

[Skoffin]

C'mon skoffin.

Jump on the winning team now. If we lynch Sirius and he flips scum, we'll go after blacky next and then victory without having to lynch you. And it looks like scum have not given you an offer.

You don't actually need my vote, you know. If everyone else is town then you guys can do this without me - sorry I'm playing both sides.


Strike - yeah, except his claim doesn't make sense with what the mod told me? What am I supposed to make of that mate. Maybe Buj isn't mafia, but ragoo defeinetly is. and if buj isn't the partner then I suppose serius is a likely partner. I'd still prefer to vote no one today and see what happens. Call me paranoid but I've had far too many wins stolen from me last minute by idiot mafia.

Anyway, what do we all suppose happened to Beast's redirect last night? Buj did you get an actual name in your report?

[BuJaber]

Yeah I got sirius's name with my result last night also. So last night and night 4, but no name night 2.
Night 1 and 3 didn't get anything.

The roles/night actions aren't consistent. It's a strange game.

[Skoffin]

Hmm so who did ZaBeast even target?

Honestly I'm on the verge of believing that the mod has fucked up their info/results etc throughout the game lol

[Ragian]

Stop mocking the mod and vote.

[Skoffin]

No. Not when apparently the game is fucked; UNLESS you and Buj admit you are both lying.

Are you third party Ragoo? What is your role name/title/species? Are you the one that muted me?
Everyone else - you know that you can ask the mod to clarify the going for food rules so that you can know if ragoo was lying or not?


Buj - Are you a God Father? I s that why you appeared to town to aage and pika? What is your role/species etc?


Weird how "the town" are not even asking people to role claim at lylo. Just sayin', this is why you should also vote for me as MVP at game end and give me the extra credits.

[BuJaber]

I didn't appear as town, they didn't have a cop check. They saw the pm I received which said something like you go out to your target and find out he's scum.
That was the night I targetted metsfan but I was afraid of revealing because of the misdirector claims. And the next day I found out I actually was redirected because mets flipped town so it couldn't have been him.

But anyway they saw a pm saying I found out my target is scum. So they know I was some type of town investigative.

[Skoffin]

hmm

Buj (orwhomever), are you going to use your credits from this game? I'll vote Serius if you promise to give me your credits.

[BuJaber]

Are you scum with sirius?

[BuJaber]

Like if you can win with both teams I really don't see any reason why you won't hammer here.