Tournament Newsletter--Subscribe Here! 1st Issue 11/4

Zemljanin · Post by **Zemljanin** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:02 pm

Sign me up.
I also want to help in statistics and every other work with math.

However, in regards to reporting on new tournaments and tournaments that are actively seeking players, a monthly publication is not nearly frequent enough, neither is every two weeks. The new tournaments and new sign-ups take far less than 2 weeks on average. At least, that is my experience, perhaps that isn't the case for everyone else.

I mostly agree.
I think that full issue should be monthly. But information about new tournaments should be at least weekly. I don't know whether we need some "half issue" bi-weekly.

I also think that tournament organizers should create (I mean, we should make them create :wink:

) a habit to inform us earlier. About every periodical tournament we could be informed six or more weeks earlier.
If an organizer prepares a new tournament which has same (or very similar) rules as some previously played tournament, he should inform us the very moment he makes a definite decision. He should provide:
1) Name of the new tournament
2) Link to old tourney's thread
3) Few words about special features of his new tourney
4) Approximate date of new tournament thread showing up

This way subscribers could decide on time - whether or how much they wish to play that tournament. If approximate date of new thread showing up is known, most eager players could start to check few days earlier.

Further, if an organizer definitely makes new tourney, but haven't decided some details yet, he can make a poll and provide us items 1-4 again. (just in item 2 would be link to poll instead link to old tourney) He isn't obligated to act according to poll results, of course. But poll and following discussion must be of some help to him while our benefit is in being informed on time...

If organizers create a really good habits, weekly new tournaments informations should be more than sufficient. Even bi-weekly should be about enough...

Someone could say that I am asking too much, but I wouldn't agree. I mean, every organizer wants to see his tourney easy and quickly filled. So close cooperation with bulletin is in their best interest...

KidWhisky · Post by **KidWhisky** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:17 pm

I'm pretty new to this whole tourny forum but this sounds like a great idea. It would be great to get a heads up on upcoming tournys and such. I'd like to sign up.

Post by **Evil Semp** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:19 pm

I'll take a copy.

Archades · Post by **Archades** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:29 pm

that sounds good

pimphawks70 · Post by **pimphawks70** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:35 am

i'll subscribe

Geoff_with_a_G · Post by **Geoff_with_a_G** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:30 am

sounds good..subscribe me please at #25

spinwizard · Post by **spinwizard** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:33 am

AMAZING IDEA, I was going 2 do 1 of these, I can do the graphics work and think up some ideas/ make up layout, PM me if u want anything doing

spinwizard · Post by **spinwizard** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:59 am

Optimus Prime wrote:
Aerial Attack wrote:OPie,

You bring up some valid points. The solution would be if the Editor in Chief of the Newsletter was also a Tournament Director.

As it is now, anyone can create a thread about a new tournament at any time. Once that tourney is filled, they ask a TD for privileges. This is a good system and provides a great amount of flexibility (a little less work for the TD too).

A potential new system (going back to the tiered Tournament Organizer thread) would be that TOs submit their ideas to a Tournament Director in advance. The TDs could then gauge how many potential people the different tournaments would require. If they had a huge tournament (say 256 players), that might be the only one they release for 2 days. On the other hand, if they had three Point Grabbers (16 players each) - they could release all three on the same day.

The newsletter would have the dates (and TOs, size, maps, themes, etc.) for all tournaments to be released in the next two weeks.

I realize that this is an incredible increase in responsibility for Tournament Directors.

Hmmmm....this is an interesting idea you have here Aerial Attack. I wonder what the actual Tournament Directors would think of such a thing. I don't believe that any of them at the moment would have the time to take on such a project, but I can see how a future Tournament Director could be created to have this role specifically. Perhaps they could even be given a different title or something to symbolize the distinction.

Having access to the tournament information for that person would be relatively easy. No matter which Director receives the tournament privilege request they could easily forward it along to the new Director in charge of said newsletter.

I'm not sure that having a system installed where prior permission to create the thread would be all that good. It's hard enough to find a good tournament organizer at the moment and you wouldn't want to scare off the potential new ones with extra red tape. However, I don't think that really matters. If there was a Tournament Director in place to specifically work on this project it shouldn't be a problem.

I myself would suggest having new "Tournament Assistants" or something along those lines that would specifically have the duties of:

1. Encouraging Tournament Organizers
2. Running official tournaments (perhaps 2 each at time)
3. Keeping a "Stickied Newsletter" updated on a regular basis.

Of course, what information that newsletter should include would be interesting to discuss. It is easy enough to see the records for individual players in the respective tournament threads. Or at least it is when the tournament organizer knows what they are doing. I think information that would be worthwhile would be:

1. Currently Active Tournaments (including status)
2. Completed Tournament Hall of Fame (list names of winners)
3. Upcoming Tournaments (brief description of format and length)
4. Tournaments seeking players (brief description of format and length)

Now, I know there was a similar system in place not that long ago because I have had some discussion with AK_iceman about it. The main reason it no longer exists is because of the difficulty in keeping the records up to date. It was time consuming and the Tournament Directors had a hard time finding the information they needed due to the high percentage of abandoned tournaments.

In any light, if something were to be created it would have to be from this point on as going back to find all the old information would be tough. Although, it could be added over time as it was dug up from the depths of wherever it is.

very gd point

GreecePwns · Post by **GreecePwns** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 12:07 pm

Zemljanin wrote:Sign me up.
I also want to help in statistics and every other work with math.

You have been added. I will PM you with some work when we are ready for you.

However, in regards to reporting on new tournaments and tournaments that are actively seeking players, a monthly publication is not nearly frequent enough, neither is every two weeks. The new tournaments and new sign-ups take far less than 2 weeks on average. At least, that is my experience, perhaps that isn't the case for everyone else.

I mostly agree.
I think that full issue should be monthly. But information about new tournaments should be at least weekly. I don't know whether we need some "half issue" bi-weekly.

I think you bring up a good point.

I also think that tournament organizers should create (I mean, we should make them create ) a habit to inform us earlier. About every periodical tournament we could be informed six or more weeks earlier.
If an organizer prepares a new tournament which has same (or very similar) rules as some previously played tournament, he should inform us the very moment he makes a definite decision. He should provide:
1) Name of the new tournament
2) Link to old tourney's thread
3) Few words about special features of his new tourney
4) Approximate date of new tournament thread showing up

This way subscribers could decide on time - whether or how much they wish to play that tournament. If approximate date of new thread showing up is known, most eager players could start to check few days earlier.

This makes sense.

Further, if an organizer definitely makes new tourney, but haven't decided some details yet, he can make a poll and provide us items 1-4 again. (just in item 2 would be link to poll instead link to old tourney) He isn't obligated to act according to poll results, of course. But poll and following discussion must be of some help to him while our benefit is in being informed on time...

If organizers create a really good habits, weekly new tournaments informations should be more than sufficient. Even bi-weekly should be about enough...

Someone could say that I am asking too much, but I wouldn't agree. I mean, every organizer wants to see his tourney easy and quickly filled. So close cooperation with bulletin is in their best interest...

I agree with almost all of this. I don't know whether to make this every week or bi-weekly.

spinwizard · Post by **spinwizard** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 12:25 pm

I'm always here to help

spinwizard · Post by **spinwizard** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 12:35 pm

any name Ideas?

GreecePwns · Post by **GreecePwns** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 12:53 pm

spinwizard wrote:any name Ideas?

We will discuss these and other issues via PM.

Optimus Prime · Post by **Optimus Prime** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:09 pm

I just want to say that I think perhaps you are getting a little bit ahead of yourself here GreecePwns. The idea of a tournament newsletter is great, and I'm positive that it will help newcomers to the tournament arena more easily sift through which tournaments are still accepting players and which ones are not.

However, I do not think you should be planning on "creating a habit" by which all tournament organizers should on their own accord be reporting to you in advance all of their information including links, ideas, and dates. If an organizer would like to do those things, that is great, and certainly helpful, but you should not be expecting them to do so. It is enough work to just keep a tournament running smoothly that the organizers don't need the added pressure of reporting all of that information. It will only drive them away.

As for putting the newsletter together, you should be able to find all of the information you need fairly easily just by spending a little time between you and your "staff" going through the forums. Any of the good tournament organizers already have everything you will ever need to know readily available at the beginning of their threads. Some other tournaments might take a little more work, but that is why you are going to have to narrow down your selection a little bit.

There are FAR too many tournaments running at any given time for you to include ALL of them in your newsletter, but there are enough of them with readily available information that you can include quite a few.

For example, I've currently got 8 active tournaments, 5 more on the way within the next 6 weeks. If you include all of them you are going to have 13 tournaments just from me alone. Gozar has 2 or 3, Godd has 1, Forza AZ has probably 4 or 5, GreecePwns has 2 or 3 at least, Coleman has 2, and Gilligan has at least 3 right now I think. All of those organizers are very good at what they do and you can find your information with no problem, but think about it, that's already what....20-25 tournaments just from the regulars? That's a ton.

As for my information, my Tournament Central site will be getting updated on at least a weekly basis to show any changes in my tournaments, and anyone on your staff or yourself included will easily be able to find anything you need. If for some reason you can't however, feel completely free to send me a PM and I'll get you the answer ASAP.

In the end, I think this newsletter needs to be something like Coleman does for the Foundry. He finds the information himself without expecting anything required from the mapmakers. If they send him the information I am certain he is 100% grateful and it makes his job easier, however, you can't ask the Tournament Organizers to do extra work that they aren't already required to do.

Anyways, those are just my thoughts.

Regards, Optimus Prime

GreecePwns · Post by **GreecePwns** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:35 pm

Optimus Prime wrote: just want to say that I think perhaps you are getting a little bit ahead of yourself here GreecePwns. The idea of a tournament newsletter is great, and I'm positive that it will help newcomers to the tournament arena more easily sift through which tournaments are still accepting players and which ones are not.

Yes.

However, I do not think you should be planning on "creating a habit" by which all tournament organizers should on their own accord be reporting to you in advance all of their information including links, ideas, and dates. If an organizer would like to do those things, that is great, and certainly helpful, but you should not be expecting them to do so. It is enough work to just keep a tournament running smoothly that the organizers don't need the added pressure of reporting all of that information. It will only drive them away.

I think I may have made a mistake in my last post. I don't really expect people to do that, but if they want to, they can, and we will add the information accordingly. I didn't make this to force people to do anything, just suggesting ideas.

As for putting the newsletter together, you should be able to find all of the information you need fairly easily just by spending a little time between you and your "staff" going through the forums. Any of the good tournament organizers already have everything you will ever need to know readily available at the beginning of their threads. Some other tournaments might take a little more work, but that is why you are going to have to narrow down your selection a little bit.

There are FAR too many tournaments running at any given time for you to include ALL of them in your newsletter, but there are enough of them with readily available information that you can include quite a few.

For example, I've currently got 8 active tournaments, 5 more on the way within the next 6 weeks. If you include all of them you are going to have 13 tournaments just from me alone. Gozar has 2 or 3, Godd has 1, Forza AZ has probably 4 or 5, GreecePwns has 2 or 3 at least, Coleman has 2, and Gilligan has at least 3 right now I think. All of those organizers are very good at what they do and you can find your information with no problem, but think about it, that's already what....20-25 tournaments just from the regulars? That's a ton.

We are discussing via PM what to and what not to include in the newsletter. You will see our final decision here.

As for my information, my Tournament Central site will be getting updated on at least a weekly basis to show any changes in my tournaments, and anyone on your staff or yourself included will easily be able to find anything you need. If for some reason you can't however, feel completely free to send me a PM and I'll get you the answer ASAP.

We will make the most use of that and thanks for that.

In the end, I think this newsletter needs to be something like Coleman does for the Foundry. He finds the information himself without expecting anything required from the mapmakers. If they send him the information I am certain he is 100% grateful and it makes his job easier, however, you can't ask the Tournament Organizers to do extra work that they aren't already required to do.

See 2nd response.

Anyways, those are just my thoughts.

Regards, Optimus Prime

Thanks for the feedback!

KingPrime · Post by **KingPrime** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:38 pm

you forgot to put me down. i think

inonzuk · Post by **inonzuk** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 5:12 am

I'll be happy to subscribe.

spinwizard · Post by **spinwizard** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 5:29 am

You have been sent the graphics 4 the title.

Here it is, what do u think?

Zemljanin · Post by **Zemljanin** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:40 am

VERY nice!!
God job!

spinwizard · Post by **spinwizard** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:41 am

thanks

reptile · Post by **reptile** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:04 am

i would like to subscribe also!

rebelman · Post by **rebelman** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:16 am

reptile wrote:i would like to subscribe also!

tabsnake · Post by **tabsnake** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:46 pm

I would like to subscribe as well please.

Riazor · Post by **Riazor** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:45 am

Same here

Steelhorse · Post by **Steelhorse** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:48 am

Sounds like a nice idea. It would help me keep the Forum and Sub-forums tidy and up-to-date. Sign me up. Just be aware of what you're getting yourself in to...sounds like a lot of time and work:wink:

GreecePwns · Post by **GreecePwns** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:29 pm

I'm starting to feel like that guy on the SSBB website. I know you guys might not like this, but we think it will be good for you. I have decided to make the first issue November 4th instead of October 28th. I think that this decision will give us more time for us to get some good material in there. We are discussing some material, and all will be a surprise. One thing I can tell you, however, is that it will probably be a monthly publication, with weekly "Tournament Notification" letters. Nothing is final yet, other than spinwizard's logo.