Conquer Club

Iron Butterfly wrote:Just to add clarity.
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Bomb

There is a difference between a Town Bomb and Super Saint. One kills the person who night killed them and the other kills the person who hammers on a lynch.

You will not be both.

Also that's what I thought.
the town bomb only goes off if lynched - not night killed. DJ denies this. Still, never actually encountered one before, just a mafia terrorist once (actually it was our mod )

Djfireside wrote:I have to disagree with you on that. I cover both getting killed at night and lynching. Also I believe it would have covered from the poisoning as well if I read my description right.

Of course you have to disagree with me on that.

Ill take each of these separately.

pershy wrote:OK a few things strike me about DJ.

Going back a bit first this

Djfireside wrote:Pershy - I have had thoughts on him since round 2 and when tenbar went down after the bus driving he stated to review Pershy. I believe this to be that pershy was part of his busdrive and either was the target of the hit or the one giving it. Tenbar died that night.

What did I have to do with bus driving? I don't get this logic. As far as I know I wasn't bus driven but even if i was, what's that got to do with anything.

Then I also read that he insinuated he had helped protect the cop or had a protective power role (this made me suspicious), then after the protective role claims he claims town bomb. Backtracking? Also the perfect don't lynch me fake claim. However I agree with Neb that this would be too stupid not to be true.

Here is the point that I was going off of

tenbar wrote:things are heating up now. lovin it.

so my guess on ragian's death is that it was a busdriving. dazz may even have been providing a hint when he mentioned that rager got off the "bus" to get home. i know dazz. he is twisted that way. and he is probably feeling especially twisted given what happened with rangers yesterday.

as for cod's results, i dont think we can act on them until we have gonna a day without the framer. tomorrow his results count.

so where do we go from here? i agree that pershy is worthy of a little pressure.

vote pershy

but he SHOULD NOT BE HAMMERED...we just want a claim from him at this stage.

in my books cod is cleared until tomorrow, and i think nebu is probably town. IB we wont know until we hear back on cod's result tomorrow. everyone else i am still trying to figure out.

hoping we have a doc to get us there...

Tenbar was the busdriver so I took his push that way as you were involved somehow. As I stated I believe from this you were either the recipient of the kill or the giver of the kill and he tried to say who he busdrove without giving too much away. Also as stated he died that night so never can know. I never said I had a protective role, I actually I was NOT the doc. I only said I had power. I already explained the cop portion so Im not being that dead horse and for all purposes I didnt help if that makes everyone feel better. I thought I did but Hey your call.

Iron Butterfly wrote:

Djfireside wrote:I have to disagree with you on that. I cover both getting killed at night and lynching. Also I believe it would have covered from the poisoning as well if I read my description right.

Of course you have to disagree with me on that.

Short of asking Dazza for clarification on a Role, I cant make you believe me other than to say that is what my desc states. When this is all over, Ill paste it for you to see. May be quick judging on things but im trying not to suicide myself by pasting it.

Im going to stick with my feelings on pershy and I tend to think soundman or MoB is lying.

If you think I'm lying, test it out. It will be valid so know the consequences.

BTW: Completely off topic, If the two remaining mafia members (If there are two) turn out to be IB and Codi Im going to crap myself Do not take this as a accusation just a stupid off the wall dumb comment. I dont want to debate this cause its just as I stated... something off the wall that I thought a while ago and just wanted to get it out before my explosion.

my thoughts with my idea is i think soundman or mob is most def mafia and dj needs to be cleared only way to be sure is for me to investigate them which would take to long. Now if we could use dj power we get to confirm dj claim and possible chance of killing a mafia member.
Up side we kill lying scum and confirm a useless town roll
also upside dj could flip mafia and soundman or mob survives and get investigated tonight
the risk is if he's telling the truth and soundman or mob is also telling the truth we are down 2 town ouch but would make it easier for my investigation tonight. Only by process of elimination i know but i think the risk is worth it everyone thinks dj is lying anyway what better way to test it

A town bomb is only suppose to kill anyone that night kills it. Not whoever hammers it. That would be a vengeful townie. I think he is mafia just trying to make town too scared to attempt a lynch. For that reason I'm going to Vote Dj

Also, why do some of you think I'm scum? I haven't seen any of you give one good reason for why I would be scum.

soundman wrote:A town bomb is only suppose to kill anyone that night kills it. Not whoever hammers it. That would be a vengeful townie. I think he is mafia just trying to make town too scared to attempt a lynch. For that reason I'm going to Vote Dj

Also, why do some of you think I'm scum? I haven't seen any of you give one good reason for why I would be scum.

I agree. I even have the link to clarify. A Town bomb does not do both.

Im gonna admit I skimmed because I have not had the time to read everything. Short post here:

I think DJ and Pershy are lying.

Pershy I have a question for you, are you able to be healed by the doc?

I am willing to hammer the bomb if it is in the towns best interest but I dont think I should. I think pershy or soundman should.

unvote vote pershystill would like soundman to call the hammer

I'll do whatever...it just doesn't make sense to hammer the bomb now.

For sure town:
Codie - Cop
Iron - Cleared only by way of guilty verdict THEN innocent verdict.
Neb - Doc claim is unchallenged. Doc is a staple role in almost every game.

Unknowns:
MoB - Vanilla Townie claim
Soundman - Vanilla Townie claim
Djfireside - Town Bomb claim
Pershy - Body Guard claim

So, here's how it plays out...

Scenario 1: We lynch DJ, with MoB as the hammer. Both turn out town, both die. We go into night, and mafia kill Iron. Game over, mafia win.

Scenario 2: We lynch MoB...he's VT, least lost here if he's actually town. We go to night, hope myself or Pershy save someone. Nobody gets saved, we lose another townie (most likely me). We are now at 3 town, 2 mafia. Codie and Iron then have to decide who is mafia and who is not. The best way to do this is to have the other 3 players (pershy, soundman and dj) cast their votes first. Then let codie and/or Iron hammer. Or if codie finds a guilty, go from there.

Anyway, I'm going to read through thread again and see if anything sticks out on the other 4.

Oh, Pershy...

1. Why did you protect NOBODY night one? With 3rd party dead, did you think a Vig would be shooting blindly? Heck, I even protected cat, who would be most likely to get shot by town.
2. Why are you bodyguarding codie? Did you really think we didn't have a doc in the game? Did you think the Doc was so stupid as to not protect our best asset?

Your protections don't make any sense to me.

codierose wrote:unvote vote pershystill would like soundman to call the hammer

lol edit unvote vote djsorry

We need a VOTE COUNT please.

MoB Deadly wrote:Im gonna admit I skimmed because I have not had the time to read everything. Short post here:

I think DJ and Pershy are lying.

Pershy I have a question for you, are you able to be healed by the doc?

I am willing to hammer the bomb if it is in the towns best interest but I dont think I should. I think pershy or soundman should.

Hammer away Mob.

Pershy is guilty I beleive as well.

no if thats the case get pershy to hammer you will know for sure then

Good luck to us all when MoB hammers...I hope to see you tomorrow! If not, make sure you thoroughly discuss options.

Codie, you get one more free night to investigate...find some scum!

Iron Butterfly wrote:

soundman wrote:A town bomb is only suppose to kill anyone that night kills it. Not whoever hammers it. That would be a vengeful townie. I think he is mafia just trying to make town too scared to attempt a lynch. For that reason I'm going to Vote Dj

Also, why do some of you think I'm scum? I haven't seen any of you give one good reason for why I would be scum.

I agree. I even have the link to clarify. A Town bomb does not do both.

this was my point too

Nebuchadnezer wrote:Oh, Pershy...

1. Why did you protect NOBODY night one? With 3rd party dead, did you think a Vig would be shooting blindly? Heck, I even protected cat, who would be most likely to get shot by town.
2. Why are you bodyguarding codie? Did you really think we didn't have a doc in the game? Did you think the Doc was so stupid as to not protect our best asset?

Your protections don't make any sense to me.

I figured that we might have a doctor. But as I was the bodyguard I wasn't sure. ALso there are different types of doctor, weak, naive etc.
I assume you are the real deal, in which case I figure the mod gave me my role as a back up in case the doc died early as there were mafia, vig and poisoner. Makes sense to me.

MoB Deadly wrote:Pershy I have a question for you, are you able to be healed by the doc?

What the hell does this mean?
I'm not sick. I can be protected by the doc.

Anyway, apart from all that business I just wanna mention AGAIN that I happened to save our cop from the brinch of lynchstinction!

OK as we have a doc - who should I protect tonight? We're about to win this but it's close.
If it's not DJ then we've got SM and Mob as the last 2 mafia.
And with 2 protections they r screwed Well, they can still kill me.

pershy you need to call the hammer

Vote Count

MoB Deadly(1) - pershy
soundman(1) - MoB
pershy(1) - Djfireside
Djfireside(2) - soundman, codierose

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Vote dj

Trouble is if he's telling the truth amd mob and sound are the culprits

Ill cast the hammer to prove my townness

vote dj

Look at pershy and soundman

unvote vote dj

that should do it

Vote Count

pershy(1) - Djfireside
Djfireside(4) - soundman, codierose, pershy, MoB Deadly Lynch

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Day 4 Scene

A mass claim was called for by the town. When the claims came in a noose was placed around Dj's neck.

"Stop, make sure you make a mafia guy kill me then I will blow him up" he said.

MoB decided it was time for it to hapen he walked up to the stool to kick it from under Dj's feet. As he did that Dj pressed the button to activate the bomb.

KABOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!

Djfireside Town Bomb has been lynched.

MoB Deadly Vanilla Townie died in the explosion.

It is now night 4. 48 hours to send in your actions.