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Dukasaur wrote:

jusplay4fun wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:

jusplay4fun wrote: Trump has already accomplished MORE in less than one year than Biden did in FOUR years.

Yup, he's destroyed the lives of something well over a million immigrants.

Are you referring to ILLEGAL immigrants?

You like to throw that big word around, "ILLEGAL" especially in all caps.

Makes you feel like you're talking about criminals.

But in actual fact, the majority of deportees have only trivial offenses on their record. Many have simply overstayed their visa or made some technical error on their application. Some have traffic offenses. Only a minority have any kind of criminal record, and even in that group, the majority have ridiculous things like simple shoplifting arrests 20 years ago.

And of course, since ICE focuses on raiding workplaces, the overwhelming majority are people have been living productive lives at present, even if they had some minor tangle with the law years ago.

Okay, let me continue what I started with Duk. I think Duk tries to engage in meaningful and fair discussions, so let us re-convene.

First question: Are they here illegally? Did the wait in line like many others?

Now, as to whether the USA needs most immigrants to WORK? Yes? Are most OTHERWISE law-abiding citizens? Yes, most are. I think I have answered such matters and questions already. I see no need to restate ALL that (see the immigration thread).

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... n#p5367344

jusplay4fun wrote:
Hyperbole on nearly everyone of these points. As I recall, Trump is still talking to the Prime Minister of Canada to work out differences, especially as they relate to tariffs.

jusplay4fun wrote:

Dukasaur wrote: He grudgingly agreed to permit peace between Israel and Hamas, in a settlement which his predecessor negotiated a year ago, and which Trump initially quashed on taking office.

Assuming this is true, Biden accomplished NOTHING. Biden MAY have had a plan, but it never got any real progress under sleepy old Joe. It took the energy, commitment, and Time by Trump AND negotiations and efforts of MANY (nations and persons) to make this happen. It also took Israel (with some US Assistance) to take out other Iranian proxies, making Hamas vulnerable to pressure from Israel. This WOULD NOT have happened without Trump. PERIOD.

Duk or others can try to allege otherwise. I have seen nothing to contradict this.

Dukasaur wrote: Short memory. The Biden-negotiated ceasefire in Gaza wasn't some "plan", it was an agreement that had been signed by both sides and was IN EFFECT at the start of Trump's term. Trump encouraged Nutty Yahoo to abrogate the agreement and caused the war to reignite.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/rea ... p_catchall

Please enlighten me, Duk. I recall NO such agreement, and EVEN IF THERE were, NOTHING came of it. Tell me what Biden accomplished in the Middle East, except to let Anthony Blinken accumulate miles on his frequent flier program

Dukasaur wrote: Have I missed any "accomplishments"?

jusplay4fun wrote:YES: 1) Economic (many parts), including decrease in energy costs,
2) the border, reduction in illegal immigration, deporting criminal illegal aliens;
3) increase in Pride by many Americans for America;
4) ending DEI and cutting back on the influence of WOKE culture;
5) ending Transgender folks in the US Military;

He signed executive orders to protect minors from "gender-affirming care" and to ensure that only two sexes (male and female) are recognized by the federal government.

6) cutting a bloated Federal work force;
7) cutting funding of many things that have gone beyond their intent, such as CPB.
8 ) I am sure I missed MORE accomplishments by Trump.
9) He did present Charlie Kirk the Presidential Medal of Freedom, posthumously, earlier today, to his widow, on what would have been Charlie Kirks 32nd birthday.

Trump posthumously awards Charlie Kirk the Presidential Medal of Freedom a month after his killing
Kirk’s widow, Erika Kirk, accepted the medal on his behalf on what would have been his 32nd birthday.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald ... rcna237660

Dukasaur wrote: Oh, yes, by all means, give a medal to some jerk who's claim to fame was that he could humiliate little girls. Hey, if I come beat up your daughter, do I get a medal too?

The other stuff on your list is mostly culture wars nonsense. If you take pride in kicking around trannies, so be it, but don't pretend it's some kind of "accomplishment". It's a bully being himself, nothing to write home about.

"Energy" prices being down is misleading. Oil prices are down this year, but electricity prices are up. Oil prices cycle up and down constantly, so nothing dramatic there, but electricity prices have generally been less cyclical, so the rise is probably a little more alarming than the up-and-down of oil.

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Sounds like sour grapes to me, Duk. Did I fuss when Obama handed out Medals of Freedom to ANY ONE?

And transgender "policies" are JUST CRAP, by demented or confused persons who are riding the FAD of the moment. Liberals are all over that one, as if that is a REAL issue. That is NOT BIOLOGY. If you perceive that is bullying, OH WELL.

As far as energy prices, I agree; they are up, now that I have had time TO THINK about it. There is more demand for electricity, and it continues to grow. OF COURSE. IN VA, one data center did not get approval, but many others did and they USE LOTS of electricity. AND Power companies are trying to switch AWAY or at least offer alternative sources of energy, besides fossil fuels, especially away from coal and fuel oil (Petroleum). The building and installation of Wind Mills and solar (photovoltaic) cells is NOT CHEAP. There was opposition to build a natural gas plant where a coal fire plant was being shut down. The gas plant is about the CLEANEST fossil fuel avaiable and I think it was to be a BACK UP and not primary plant.

There is HOPE if we can get FUSION going; there are plans to build one in Central VA, near RIchmond.

AI Overview
The world's first': Startup plans multibillion-dollar fusion ...
Commonwealth Fusion Systems (CFS) will build the world's first grid-scale commercial fusion power plant in Chesterfield County, Virginia. The facility, named ARC, will be located at the James River Industrial Center, is expected to produce about 400 megawatts of clean, zero-carbon power, and is projected to begin operations in the early 2030s.
Company: Commonwealth Fusion Systems (CFS)
Location: James River Industrial Center in Chesterfield County VA

btw: I assume I got most quotes correct, but I may have missed one here or there.

When will the pro-pedophiles give in and release the Epstein Files?

Bad enough they gave a pedophile and human sex trafficker a sweet heart deal and set her up in a minimum security club.

jusplay4fun wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:

jusplay4fun wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:

jusplay4fun wrote: Trump has already accomplished MORE in less than one year than Biden did in FOUR years.

Yup, he's destroyed the lives of something well over a million immigrants.

Are you referring to ILLEGAL immigrants?

You like to throw that big word around, "ILLEGAL" especially in all caps.

Makes you feel like you're talking about criminals.

But in actual fact, the majority of deportees have only trivial offenses on their record. Many have simply overstayed their visa or made some technical error on their application. Some have traffic offenses. Only a minority have any kind of criminal record, and even in that group, the majority have ridiculous things like simple shoplifting arrests 20 years ago.

And of course, since ICE focuses on raiding workplaces, the overwhelming majority are people have been living productive lives at present, even if they had some minor tangle with the law years ago.

Okay, let me continue what I started with Duk. I think Duk tries to engage in meaningful and fair discussions, so let us re-convene.

First question: Are they here illegally? Did the wait in line like many others?

Some didn't. Many did.

Some came as children, with their parents. Some came as legitimate refugees and have been waiting years for their cases to be heard. Some snuck across the border because it was the only way. Many came on work visas and simply overstayed the expiration because the pay was good and whoever they were working for was happy to have them.

A great many have been people from Cuba or Venezuela or Afghanistan.

Cuba and Venezuela are countries the U.S. has been waging economic war on for a long time, and people were encouraged to leave those countries in order to weaken them. In the case of Cuba, refugees have been encouraged have been encouraged to come to the U.S., as a more-or-less official policy, for 70 years, and suddenly the welcome mat has been jerked away. Venezuela is much more recent, but a similar situation.

The Afghanis in most cases are people who actively co-operated with the American puppet regime and are therefore as good as dead back home. They were brought to the U.S. with the active co-operation of the U.S. government, because of their previous status as collaborators. Now they too are suddenly being removed, and those that go back to Afghanistan will be jailed or killed for having helped your forces. Nobody on earth who is less evil than Trump thinks these people should be sent back to their death.

Similar situations existed for Vietnamese and Cambodian and Kurdish and Nicaraguan Contra refugees, former allies of yours that have previously been welcomed by your government due to their collaboration with your forces, and suddenly forgotten. Those are smaller groups, the first two because they have mostly aged out and the last two because they were always tiny groups.

jusplay4fun wrote:Now, as to whether the USA needs most immigrants to WORK? Yes? Are most OTHERWISE law-abiding citizens? Yes, most are. I think I have answered such matters and questions already. I see no need to restate ALL that (see the immigration thread).

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... n#p5367344

You see no reason to restate it all, but tomorrow you'll go right back to using the pejorative "Illegals!" as if none of our previous conversations took place. And after long and strenous argument, you'll again admit that most of them are law-abiding hard-working people. And the next day you'll again be smearing them.

You're like a reformed alcoholic who breaks down the moment there's a bottle within reach. Admit they're decent people one day, go back to slandering them the next.

jusplay4fun wrote:

jusplay4fun wrote:

Dukasaur wrote: He grudgingly agreed to permit peace between Israel and Hamas, in a settlement which his predecessor negotiated a year ago, and which Trump initially quashed on taking office.

Assuming this is true, Biden accomplished NOTHING. Biden MAY have had a plan, but it never got any real progress under sleepy old Joe. It took the energy, commitment, and Time by Trump AND negotiations and efforts of MANY (nations and persons) to make this happen. It also took Israel (with some US Assistance) to take out other Iranian proxies, making Hamas vulnerable to pressure from Israel. This WOULD NOT have happened without Trump. PERIOD.

Duk or others can try to allege otherwise. I have seen nothing to contradict this.

Dukasaur wrote: Short memory. The Biden-negotiated ceasefire in Gaza wasn't some "plan", it was an agreement that had been signed by both sides and was IN EFFECT at the start of Trump's term. Trump encouraged Nutty Yahoo to abrogate the agreement and caused the war to reignite.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/rea ... p_catchall

Please enlighten me, Duk. I recall NO such agreement, and EVEN IF THERE were, NOTHING came of it. Tell me what Biden accomplished in the Middle East, except to let Anthony Blinken accumulate miles on his frequent flier program

Like I said, you seem to have a very short memory. It was less than a year ago. Or maybe your memory is just very selective. I posted one link to refresh your memory. If you need more, you can go do your own homework. I'm sure you can look through a newspaper archive as well as I can. Or quite likely there's a wikipedia article.

You can smear Blinken if you want. I've listened to a couple interviews with him, and he struck me as one of the most thoughtful and objective people to try to deal with the situation. Not like Trump &Co who only go to the Middle East to collect bribes and line their pockets.

I think if you wanted to be honest, you do remember. The Biden ceasefire was a good framework. But when Trump entered the White House, Nutty Yahoo knew he could get away with anything, and he knowingly and deliberately resumed the conflict, with Trump's knowledge and approval.

jusplay4fun wrote:Sounds like sour grapes to me, Duk. Did I fuss when Obama handed out Medals of Freedom to ANY ONE?

You're the one who listed given a medal to some abusive punk as an "achievement." I know awards are sometimes given to the undeserving, but I've never seen someone crow about it as if it was an "achievement".

Gotta go.

Let's streamline some key issues for Duk and me.

A) Immigration:

Did those folks who crossed the border without official status of any sort do an illegal act? YES. Are most of them here for ECONOMIC reasons? YES. Do they also enjoy the FREEDOM and the OPPORTUNITY to be successful in this country, one that provides such opportunity for ALL who arrive here legally? YES. I am a LEGAL immigrant and have been relatively successful. YES. Do I understand the plight of many immigrants? YES, more so than most who post here. If I call them ILLEGAL Aliens, does that make me EVIL? I do not think so. I can a spade a spade and I call a diamond a diamond.

Most all protests are about Mexicans and those from Central America. I do not hear about those from Vietnam or Afhghanistan protesting. The number of such immigrants are relatively small. Your arguments about immigrants from other nations are basically irrelevant.

I am not aware of Afghanis sent back; show me evidence that there is a signficant number or even more than 10. So much for the evil of Trump on this point, until you can offer any evidence to the contrary.

As far as Biden opening the Southern border to Venezuelan and other "oppressed" people merely proves my point: That Biden made a bigger mess of that issue by giving special status for those from Venezuela and Haiti and at least one more nation that I do not recall at the moment.

B) Middle East:

I do not recall the accord that GOT ANYWHERE. It was unimportant then and is NOW. I am not going to look for something irrelevant. If my memory is faulty, my apologies. I do not keep track of useless or trivial information.

C) Medals:

Dukasaur wrote:

jusplay4fun wrote:
Sounds like sour grapes to me, Duk. Did I fuss when Obama handed out Medals of Freedom to ANY ONE?

You're the one who listed given a medal to some abusive punk as an "achievement." I know awards are sometimes given to the undeserving, but I've never seen someone crow about it as if it was an "achievement".

Gotta go.

You have not changed your opinion of Charlie Kirk; that is evident. You continue to misrepresent what Charlie Kirk was about and you missed THE Major Point. What you call "abuse" is Charlie Kirk willing to engage in dialogue of those who think they KNOW something and who volunteer to engage and debate with him. I think your entire characterization of such dialogue and exchange as abuse shows how closed minded you are on this topic.

It is NOT ABUSE of someone volunteers to try to engage in a dialogue. You twist the facts to advance your agenda.

D) You omitted anything on energy policies and matters.

E) The same on the issues of self proclaimed "trans" individuals. They are:

1) mentally off ("crazy" or "mental" or have a mental condition of some sort) and/or
2) lying to themselves and are trying to have others accept their lies and/or self-induced confusion.

To be frank about this, there is a VERY SMALL (signficantly less than ONE percent**) of truly gender dysphoric persons. The media and others who want to oppose, denigrate, and ultimately destroy our widely accepted values have advanced a false agenda and narrative. They overstate the extent of gender dysphoria and allow a few confused and weak-minded individuals to advance a totally false narrative that there a more than TWO genders.

Doing a bit of "research" I found this small gem worth quoting from Mookie:

Re: Trans-Runner in Cal. Advances to Girl’s Championship
Postby mookiemcgee on Sun Jun 18, 2023 4:43 pm

I understand Saxi and others have REALLY STRONG opposition to body mutilation on underage persons (even if the kid wants it) before they turn 18.

Well in 2021 there were 282 'top' surgeries among minors across the whole country. Of a rough number of 27million minors between 12-17 that is .001%

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 1#p5288624

jusplay4fun wrote:Let's streamline some key issues for Duk and me.

A) Immigration:

Did those folks who crossed the border without official status of any sort do an illegal act? YES. Are most of them here for ECONOMIC reasons? YES. Do they also enjoy the FREEDOM and the OPPORTUNITY to be successful in this country, one that provides such opportunity for ALL who arrive here legally? YES. I am a LEGAL immigrant and have been relatively successful. YES. Do I understand the plight of many immigrants? YES, more so than most who post here. If I call them ILLEGAL Aliens, does that make me EVIL? I do not think so. I can a spade a spade and I call a diamond a diamond.

I would never call you evil. If I thought you were evil, I wouldn't waste this much time talking to you.

But you do suffer from a terrible psychic split. On the one hand, you admit you know most of them are good, hard-working citizens, and not the murderers and rapists that Trump calls them. And yet, you smear them with the term "Illegals", which is technically true but still a smear. It's the choice between calling someone a senior citizen or a decrepit old fart.

jusplay4fun wrote:Most all protests are about Mexicans and those from Central America. I do not hear about those from Vietnam or Afhghanistan protesting. The number of such immigrants are relatively small. Your arguments about immigrants from other nations are basically irrelevant.

I am not aware of Afghanis sent back; show me evidence that there is a signficant number or even more than 10. So much for the evil of Trump on this point, until you can offer any evidence to the contrary

LOL! Such low-hanging fruit you give me!

Here you go, from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (I hope that passes your test of "evidence"):

That's the A's and B's. You can look up other countries at your leisure.

jusplay4fun wrote:As far as Biden opening the Southern border to Venezuelan and other "oppressed" people merely proves my point: That Biden made a bigger mess of that issue by giving special status for those from Venezuela and Haiti and at least one more nation that I do not recall at the moment.

And what would you do? Fleeing from a civil war is pretty much the classic refugee situation.

jusplay4fun wrote:C) Medals:

Dukasaur wrote:

jusplay4fun wrote:
Sounds like sour grapes to me, Duk. Did I fuss when Obama handed out Medals of Freedom to ANY ONE?

You're the one who listed given a medal to some abusive punk as an "achievement." I know awards are sometimes given to the undeserving, but I've never seen someone crow about it as if it was an "achievement".

Gotta go.

You have not changed your opinion of Charlie Kirk; that is evident. You continue to misrepresent what Charlie Kirk was about and you missed THE Major Point. What you call "abuse" is Charlie Kirk willing to engage in dialogue of those who think they KNOW something and who volunteer to engage and debate with him. I think your entire characterization of such dialogue and exchange as abuse shows how closed minded you are on this topic.

You're the one misrepresenting the situation. A "dialogue" is an open exchange of ideas, where both parties are willing to consider the ideas of the other.

What the Kirk punk did is not dialogue. Getting untrained speakers to (badly) express their feelings and then ambushing them with well-rehearsed rhetorical tricks is not in any way a dialogue. It's like if the British Bulldog ambushed old ladies on the street and put them down with a Suplex. Maybe entertaining for a vulgar kind of crowd but certainly not an equal contest, especially since Kirk did not post the "dialogues" in their entirety but only heavily-edited excerpts precisely designed to make him look good and others look bad. It's about as far from dialogue as you can get. He was a very disgusting person, and partisan as you may be, I'm really surprised to see you defending him.

jusplay4fun wrote:D) You omitted anything on energy policies and matters.

There's not much to say. The world is moving away from dirty fuels like oil and coal. Trump is doing some kabuki theatre for a certain part of his following that beleives the 1950s were the "good old days" and if only we'd all go back to coal-fired furnaces and cars with monstrous V8s burning a gallon a minute that everything would be wonderful again.

There's a glut of oil on the market and prices are falling. In the midst of this, Trump is chanting "Drill Baby Drill!!" Nobody needs more oil, but he's going to demand more production anyway. Deliberately repealing environmental protection, a kind of right-wing virtue signalling. Reminds me of Saruman, sending his orcs out to cut down trees even though they already had more firewood than they would ever need, just out of spite.

jusplay4fun wrote:E) The same on the issues of self proclaimed "trans" individuals. They are:

1) mentally off ("crazy" or "mental" or have a mental condition of some sort) and/or
2) lying to themselves and are trying to have others accept their lies and/or self-induced confusion.

To be frank about this, there is a VERY SMALL (signficantly less than ONE percent**) of truly gender dysphoric persons. The media and others who want to oppose, denigrate, and ultimately destroy our widely accepted values have advanced a false agenda and narrative. They overstate the extent of gender dysphoria and allow a few confused and weak-minded individuals to advance a totally false narrative that there a more than TWO genders.

Doing a bit of "research" I found this small gem worth quoting from Mookie:

Re: Trans-Runner in Cal. Advances to Girl’s Championship
Postby mookiemcgee on Sun Jun 18, 2023 4:43 pm

I understand Saxi and others have REALLY STRONG opposition to body mutilation on underage persons (even if the kid wants it) before they turn 18.

Well in 2021 there were 282 'top' surgeries among minors across the whole country. Of a rough number of 27million minors between 12-17 that is .001%

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 1#p5288624

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I can partially agree with you. The number of people with true gender dysphoria is quite small. Some of the people getting sex reassignment surgery are undoubtedly confused individual.

And no, although in the normal course of development there are basically two sexes, there are legitimate intermediate states. There are people with a variety of chromosomal crossover states, not just XX or XY but XXYY or XYY or X with a damaged half-Y.

Even so, despite the existence of real intermediate genders, I will agree with you that the majority of cases are not biological but mental in origin.

Still, so what? You think public humiliation is the answer? You think a dishonourable discharge for soldier who has served well is justified, just because he or she has gender dysphoria?

No matter what the problem, public humiliation is not likely a good answer. Trump is a scumbag, playing to a very vulgar element among his followers. Compassion is almost always a better treatment than humiliation.

This discussion has become a MESS again, and it is difficult to respond to properly without LOTS of clean up of nested quotes. Let me spend a bit of time on Clean UP.

I did not clean this up entirely, but I will leave this for now. I have Clan Duties that require my time, and I have Leadership Duties (here on CC and in RL) that require my limited time.

I will say I enjoy the back and forth with Duk, and find him good at discussion, unlike most who thoughts are "a mile wide and only an inch deep."

Now I "gotta go."

Dukasaur wrote:

jusplay4fun wrote:Let's streamline some key issues for Duk and me.

A) Immigration:

Did those folks who crossed the border without official status of any sort do an illegal act? YES. Are most of them here for ECONOMIC reasons? YES. Do they also enjoy the FREEDOM and the OPPORTUNITY to be successful in this country, one that provides such opportunity for ALL who arrive here legally? YES. I am a LEGAL immigrant and have been relatively successful. YES. Do I understand the plight of many immigrants? YES, more so than most who post here. If I call them ILLEGAL Aliens, does that make me EVIL? I do not think so. I can a spade a spade and I call a diamond a diamond.

I would never call you evil. If I thought you were evil, I wouldn't waste this much time talking to you.

Dukasaur wrote: But you do suffer from a terrible psychic split. On the one hand, you admit you know most of them are good, hard-working citizens, and not the murderers and rapists that Trump calls them. And yet, you smear them with the term "Illegals", which is technically true but still a smear. It's the choice between calling someone a senior citizen or a decrepit old fart.

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But they are indeed here in this country ILLEGALLY. It is NOT meant by me as a smear but as a statement of FACT. If you want to intrepret that label as a SMEAR, so be it. I cannot control your interpretations of the FACTS, Duk.

Dukasaur wrote:

jusplay4fun wrote:Most all protests are about Mexicans and those from Central America. I do not hear about those from Vietnam or Afhghanistan protesting. The number of such immigrants are relatively small. Your arguments about immigrants from other nations are basically irrelevant.

I am not aware of Afghanis sent back; show me evidence that there is a signficant number or even more than 10. So much for the evil of Trump on this point, until you can offer any evidence to the contrary

Dukasaur wrote: LOL! Such low-hanging fruit you give me!

Here you go, from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (I hope that passes your test of "evidence"):

That's the A's and B's. You can look up other countries at your leisure.

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Proves NOTHING. Yes, of course this is good evidence, BUT Those nations A-B have relatively LOW stats and numbers. I saw listed (same source) 155+ K arrested or detained from Mexico, as expected AND as predicted. Listing nations whose first letter is A or B proves NOTHING, especially without context. You try to hide the message under a mountain of data that really is factual but proves nothing.

jusplay4fun wrote:As far as Biden opening the Southern border to Venezuelan and other "oppressed" people merely proves my point: That Biden made a bigger mess of that issue by giving special status for those from Venezuela and Haiti and at least one more nation that I do not recall at the moment.

And what would you do? Fleeing from a civil war is pretty much the classic refugee situation.[/quote]
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No Doubt. It does NOT mean that Biden HAD to open the border to them without a MEANS TO PAY for all that care that would be needed, not with California and other states trying to HOUSE and FEED and provide them medical care and PROVIDING NO way to PAY for all that care. Classic Liberal and IRRESPONSIBLE approach: Spend Money and provide no means to actually pay, other than printing money or adding to the US Debt to be paid by my (and OTHER) children and grandchildren.

jusplay4fun wrote:C) Medals:

Dukasaur wrote:

jusplay4fun wrote:
Sounds like sour grapes to me, Duk. Did I fuss when Obama handed out Medals of Freedom to ANY ONE?

You're the one who listed given a medal to some abusive punk as an "achievement." I know awards are sometimes given to the undeserving, but I've never seen someone crow about it as if it was an "achievement".

Gotta go.

You have not changed your opinion of Charlie Kirk; that is evident. You continue to misrepresent what Charlie Kirk was about and you missed THE Major Point. What you call "abuse" is Charlie Kirk willing to engage in dialogue of those who think they KNOW something and who volunteer to engage and debate with him. I think your entire characterization of such dialogue and exchange as abuse shows how closed minded you are on this topic.

You're the one misrepresenting the situation. A "dialogue" is an open exchange of ideas, where both parties are willing to consider the ideas of the other.

What the Kirk punk did is not dialogue. Getting untrained speakers to (badly) express their feelings and then ambushing them with well-rehearsed rhetorical tricks is not in any way a dialogue. It's like if the British Bulldog ambushed old ladies on the street and put them down with a Suplex. Maybe entertaining for a vulgar kind of crowd but certainly not an equal contest, especially since Kirk did not post the "dialogues" in their entirety but only heavily-edited excerpts precisely designed to make him look good and others look bad. It's about as far from dialogue as you can get. He was a very disgusting person, and partisan as you may be, I'm really surprised to see you defending him.[/quote]

One point I will make for NOW is that Kirk was willing to exchange ideas and be willing to HEAR and respond to the opposing view. MOST speakers merely TALK and Speak and do not offer a chance for questions or opposing views to be EVEN EXPRESSED. I call that exchange with Kirk dialogue and you call that "ambush" and "abuse." Those terms you use show you biases, Duk.

jusplay4fun wrote:D) You omitted anything on energy policies and matters.

There's not much to say. The world is moving away from dirty fuels like oil and coal. Trump is doing some kabuki theatre for a certain part of his following that beleives the 1950s were the "good old days" and if only we'd all go back to coal-fired furnaces and cars with monstrous V8s burning a gallon a minute that everything would be wonderful again.

There's a glut of oil on the market and prices are falling. In the midst of this, Trump is chanting "Drill Baby Drill!!" Nobody needs more oil, but he's going to demand more production anyway. Deliberately repealing environmental protection, a kind of right-wing virtue signalling. Reminds me of Saruman, sending his orcs out to cut down trees even though they already had more firewood than they would ever need, just out of spite.[/quote]

I think you have a point, Duk. I will say that Biden TRIED to move the country away from Petroleum and fossil fuels, but DID NOT sell his ideas to the American People. He merely signed Executive Orders without realizing what he was signing and to engage in virtue signaling. I heard him say, to himself, but on a HOT microphone "What am I signing here?"

Oil prices (i.e., energy prices) ROSE sharply under Biden. I was prepared to pay, but I still think Biden NEVER explained what he was attempting and doing and never let the American people know that his actions were going to lead to higher prices for energy and gasoline. I think that he and his advisors KNEW that such policies would cause short-term pain and an increase in gasoline prices, was politically unpopular. BUT Biden WAS NOT willing to spend political capital on this issue. I knew, but I doubt many others understood what Biden was attempting. I also think he used "Green Energy" Policies to reward his economically reward his political friends and try to win and BUY votes, that ULTIMATELY FAILED since he was so INCOMPETENT as POTUS.

jusplay4fun wrote:E) The same on the issues of self proclaimed "trans" individuals. They are:

1) mentally off ("crazy" or "mental" or have a mental condition of some sort) and/or
2) lying to themselves and are trying to have others accept their lies and/or self-induced confusion.

To be frank about this, there is a VERY SMALL (signficantly less than ONE percent**) of truly gender dysphoric persons. The media and others who want to oppose, denigrate, and ultimately destroy our widely accepted values have advanced a false agenda and narrative. They overstate the extent of gender dysphoria and allow a few confused and weak-minded individuals to advance a totally false narrative that there a more than TWO genders.

Doing a bit of "research" I found this small gem worth quoting from Mookie:

Re: Trans-Runner in Cal. Advances to Girl’s Championship
Postby mookiemcgee on Sun Jun 18, 2023 4:43 pm

I understand Saxi and others have REALLY STRONG opposition to body mutilation on underage persons (even if the kid wants it) before they turn 18.

Well in 2021 there were 282 'top' surgeries among minors across the whole country. Of a rough number of 27million minors between 12-17 that is .001%

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 1#p5288624

[/quote]
I can partially agree with you. The number of people with true gender dysphoria is quite small. Some of the people getting sex reassignment surgery are undoubtedly confused individual.

And no, although in the normal course of development there are basically two sexes, there are legitimate intermediate states. There are people with a variety of chromosomal crossover states, not just XX or XY but XXYY or XYY or X with a damaged half-Y.

Even so, despite the existence of real intermediate genders, I will agree with you that the majority of cases are not biological but mental in origin.

Still, so what? You think public humiliation is the answer? You think a dishonourable discharge for soldier who has served well is justified, just because he or she has gender dysphoria?

No matter what the problem, public humiliation is not likely a good answer. Trump is a scumbag, playing to a very vulgar element among his followers. Compassion is almost always a better treatment than humiliation.[/quote]

I agree that

Compassion is almost always a better treatment than humiliation

in most cases, but the "Biden" and Liberal approach went TOO FAR and endorsed what was mostly MENTAL, and NOT ACTUAL, sex dysphoria. You basically admitted, Duk, that this is mostly MENTAL, and not in just with the negative connotations of "mental". Most of those CLAIMING sexual dysphoria believe it without any real biological basis; they are mostly ALL confused persons. That is what I mean here with the term "mental" in this discussion. And since it is a mental, and not biological issue, it approaches mental as mentally OFF.

Let's put this discussion in a more appropriate place, now that the Schumer Shutdown enters week #4:

The federal government shutdown has hit Day 24 and is now the second longest shutdown in United States history since it began on Oct. 1, 2025, but how much longer is it expected to last?

https://www.delawareonline.com/story/ne ... 872519007/

Re: Israel
Postby jusplay4fun on Fri Oct 10, 2025 5:00 pm

Pack Rat wrote:
Trump successfully gave his loyal oligarchs federal a tax cut and took away Healthcare from the poorest Americans.[/b

Why is pee rat talking about tax cuts and Health Care in this thread??? GO FIGURE


anyway, he presents Bogus analysis and PURE OBFUSCATION. These are simply talking points that show NO thought by this poster. PATHETIC.

The reason why the Rich ("oligarchs") got a tax cut is that they are THE ONES who pay MOST of the taxes The Poorest American do not pay federal income taxes, so it is difficult to cut ZERO taxes to those who are NOT rich.

As far as Health Care:

1) The subsidies that are scheduled to end SOON is because "Obama Care" is a poorly designed plan that did not work as intended. The healthy young people opted NOT to sign up, raising the premiums for those who needed some form of Health insurance.

2) The Senate Democrats and Democratic House Leaders who keep screaming for the subsidies offer for Obama Care offer NO PLAN to come up with the needed money. OH, I suppose they will use their favorite means: deficit spending and print more money. GOOD idea.

3) The health care cuts for the current budget are mostly intended to eliminated ILLEGAL aliens who are NOT entitled to FREE health care.

4) Those Americans who are threatened with cuts NEED TO GO TO WORK; simple.

5) The Senate Democrats and Democratic House Leaders who keep screaming for the subsidies
are now rejecting the "Clean Continuing Resolution" when this is what they kept advocating for the SAME thing many times in numerous previous negotiations over a budget impasse.

They want to add subsidies and is not NOW advocating for a Clean CR. Hypocrites.

Why is Trump afraid of the Epstein Files?

SHOCKER, I know: Trump endorses SOME Republican candidates in both VA and NJ:

Trump pushes for NJ, VA upsets despite not wanting to ‘endorse losers’

WASHINGTON — President Trump did not endorse Republican Virginia Lt. Gov. Winsome Earle-Sears in the Old Dominion’s governor’s race Monday – despite pouring money and time into turning out Republican voters ahead of the state election.

The president’s conspicuous non-endorsement of Earle-Sears during a tele-rally with Glenn Youngkin, the commonwealth’s term-limited governor, came as he raved about Jason Miyares, the GOP incumbent in Virginia’s hotly-contested attorney general race.

“Get out and vote tomorrow for Jason Miyares – very, so important – and the Republicans up and down the ballot,” Trump said. (...)

Over the weekend, Trump authorized the Republican National Committee to spend about $1 million each in both states on turnout efforts, Fox News reported.

In Virginia, the focus for Trump allies is mostly on Miyares’ contest against scandal-scarred Democrat Jay Jones, who in text messages fantasized about the deaths of conservative colleague in the state legislature and his family.

Jones also was busted driving 116 miles per hour in 2022 — a jailable offense in the state — and then claimed to perform half of his 1,000 hours of community service at his own political organization.

Trump described Jones as a “demented person” and “radical-left maniac” during the Virginia tele-rally.

https://nypost.com/2025/11/03/us-news/t ... on-upsets/

Wait for Democrat Senators to "cave in." I heard Trump is serving chicken tacos for their dinner in their caves.

Senate Democrats blink on the shutdown after 40 days of pain
The government shutdown looks like it will end some time this week.

After nearly six weeks of a painful shutdown, a critical number of Senate Democrats backed a Republican funding bill to reopen government — with little to show for holding out so long.

The breakthrough, which came together suddenly on day 40 of the shutdown, offers Democrats few new concessions beyond what Republicans had already proposed. In fact, the emerging deal mirrors what Senate Majority Leader John Thune, R-S.D., floated weeks ago during an interview with MSNBC: reopen the government now, and Republicans will later give Democrats a vote on extending the expiring Obamacare subsidies.

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/news/senate ... rcna242937

and:

Which 8 Senate Democrats voted with Republicans to end the government shutdown?
The group includes Democratic moderates, an independent, 4 former governors and 2 senators who have announced they're retiring. None face 2026 races.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 190180007/

yikes, man!!! you gotta watch this, duk...it's nuts.

President Trump just banned "high calorie humans" from permanent residency visas.

saxitoxin wrote:President Trump just banned "high calorie humans" from permanent residency visas.

He only likes eating anorexics?

Dukasaur wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:President Trump just banned "high calorie humans" from permanent residency visas.

He only likes eating anorexics?

Polymarket posted it but I don't see it anywhere else --- https://x.com/Polymarket/status/1987973641095512384

saxitoxin wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:President Trump just banned "high calorie humans" from permanent residency visas.

He only likes eating anorexics?

Polymarket posted it but I don't see it anywhere else --- https://x.com/Polymarket/status/1987973641095512384

Trump Administration Expands Visa Denials to Chronic Health Conditions Like Obesity
Last updated
31 minutes ago
On November 7, 2025, the U.S. State Department directed consular officers to deny immigrant visas to applicants with chronic conditions such as obesity, diabetes, and cardiovascular diseases if they could burden public healthcare costs. This policy broadens the public charge rule to include assessments of potential medical expenses for applicants and their families, shifting from prior focus on communicable diseases. Supporters argue it safeguards taxpayers, while critics highlight its vagueness and risk of discriminating against lower-income immigrants from high-obesity countries.

https://x.com/i/trending/1987648823095648335

----------Giving Fox News Personalities tours of The Work He has done on The Whitehouse...
------------TRUMP redid the area just before you walk into the Oval Office(a hallway that Jackie "O"/Kennedy worked on)...
-------------Hall full of President Pictures... Surrounded by Gold......The Courtyard...Speakers hidden in bushes...Etc...,Etc....... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

What does President Trump do NOW? End the silly and badly led Government Shut-down by Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries:

WASHINGTON—The Republican-led House approved a spending package to reopen the government late Wednesday, sending the measure ending the record-long 43-day shutdown to President Trump’s desk for his signature.

The legislation passed the House on a 222 to 209 vote, largely along party lines.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... 3d758&ei=8

And the Dems try to get the nation to salvage their badly designed plan for Health insurance that they did not adquately FUND. They even did EVEN TRY to fix this during Biden's first two years when they control BOTH Houses of the Congress, too.

And, in recent weeks and days, they kept voting AGAINST clean Continuing Resolution Bills, that they advocated at least 13 times before they found THIS Government Shut down as their ONLY means of Political "leverage." SAD.

Any Questions?

Keep on cheering for 75 million of your countrymen who will be left without healthcare.

Maybe you can take care of them in the soup kitchen you famously volunteer in.

Dukasaur wrote:Keep on cheering for 75 million of your countrymen who will be left without healthcare.

Maybe you can take care of them in the soup kitchen you famously volunteer in.

First, this is a typical liberal response: Overstate your case.

The total number of people who selected or were enrolled in Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) Marketplace plans in 2024 is reported at roughly 21.3–21.4 million, according to federal and mainstream reporting; when combined with Medicaid expansion enrollees under ACA provisions, the broader ACA‑related coverage totals about 44–45 million people.

and

The Affordable Care Act and the data: Who is insured and who isn't
More than 45 million people had enrolled in ACA-related insurance plans as of early 2024.

https://usafacts.org/articles/affordabl ... -who-isnt/

Second, Dems offered NO WAY to pay for this expensive plan DURING the shut down.

Guess what? During the VERY GENEROUS additional subsidies provided during COVID, the Number on Obamacare nearly doubled. The above link clealy shows that.

3) The Dems during the shut down argued for NOT the original subsidies, but rather the more generous COVID subsidies. OF course, because for Dems there is no need to consider or control costs. OF COURSE NOT.

4) I am sure the Dems plan to "pay" for these extended subsides via deficits. They MAY consider higher taxes, IDK.

5) The original plan is badly planned and did not adequately plan for funding.

6) The claims by Obama that health care under his plan would be "affordable" is a LIE. PERIOD.

7) Perhaps things can be worked out before the NEXT shut down. I am not optimistic.

8 ) Obamacare needs to be fixed, NO Doubt. The plan that included penalties for those who opt OUT was dropped and that raised the cost, PLUS MOST healthy young people opted from the very start. Both raised the cost of this program.

9 ) Typical Liberal propoganda: overstate the extent of the problem and focus on feelings and ignore the reality that there is NO such thing as a FREE LUNCH, and there is no Free Health Care. Someone has to pay for it, and that is nearly always middle class folks who WORK. The Dems love to spend someone else's money.

10) With such attitudes, it is obvious that the Dems have no real idea of now to control costs or even consider costs.

11) Why did the Dems NOT fix Obamacare during Biden's first two years when they controlled both Houses of Congress? Oh, their fix was very generous subsidies tied to the COVID funding and OVER STIMULATION of the Economy, that led to inflation (over 10%).

12) The COVID subsidies reduced the amount paid by enrollees to near zero, and the Dems want to main that GENEROUSLY LOW payment, NOT the payments owed at the start in 2014. The costs for the program began to increase soon after its passage, before COVID and took a big jump in 2018. According to one source, the portion paid by enrollees return to the level BEFORE COVID with the current end of those COVID subsidies (as things stand NOW).

Dementia Don has been using the auto pen for.... you guessed it, pardons.

https://fortune.com/2025/11/15/trump-au ... cal-error/