Streaker's F11 Game Over (4/9) MAFIA WIN (archive plz)

Epitaph1 · Post by **Epitaph1** » Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:49 am

If Tim is a cop and the mafia had a RB, they would have used it on him. It kills his credibility and would have helped them avoid detection.

You keep saying that experienced players would have masterminded a Tim frame. As one of the more experienced players, I'm telling you I would not have done that. If he would have received a guilty verdict, then the mafia would have been in big trouble because we would have either 1) lynched his target or 2) lynched Tim and discovered that he was telling the truth and then lynched his target. If he was a doc, he could have prevented a kill (we only knew he was a PR going into the night) and they definitely did not want that.

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Also, I wonder if the mafia went for Razor based on his list:

Bosard
Tim
Aage
Epi
Risky

We know Aage was town. I know I'm town but form your own opinions. Tim's been under more scrutiny than anyone. That leaves Bos and risky. If we lynch Tim and he flips scum, I wouldn't be surprised if it's one of those two. The main reason I think they went for Razor is because of his list. Why else? He was new, hadn't posted much, and wasn't really pushing anyone that hard. They might have thought he wouldn't be protected by a doc, but that's the only other reason I could think of off the top of my head.

TimWoodbury · Post by **TimWoodbury** » Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:02 pm

more or less this comes down to epi or me today

bosaardbeitje · Post by **bosaardbeitje** » Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:18 pm

Epitaph1 wrote:You keep saying that experienced players would have masterminded a Tim frame. As one of the more experienced players, I'm telling you I would not have done that. If he would have received a guilty verdict, then the mafia would have been in big trouble because we would have either 1) lynched his target or 2) lynched Tim and discovered that he was telling the truth and then lynched his target.

This makes a lot of sense but of course the target would deny being mafia and convince Town to lynch Tim. That could be the end for 2 Townies on day 2, again leaving Town in a 3 vs 2 situation.

I hope you can also see it from my perspective and realise that it is difficult to vote someone off, who 'guessed' correctly that I am town.

@ Tim, please explain to me one more time why you decided to investigate me. Did you even consider other players? It just doesn't make sense to me. Realise that your explanation could make the difference between my vote going to Epi or to you.

Epitaph1 · Post by **Epitaph1** » Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:36 pm

bosaardbeitje wrote:@ Tim, please explain to me one more time why you decided to investigate me. Did you even consider other players? It just doesn't make sense to me. Realise that your explanation could make the difference between my vote going to Epi or to you.

No pressure TIm.

bosaardbeitje · Post by **bosaardbeitje** » Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:40 pm

Epitaph1 wrote:
bosaardbeitje wrote:@ Tim, please explain to me one more time why you decided to investigate me. Did you even consider other players? It just doesn't make sense to me. Realise that your explanation could make the difference between my vote going to Epi or to you.

No pressure TIm.

TimWoodbury · Post by **TimWoodbury** » Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:04 pm

bosaardbeitje wrote:
Epitaph1 wrote:You keep saying that experienced players would have masterminded a Tim frame. As one of the more experienced players, I'm telling you I would not have done that. If he would have received a guilty verdict, then the mafia would have been in big trouble because we would have either 1) lynched his target or 2) lynched Tim and discovered that he was telling the truth and then lynched his target.

This makes a lot of sense but of course the target would deny being mafia and convince Town to lynch Tim. That could be the end for 2 Townies on day 2, again leaving Town in a 3 vs 2 situation.

I hope you can also see it from my perspective and realise that it is difficult to vote someone off, who 'guessed' correctly that I am town.

@ Tim, please explain to me one more time why you decided to investigate me. Did you even consider other players? It just doesn't make sense to me. Realise that your explanation could make the difference between my vote going to Epi or to you.

okay as i said before you was the only one everyone considered "safe" in another game this same thing happened everyone assumed player A was safe come to find out that player A was actually 1 of the skum. you add that in with the quickness votes between you and SKW i had to decide 1 of you 2.(thus why the origonall vote today on SKW) i was fully expecting to be dead in the morning till i found out i was alive. once i put 1 and 1 together that the sum kept me alive to frame me thats when i realized it has to have been a experianced person to have thought up this frame idea thus where i decided either epi or pt.

TimWoodbury · Post by **TimWoodbury** » Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:04 pm

and also i was unshure of if i wanted to investigate you boss or SKW but with the added knowledge of you being the only so called safe one i had to make shure you was indead safe instead of doing what happened in the other game

bosaardbeitje · Post by **bosaardbeitje** » Mon Oct 12, 2015 2:20 pm

And that makes sense too. Can somebody please slip up and say something incredibly stupid? I thank you in advance!

madmitch · Post by **madmitch** » Mon Oct 12, 2015 3:45 pm

incredibly stupid :lol:

madmitch · Post by **madmitch** » Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:22 pm

@ Boss don't understand your statement " it is difficult to vote someone off who GUESSED correctly that I am town. If Tim was cop there would be no guessing, and if he was scum he would know who was town or scum and he could just throw anyones name outthere why yours? is he trying to throw us off your scent or what?

bosaardbeitje · Post by **bosaardbeitje** » Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:34 pm

That's probably the most intelligent thing you said since the beginning of this game. Of course he would have known as scum as well! Somehow I mixed my reasoning up. Thanks.

madmitch · Post by **madmitch** » Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:50 pm

well thanks blueberry :lol:

but you still didn't answer question [-X

ptlowe · Post by **ptlowe** » Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:24 pm

TimWoodbury wrote:
bosaardbeitje wrote:
Epitaph1 wrote:You keep saying that experienced players would have masterminded a Tim frame. As one of the more experienced players, I'm telling you I would not have done that. If he would have received a guilty verdict, then the mafia would have been in big trouble because we would have either 1) lynched his target or 2) lynched Tim and discovered that he was telling the truth and then lynched his target.

This makes a lot of sense but of course the target would deny being mafia and convince Town to lynch Tim. That could be the end for 2 Townies on day 2, again leaving Town in a 3 vs 2 situation.

I hope you can also see it from my perspective and realise that it is difficult to vote someone off, who 'guessed' correctly that I am town.

@ Tim, please explain to me one more time why you decided to investigate me. Did you even consider other players? It just doesn't make sense to me. Realise that your explanation could make the difference between my vote going to Epi or to you.

okay as i said before you was the only one everyone considered "safe" in another game this same thing happened everyone assumed player A was safe come to find out that player A was actually 1 of the skum. you add that in with the quickness votes between you and SKW i had to decide 1 of you 2.(thus why the origonall vote today on SKW) i was fully expecting to be dead in the morning till i found out i was alive. once i put 1 and 1 together that the sum kept me alive to frame me thats when i realized it has to have been a experianced person to have thought up this frame idea thus where i decided either epi or pt.

it went from epi and mitch to epi and pt. get your story straight lol. also this is my third game

anyways im tired, doesnt seem like there is any new info today. just the same banter as the last couple of days. mitch pretty much just posted word or word what white rose posted. epi and boss are going back and forth but not much there either.

TimWoodbury · Post by **TimWoodbury** » Mon Oct 12, 2015 7:28 pm

ptlowe wrote:
TimWoodbury wrote:
bosaardbeitje wrote:
Epitaph1 wrote:You keep saying that experienced players would have masterminded a Tim frame. As one of the more experienced players, I'm telling you I would not have done that. If he would have received a guilty verdict, then the mafia would have been in big trouble because we would have either 1) lynched his target or 2) lynched Tim and discovered that he was telling the truth and then lynched his target.

This makes a lot of sense but of course the target would deny being mafia and convince Town to lynch Tim. That could be the end for 2 Townies on day 2, again leaving Town in a 3 vs 2 situation.

I hope you can also see it from my perspective and realise that it is difficult to vote someone off, who 'guessed' correctly that I am town.

@ Tim, please explain to me one more time why you decided to investigate me. Did you even consider other players? It just doesn't make sense to me. Realise that your explanation could make the difference between my vote going to Epi or to you.

okay as i said before you was the only one everyone considered "safe" in another game this same thing happened everyone assumed player A was safe come to find out that player A was actually 1 of the skum. you add that in with the quickness votes between you and SKW i had to decide 1 of you 2.(thus why the origonall vote today on SKW) i was fully expecting to be dead in the morning till i found out i was alive. once i put 1 and 1 together that the sum kept me alive to frame me thats when i realized it has to have been a experianced person to have thought up this frame idea thus where i decided either epi or pt.

it went from epi and mitch to epi and pt. get your story straight lol. also this is my third game

anyways im tired, doesnt seem like there is any new info today. just the same banter as the last couple of days. mitch pretty much just posted word or word what white rose posted. epi and boss are going back and forth but not much there either.

yah u may be right i couldnt remember and not a clue as to what page it was on so i couldnt check, mitch i dont think smart enough to do it but maybe idk. ill admit when im wrong and it very likley was mitch and epi i said

subtleknifewield · Post by **subtleknifewield** » Tue Oct 13, 2015 1:08 am

I'm still leaning more Tim here, mostly because I feel like voting Epi for me might still be some lingering OMGUS feelings.

bosaardbeitje wrote:And that makes sense too. Can somebody please slip up and say something incredibly stupid? I thank you in advance!

madmitch wrote:incredibly stupid

Something incredibly stupid.

Get it right, Mitch! *shakes angry fist*

rizky_biznezz · Post by **rizky_biznezz** » Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:21 am

ok im back.. sorry for not being around.. got lots to go thru so i will get on to that now

rizky_biznezz · Post by **rizky_biznezz** » Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:59 am

even with the extra time i had to think it over im still no wiser... willing to go with the majority... no new case to make at the moment, i think im still leaning more toward tim, it may be a set up but at least we will know for sure.. if he is the cop he wont get to investigate again anyway and if we vote someone else yes we have a chance of catching scum but we may lynch an innocent and still wont know if tim is legit... going to stick with pt on epi for now and hope pt is one of us.... if you all decide leaving tim in is the better option then mitch would be my next choice

subtleknifewield · Post by **subtleknifewield** » Tue Oct 13, 2015 3:43 am

Honestly, guys, those of you who strongly believe Tim is scum, now is the time to vote for him. Do not leave him alive to do more damage in the night!

bosaardbeitje · Post by **bosaardbeitje** » Tue Oct 13, 2015 4:51 am

Looks like a decision has been made. Mark my words: If we get this one wrong, you may want to look into Epi and Ptlowe.

rizky_biznezz · Post by **rizky_biznezz** » Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:37 am

Looks that way bos but I can't actually bring myself to vote for him... Seems like whatever we do 2 townies are gonna die.. Still got some time to work on it though so not giving up

Epitaph1 · Post by **Epitaph1** » Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:54 am

Vote Tim

Streaker · Post by **Streaker** » Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:20 am

Voute count:

Subtleknifewield (0): Timwoodbury
Timwoodbury (2): Subtleknifewield, Epitaph1
Epitaph (1): Timwoodbury, madmitch

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Deadline 15 October 03.00 CC time.
Currently TimWoodbury is at L-2.

TimWoodbury · Post by **TimWoodbury** » Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:25 am

just lynch me and get it over with foks dont wanna waste anyore time gave my best shot to show im town but when i die look at Epi big time.

bosaardbeitje · Post by **bosaardbeitje** » Tue Oct 13, 2015 9:32 am

rizky_biznezz wrote:Looks that way bos but I can't actually bring myself to vote for him... Seems like whatever we do 2 townies are gonna die.. Still got some time to work on it though so not giving up

I like that you're being thorough and that's exactly the reason why I trust you most at the moment, but what do I know... Tim and Epi cannot possibly vote for themselves, I get that. Mitch is switching votes way to easily and Ptlowe doesn't even want to consider the possibility that Epi could be scum. He was way more enthusiastic when he had a 'case' on Tim on day 1. Subtle is somewhere in the middle at the moment.

I have listed all possible arguments I can think off, I looked at the situation from every single angle and really don't know what else to add. This is everything I have to offer. What I also did is read the whole thread from the beginning, first only Epi's posts and then only Tim's posts, skipping all the posts in between. My gut feeling still says it's Epi on top of all the factual information, but if the majority wants to vote Tim off, I am with the majority. I realise very well that I could have this whole thing completely wrong. After all, this is my first game.

Everyone should do what they have to do. At least there is going to be another day to get it right if we are wrong now and Town can still win.

madmitch · Post by **madmitch** » Tue Oct 13, 2015 9:53 am

Epitaph1 wrote:The problem with lynching Boss is that if she flips town, it doesn't prove Tim one way or another. If he's cop, then he got a town result on her. If he's scum, he could have just picked a random townie to clear instead of clearing his scumbuddy. If she flips scum, then we definitely have TIm.

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As I was driving to work this morning, I thought to myself "what would I have done if I was mafia someone soft hinted PR on D1 in our game?" To me, there is no way I would have let Tim live, even if he was suspected by everyone. A PR in a game this size is a major boon for the town, so it seems like an almost unfathomable risk to let him live. But for him to come out and claim cop right away would be asking for a counterclaim, which would not play out well in mafia's favor. It would have for sure been a 1 for 1 trade in a game when they only have 2 players.

Unless we're in the 4th scenario, which is 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 7 Townies. He could have tried to draw out the cop, knowing that his partner was the roleblocker. They could have figured that Tim was going to die because he was getting so much heat but at least expose the cop. The roleblocker would be able to block the cop each night and then NK someone else.
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The more I think about it, the more I think we should lynch Tim. So much of our discussion hinges on him and no one really seems to trust him. Even if he is the cop, at this point I don't think we can trust his results. So, if he's alive tomorrow, do we rely on his results or question the heck out of them? The mafia will probably keep him alive since they know he could get lynched.

good point VOTE TIM

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