Golden Pantheon - Japanese - Endgame

[edocsil]

I prodded everyone who hasn't posted on this page. That short list was medefe.

[freezie]

Facts:

Soundman was town before beeing rebirth.
Everywhere was cultist before Soundman was rebirthed.
Thegeneral and Safari also flipped cultist.
Thegeneral was 'ex cult leader' meaning it is entirely possible there is another cult leader right now. It could be soundman. It could be anyone else too

You forgot a few:

None of the above facts disprove the idea that soundman could have become a new cult leader
The rebirth produced a scum character from a formerly town character

And I agree, activity needs to increase. I believe a prod is in order. Mod, if you'd please?

I already said, 3 times now, that it is possible he could have become a new cult leader. I already said, 3 times again, that I feel that it's the less probable outcome. The chances are very slim that he became a new cult leader on rebirth.


It did produce a scum, however, it does fit flavor: Jonty's character turned evil after dieing. Soundman's character didn't. Or at least I don't remember him turning evil.


I'll say it again: I do not entirly beleive soundman's claim that his role didn't change. I however don't feel he has become the threat I would like dead ASAP.

[freezie]

I prodded everyone who hasn't posted on this page. That short list was medefe.

Thank you..However, the first post last page was from the 18th..

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Facts:

Soundman was town before beeing rebirth.
Everywhere was cultist before Soundman was rebirthed.
Thegeneral and Safari also flipped cultist.
Thegeneral was 'ex cult leader' meaning it is entirely possible there is another cult leader right now. It could be soundman. It could be anyone else too

You forgot a few:

None of the above facts disprove the idea that soundman could have become a new cult leader
The rebirth produced a scum character from a formerly town character

And I agree, activity needs to increase. I believe a prod is in order. Mod, if you'd please?

I already said, 3 times now, that it is possible he could have become a new cult leader. I already said, 3 times again, that I feel that it's the less probable outcome. The chances are very slim that he became a new cult leader on rebirth.


It did produce a scum, however, it does fit flavor: Jonty's character turned evil after dieing. Soundman's character didn't. Or at least I don't remember him turning evil.


I'll say it again: I do not entirly beleive soundman's claim that his role didn't change. I however don't feel he has become the threat I would like dead ASAP.

So who would be your next best suspect?

I'm not too sure about choice of soundman for cult recruit. He already has suspicion because he was reborn and his lover flipped anti-town.

Here's how I see it in regards to potential cult:
pcm: he may have been targeted, but I doubt it. One, he's probably been driving himself, so he wouldn't get recruited, and even if he was targeted, there's a chance cult would target somebody that's already been recruited. (actually on second thought, I didn't consider the other side to that... he could have inadvertently gotten himself recruited by switching with somebody.)
Victor: as I said before, I think he'd be one of the more likely to be cult at this point.
freezie: I believe him to be clear due to my night actions. So trustiest person right now imo.
MeDeFe: I think he would be a good suspect as well. He's normally quiet, plus as roleblocker, I would think cult would want to nullify that ability quickly.
Me: Just to be fair, I concede that since I've been fairly quiet, I could be suspect as well, although since I was last to claim, I would think that cult would want to target known roles first.


-Tails

[Victor Sullivan]

Please, we all know that cult never recruits me, because how easily they can throw suspicion on me (but seriously, think about it - you know you would, too)

Thus, there's no reason to believe I'm Cult. I claimed a character confirmed by flavor, and the description of Susanoo does not fit one of a Cult Leader, and, as I said, I don't think I'd likely be one to be recruited, and, as Tails said, I've not claimed until today. Given we're down to six and cult hasn't won yet, I think we can logically assume we're dealing with 2 cult members, with one of the recruits likely to be MeDeFe, as I agree with Tails' assessment on the matter.

-Sully

[soundman]

Assuming the game started with only the cult leader and there has been a recruitment every night. Three cultists are now dead. Which leaves two remaining out of the six of us. Unless a busdrive or roleblock stopped one of the recruitments. If there is two cultists out there them I believe we are at LYLO. And I think it would be better to leave a recruit alone and go after the leader if possible. I believe Victor's and Freezie's claims so I'll count them (and me) out of possible leaders. That leaves Tail, MeDeFe, or PMC as the leader. I do not yet have a clue as to which is most likely the cult leader.

[pancakemix]

Well, here's exactly what I'm thinking about everyone who's left:

Freezie: I believe his claim. I'm unwilling to commit to him not being culted.
Tails: His claim and actions are suspiciously inconclusive.
MeDeFe: Disappeared. I believe him, but if he's not going to be here, then there's really not much point.
Victor: I distrust his semi-bomb claim, but at the same time I have no reason to really doubt it, especially considering he opened himself up to a lynch by admitting as much.
Soundman: I fail to see any reason why his resurrection would only bring him back as a mason. Or rather, I fail to see why it would bring him back as a mason at all.

[freezie]

Personally, I am torn between victor and pancakemix as possible cult leaders..

Vote: Pancakemix

For what I said before, and the fact he is adamant on thinking soundman is higher than anyone else on the possible cult leader job. When his flavor and the past actions shows he is less than likely to be there.

[pancakemix]

Personally, I am torn between victor and pancakemix as possible cult leaders..

Vote: Pancakemix

For what I said before, and the fact he is adamant on thinking soundman is higher than anyone else on the possible cult leader job. When his flavor and the past actions shows he is less than likely to be there.

First of all, by extension, you are saying MeDeFe's claim is untrue. A claim he made to actively out a cult member. Why would I choose to still lynch said cult member after outing myself? Are you willing to discredit MeDeFe's claim?

Second, You have said yourself that there is nothing to disprove that soundman is the cult leader. Why do you insist that this is not the case now? I also fail to see why I am not entitled to my opinion, no matter how adamant it might be.

Third, I've written you off as cult anyway at this point as you were a prime target for recruitment last night. I hold your opinion in the lowest regard. Prove otherwise or I shall continue to do so.

[freezie]

Personally, I am torn between victor and pancakemix as possible cult leaders..

Vote: Pancakemix

For what I said before, and the fact he is adamant on thinking soundman is higher than anyone else on the possible cult leader job. When his flavor and the past actions shows he is less than likely to be there.

First of all, by extension, you are saying MeDeFe's claim is untrue. A claim he made to actively out a cult member. Why would I choose to still lynch said cult member after outing myself? Are you willing to discredit MeDeFe's claim?

Second, You have said yourself that there is nothing to disprove that soundman is the cult leader. Why do you insist that this is not the case now? I also fail to see why I am not entitled to my opinion, no matter how adamant it might be.

Third, I've written you off as cult anyway at this point as you were a prime target for recruitment last night. I hold your opinion in the lowest regard. Prove otherwise or I shall continue to do so.

I asked last night if Sarutahiko was a character in the game. Edoc said no. And yes, I wikipedia'd it.

vote safariguy5

I am Uzume, town roleblocker. I blocked you last night. After reading through day 3 I thought your claim was extremely odd, even for a game with an advanced setup. It looks like my suspicions were right, you shouldn't have gotten any feedback last night, yet here you are, claiming to have received an answer.

Are you speaking of this? I don't see how I discredited his claim. Yes, I know, you outted yourself after saying you bussed him. after correcting yourself. In all honesty, we know the cult leader shifted at one point. I am not trusting anyone. Like I said, I am torn between victor and you.

For the last time, I said he COULD be the cult leader, but, in my oppinion, he's the least likely to be. ANYONE could be at this point. No, I don't blame you for thinking I was recruited. Nor would I blame you for pointing a finger at me for beeing cult leader. ANYONE could be right now. I can't sit back and do nothing as so many players have been here. I've been using my actions to try and kill cultist, and I've been trying to make people talk. Honestly, I can't do more. If there is one thing I could say for you to beleive me as town is this: Why would I have tried so hard to keep this game active, if I could simply have laid myself back and kill remaining town players? Would have been a very easy win here..I still think we have a chance, even though the cult is, what appears to be, very good at keeping us in the shadow of what is really happening. And I will not let that chance slips by.


Also, you didn't fully claimed who you have bussed around. Maybe it's time for you to reveal that. Heck, it's time for everyone to do this I beleive.

No, my oppinion is not fully set on you pancake. But really, everyone is a suspect here. Confirmed claims proves nothing right now.

[pancakemix]

Personally, I am torn between victor and pancakemix as possible cult leaders..

Vote: Pancakemix

For what I said before, and the fact he is adamant on thinking soundman is higher than anyone else on the possible cult leader job. When his flavor and the past actions shows he is less than likely to be there.

First of all, by extension, you are saying MeDeFe's claim is untrue. A claim he made to actively out a cult member. Why would I choose to still lynch said cult member after outing myself? Are you willing to discredit MeDeFe's claim?

Second, You have said yourself that there is nothing to disprove that soundman is the cult leader. Why do you insist that this is not the case now? I also fail to see why I am not entitled to my opinion, no matter how adamant it might be.

Third, I've written you off as cult anyway at this point as you were a prime target for recruitment last night. I hold your opinion in the lowest regard. Prove otherwise or I shall continue to do so.

I asked last night if Sarutahiko was a character in the game. Edoc said no. And yes, I wikipedia'd it.

vote safariguy5

I am Uzume, town roleblocker. I blocked you last night. After reading through day 3 I thought your claim was extremely odd, even for a game with an advanced setup. It looks like my suspicions were right, you shouldn't have gotten any feedback last night, yet here you are, claiming to have received an answer.

Are you speaking of this? I don't see how I discredited his claim. Yes, I know, you outted yourself after saying you bussed him. after correcting yourself. In all honesty, we know the cult leader shifted at one point. I am not trusting anyone. Like I said, I am torn between victor and you.

For the last time, I said he COULD be the cult leader, but, in my oppinion, he's the least likely to be. ANYONE could be at this point. No, I don't blame you for thinking I was recruited. Nor would I blame you for pointing a finger at me for beeing cult leader. ANYONE could be right now. I can't sit back and do nothing as so many players have been here. I've been using my actions to try and kill cultist, and I've been trying to make people talk. Honestly, I can't do more. If there is one thing I could say for you to believe me as town is this: Why would I have tried so hard to keep this game active, if I could simply have laid myself back and kill remaining town players? Would have been a very easy win here..I still think we have a chance, even though the cult is, what appears to be, very good at keeping us in the shadow of what is really happening. And I will not let that chance slips by.


Also, you didn't fully claimed who you have bussed around. Maybe it's time for you to reveal that. Heck, it's time for everyone to do this I beleive.

No, my oppinion is not fully set on you pancake. But really, everyone is a suspect here. Confirmed claims proves nothing right now.

So me randomly taking over the cult at some point makes more sense than the resurrected player taking over the cult upon resurrection? And if you're really torn, it might not be safe to throw your vote around. If we're at LYLO, you're putting us at risk. And before you say my vote is the same way, if that were true it would've been done already.

Why? Why is it for a mechanic that creates a serial killer, that it is impossible for it to create a cult leader? If there's going to be an overthrow, why must there not be a structure to it?

Then I pose to you the same logic: If I'm cult, why haven't I been sitting back and watching this game writhe in death throes?

My actions, as requested:

N1: Drake did nothing
N2: I replaced Drake and made no action, as I hadn't fully read up and didn't want to screw with anything.
N3: I swapped myself with saf, as I claimed
N4: I swapped myself with MeDeFe

[freezie]

So me randomly taking over the cult at some point makes more sense than the resurrected player taking over the cult upon resurrection? And if you're really torn, it might not be safe to throw your vote around. If we're at LYLO, you're putting us at risk. And before you say my vote is the same way, if that were true it would've been done already.

Why? Why is it for a mechanic that creates a serial killer, that it is impossible for it to create a cult leader? If there's going to be an overthrow, why must there not be a structure to it?

Then I pose to you the same logic: If I'm cult, why haven't I been sitting back and watching this game writhe in death throes?

My actions, as requested:

N1: Drake did nothing
N2: I replaced Drake and made no action, as I hadn't fully read up and didn't want to screw with anything.
N3: I swapped myself with saf, as I claimed
N4: I swapped myself with MeDeFe

unvote for now..But to answer your questions:

We don't know what triggered the switch, nor when it happened. It could have been anything, so anything makes sense right now.

Why do you keep saying I said it was impossible? As you said, I am entitled to my oppinions. I said it's probable, but not likely. Unless you have more info than I do, I will stand on my grounds saying that I'll consider soundman as the least probable cult leader at this point. And if you watch the flavor, Jonty's role did reverse to an evil character. Not soundman.

Not impossible, but least probable outcome.


Well, good point. But if I had to answer, I'd say it'e because most of my posts has been directed to you.

And thank you for your actions. I can see why you choose medefe last night. Makes sense with your other posts.

So..What are the chances cult tried to recruit you last night, though? between busdriver and vigilante, both are useful for cult. Basicly, what are the chances Medefe is a -normal- cultist right now? ( possible leader, but you know...Doesn't make sense with the question.)

[freezie]

Oh and, I doubt we're at LYLO. Takes 4 to lynch, and it's unlikely there is 3 cultists right now.

[freezie]

Wait a second..I know this is going to be my 4th post, but just found this..

I'm the god of wind, Fujin, Town Tracker.

N1 I tracked everywhere, he targeted me. I'm assuming he wasn't cultist then.N2 I tracked freezie, I never got a response, so I'm assuming MeDeFe blocked me.
N3 I tracked strike (as doc), he targeted soundman.
N4 I tracked strike 2.0, didn't get a response again. At this point I'm guessing he must've got killed and maybe his recruit didn't go through.

Dead:
Ryujin Everywhere ~ Cultist
Tsukuyomi Strike Wolf ~ Town Doc
Izanami Jonty ~ SK
Amaterasu Safariguy ~ Oracle Cultist
Amatsu Strike Wolf v2 ~ Ex-Cult Leader

So, tails said Everywhere targetted him night 1. If you look above, Safari showed his old role + cultist, so most probably recruited. The general(strike v2.0) shwoed ex cult leader.

What, exactly, would have been everywhere's role? There is none showed. I assumed normal cultist...How could he have targetted tails?

[freezie]

Vote: Tails

since no one is answering..I'll go with that.

[soundman]

Wait a second..I know this is going to be my 4th post, but just found this..

I'm the god of wind, Fujin, Town Tracker.

N1 I tracked everywhere, he targeted me. I'm assuming he wasn't cultist then.N2 I tracked freezie, I never got a response, so I'm assuming MeDeFe blocked me.
N3 I tracked strike (as doc), he targeted soundman.
N4 I tracked strike 2.0, didn't get a response again. At this point I'm guessing he must've got killed and maybe his recruit didn't go through.

Dead:
Ryujin Everywhere ~ Cultist
Tsukuyomi Strike Wolf ~ Town Doc
Izanami Jonty ~ SK
Amaterasu Safariguy ~ Oracle Cultist
Amatsu Strike Wolf v2 ~ Ex-Cult Leader

So, tails said Everywhere targeted him night 1. If you look above, Safari showed his old role + cultist, so most probably recruited. The general(strike v2.0) showed ex cult leader.

What, exactly, would have been everywhere's role? There is none showed. I assumed normal cultist...How could he have targeted tails?

That is strange. Did Edocsil just forget to put up his role?

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Wait a second..I know this is going to be my 4th post, but just found this..

I'm the god of wind, Fujin, Town Tracker.

N1 I tracked everywhere, he targeted me. I'm assuming he wasn't cultist then.N2 I tracked freezie, I never got a response, so I'm assuming MeDeFe blocked me.
N3 I tracked strike (as doc), he targeted soundman.
N4 I tracked strike 2.0, didn't get a response again. At this point I'm guessing he must've got killed and maybe his recruit didn't go through.

Dead:
Ryujin Everywhere ~ Cultist
Tsukuyomi Strike Wolf ~ Town Doc
Izanami Jonty ~ SK
Amaterasu Safariguy ~ Oracle Cultist
Amatsu Strike Wolf v2 ~ Ex-Cult Leader

So, tails said Everywhere targetted him night 1. If you look above, Safari showed his old role + cultist, so most probably recruited. The general(strike v2.0) shwoed ex cult leader.

What, exactly, would have been everywhere's role? There is none showed. I assumed normal cultist...How could he have targetted tails?

Well don't recruits usually lose their abilities upon conversion? I can't have used my actions if I was recruited N1, if that's you implication.

-Tails

[pancakemix]

Wait a second..I know this is going to be my 4th post, but just found this..

I'm the god of wind, Fujin, Town Tracker.

N1 I tracked everywhere, he targeted me. I'm assuming he wasn't cultist then.N2 I tracked freezie, I never got a response, so I'm assuming MeDeFe blocked me.
N3 I tracked strike (as doc), he targeted soundman.
N4 I tracked strike 2.0, didn't get a response again. At this point I'm guessing he must've got killed and maybe his recruit didn't go through.

Dead:
Ryujin Everywhere ~ Cultist
Tsukuyomi Strike Wolf ~ Town Doc
Izanami Jonty ~ SK
Amaterasu Safariguy ~ Oracle Cultist
Amatsu Strike Wolf v2 ~ Ex-Cult Leader

So, tails said Everywhere targeted him night 1. If you look above, Safari showed his old role + cultist, so most probably recruited. The general(strike v2.0) showed ex cult leader.

What, exactly, would have been everywhere's role? There is none showed. I assumed normal cultist...How could he have targeted tails?

That is strange. Did Edocsil just forget to put up his role?

No, that's all we ever got.

Edoc, is there something we need to know or is it what it is?

@Tails: Saf still came up oracle. Your claim's starting to look shaky.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Wait a second..I know this is going to be my 4th post, but just found this..

I'm the god of wind, Fujin, Town Tracker.

N1 I tracked everywhere, he targeted me. I'm assuming he wasn't cultist then.N2 I tracked freezie, I never got a response, so I'm assuming MeDeFe blocked me.
N3 I tracked strike (as doc), he targeted soundman.
N4 I tracked strike 2.0, didn't get a response again. At this point I'm guessing he must've got killed and maybe his recruit didn't go through.

Dead:
Ryujin Everywhere ~ Cultist
Tsukuyomi Strike Wolf ~ Town Doc
Izanami Jonty ~ SK
Amaterasu Safariguy ~ Oracle Cultist
Amatsu Strike Wolf v2 ~ Ex-Cult Leader

So, tails said Everywhere targeted him night 1. If you look above, Safari showed his old role + cultist, so most probably recruited. The general(strike v2.0) showed ex cult leader.

What, exactly, would have been everywhere's role? There is none showed. I assumed normal cultist...How could he have targeted tails?

That is strange. Did Edocsil just forget to put up his role?

No, that's all we ever got.

Edoc, is there something we need to know or is it what it is?

@Tails: Saf still came up oracle. Your claim's starting to look shaky.

Not really. Strike/General was the cult leader. So General was never really a cop, he just used that as a fakeclaim. Everywhere was not the leader.

-Tails

[pancakemix]

Not really. Strike/General was the cult leader. So General was never really a cop, he just used that as a fakeclaim. Everywhere was not the leader.

-Tails

Not my point. If everywhere had an action, it would probably be apparent on the dead list. As of right now, it doesn't seem that way.

[edocsil]

No, that's all we ever got.

Edoc, is there something we need to know or is it what it is?

@Tails: Saf still came up oracle. Your claim's starting to look shaky.

Almost all cultists lost their powers on conversion. There are a few exceptions.

[freezie]

Well..unvote with edoc's answer.

Erg..I wish Medefe was here. But we have only 2 days left..So..

[edocsil]

Vote Count

soundman (1) ~ PCM

Looking for a replace for medefe.

[Victor Sullivan]

Sorry, I know I've been inactive here and in other games. I'll catch up soon. Just hit some RL stuff; I should be back fully tomorrow or Wednesday.

-Sully

[freezie]

It's too late victor..deadline is tomorow.

Vote: Tails

final vote for today..