Conquer Club

There are 10 teams eliminated so far. Next set of games will be sent in the next 24 hours for all groups who have settled their first match-ups.

peanutman wrote:There are 10 teams eliminated so far. Next set of games will be sent in the next 24 hours for all groups who have settled their first match-ups.

Change of plan ?

Any thoughts on when round 2 might be starting for most of us?

boingboingdaniel wrote:Any thoughts on when round 2 might be starting for most of us?

hope you haven't been waiting to go pee, bbd!

is this tournament over?

Supreme Champion: donelladan & djelebert
Worthy Adversary: zips5000 & jackal31
Maybe Next Time: PaRKoN & TaelS
4th place: jgalioto & bigragooch

This is a Tournament Players Association Year 3 (TPA3) event, and is governed by its rules, guidelines, and judgments which are detailed at http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=89&t=175675.
All are welcome to join and participate in the association. You need do nothing more than join one or more of the TPA3 events that will be announced each Monday. Check back on the scoreboard to see how you're doing:



There are 14 sets of 3 teams that played their first set of games (one game on each home map plus one random map) between each pairing and in each match there was a team that lost two matches and are now out. Those teams are as follows:[spoiler=Teams Out After First Set of Games]andypl0ndon and bdb
arno30 and djoach
Aussie02 and schiballs
azak848 and murphy16
general bax and psychosos
GhostofDeath and jonava
ItzPetey and TheCode
lordlau1 and iliax2
lyndir and n_nikko
shaneback and dualta
small pox and m00nzie
theheadholes and Pittsburgh00
triple 6 and nokelberry
Zivel and Lootifer[/spoiler]The remaining teams will play sets of three games until one team loses 2 match-ups. [spoiler=Round 1 Set 1 Games]Enormastitz & Tin Trumpet : jimfinn & puppydog85 : Game 12570349 Game 12570364 Game 12570407
uckuki & Robespierre__ : RexWheeler & CaptainK : Game 12570374 Game 12570373 Game 12570406
shoop76 & seechster : donelladan & ancessus : Game 12570358 Game 12570362 Game 12570405
babagonosh & morleyjoe : Gromph & starke666 : Game 12570371 Game 12570365 Game 12570404
Loose Canon & Flang : rjhankey & Leverpuller : Game 12570424 Game 12570350 Game 12570402
Marshallbobby & Ooge : jetsetwilly & nicky15 : Game 12570343 Game 12570366 Game 12570401
swimmerdude99 & nicestash : cpoiter & UMiami11 : Game 12570355 Game 12570363 Game 12570400
DaveH & Will Lee : Pixar & HappyFeet : Game 12570370 Game 12570347 Game 12570399
Epitaph1 & cooldeals : Walslaf & ironmanbravo : Game 12570376 Game 12570354 Game 12570398
boingboingdaniel & baggie-adam : SuperWang & Hath : Game 12570356 Game 12570344 Game 12570396
jgalioto & bigragooch : robbiedub & hopalong : Game 12570368 Game 12570377 Game 12570395
andyf23 & drivebynight : Hook2 & JJ41375 : Game 12570348 Game 12570353 Game 12570394
Gilligan & thekidstrumpet : PaRKoN & TaelS : Game 12570369 Game 12570346 Game 12570393
dshedd & Absolute : finsfleet & grandilof : Game 12570360 Game 12570375 Game 12570392[/spoiler][spoiler=results so far]Enormastitz & Tin Trumpet vs jimfinn & puppydog85
uckuki & Robespierre__ vs RexWheeler & CaptainK
donelladan & djelebert vs shoop76 & seechster
babagonosh & morleyjoe vs Gromph & starke666
Loose Canon & Flang vs rjhankey & Leverpuller
jetsetwilly & nicky15 vs Marshallbobby & Ooge
cpoiter & UMiami11 vs swimmerdude99 & nicestash
Pixar & HappyFeet vs DaveH & Will Lee
Walslaf & ironmanbravo vs Epitaph1 & cooldeals
SuperWang & Hath vs boingboingdaniel & baggie-adam
jgalioto & bigragooch vs robbiedub & hopalong
Hook2 & JJ41375 vs andyf23 & drivebynight
Gilligan & thekidstrumpet vs PaRKoN & TaelS
finsfleet & grandilof vs dshedd & Absolute
FreeFalling123 & jdw35 vs Momo33 & Quiksilver
silversun6 & benga vs reptile & bertbum[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Round 1 Set 2 Games]Enormastitz & Tin Trumpet: jimfinn & puppydog85 : Game 12639102 Game 12639114 Game 12639141
uckuki & Robespierre__ : RexWheeler & CaptainK : Game 12639122 Game 12639121 Game 12639140
shoop76 & seechster : donelladan & djelebert : Game 12639108 Game 12639111 Game 12639139
babagonosh & morleyjoe : Gromph & starke666 : Game 12639120 Game 12639115 Game 12639138
Loose Canon & Flang : rjhankey & Leverpuller : Game 12639101 Game 12639103 Game 12639137
Marshallbobby & Ooge : jetsetwilly & nicky15 : Game 12639095 Game 12639116 Game 12639136
swimmerdude99 & nicestash : cpoiter & UMiami11 : Game 12639106 Game 12639113 Game 12639135
DaveH & Will Lee : Pixar & HappyFeet : Game 12639119 Game 12639098 Game 12639134
Epitaph1 & cooldeals : Walslaf & ironmanbravo : Game 12639124 Game 12639105 Game 12639133
boingboingdaniel & baggie-adam : SuperWang & Hath : Game 12639107 Game 12639096 Game 12639132
jgalioto & bigragooch : robbiedub & hopalong : Game 12639117 Game 12639126 Game 12639131
andyf23 & drivebynight : Hook2 & JJ41375 : Game 12639099 Game 12639104 Game 12639130
Gilligan & thekidstrumpet : PaRKoN & TaelS : Game 12639118 Game 12639097 Game 12639129
dshedd & Absolute : finsfleet & grandilof : Game 12639110 Game 12639123 Game 12639128[/spoiler][spoiler=results so far]Blue winning teams go through; others play another set.

Enormastitz & Tin Trumpet vs jimfinn & puppydog85
uckuki & Robespierre__ vs RexWheeler & CaptainK
donelladan & djelebert vs shoop76 & seechster
Gromph & ttblanch vs babagonosh & morleyjoe
rjhankey & Leverpuller vs Loose Canon & Flang
jetsetwilly & nicky15 vs Marshallbobby & Ooge
cpoiter & UMiami11 vs swimmerdude99 & nicestash
Pixar & HappyFeet vs DaveH & Will Lee
Walslaf & ironmanbravo vs Epitaph1 & cooldeals
SuperWang & Hath vs boingboingdaniel & baggie-adam
jgalioto & bigragooch vs robbiedub & hopalong
Hook2 & JJ41375 vs andyf23 & drivebynight
PaRKoN & TaelS vs Gilligan & thekidstrumpet
dshedd & Absolute vs finsfleet & grandilof[/spoiler]
[spoiler=round 1 set 3 deciders]Gilligan & thekidstrumpet vs PaRKoN & TaelS : Game 12712745 Game 12712746 Game 12712747
nrds (replaced babagonosh) & morleyjoe vs Gromph & ttblanch : Game 12767529 Game 12767523 Game 12767518However, Gromph has now been banned, so nrds and morleyjoe go through.
dshedd & Absolute vs finsfleet & grandilof : Game 12767516 Game 12767512 Game 12767509[/spoiler]
There was one match in which all teams each had a loss after the round robin play (osujacket & Kratos644; zips5000 & jackal31 and seamus & hiddenvariable). These have played a 3-team match-up (1 game on each home map plus 1 random map) with zips5000 & jackal31 winning 3 of 4 games and moving on to the next round. [spoiler=4 team games]osujacket & Kratos644 : zips5000 & jackal31 : seamusk & hiddenvariable: Game 12570455 Game 12570456 Game 12570460 Game 12570461[/spoiler]
There was one matchup involving 4 teams, Momo33 & Quiksilver; FreeFalling123 & alvinchek99; reptile & bertbum and silversun6 & benga.
The bracket is below:[spoiler=bracket][bigimg]http://challonge.com/images/brackets/DaveHDoubElimDoub1.png[/bigimg][/spoiler]
[spoiler=Teams in the finals]

rjhankey	Leverpuller	Circus Maximus
PaRKoN	TaelS	All Your Bases Are Belong To Us
		Random
Walslaf	ironmanbravo	Conquer Rome
Hook2	JJ41375	Conquer Rome
		Random
donelladan	djelebert	King's Court
FreeFalling123	alvinchek99	Hive
		Random
finsfleet	grandilof	Trafalgar
jetsetwilly	nicky15	Napoleonic Europe
		Random
Enormastitz	Tin Trumpet	Battle for Iraq
SuperWang	Hath	Age of Merchants
		Random
zips5000	jackal31	13 Colonies
uckuki	Robespierre__	Three Kingdoms of Korea
		Random
nrds	morleyjoe	Quad Cities
Pixar	HappyFeet	All Your Bases Are Belong To Us
		Random
cpoiter	UMiami11	Luxembourg
jgalioto	bigragooch	New World
		Random

[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Round 2 - Game 1][bigimg]http://challonge.com/images/brackets/DaveHDoubElimDoub21.png[/bigimg][/spoiler]
[spoiler=Round 2 - Game 2][bigimg]http://challonge.com/images/brackets/DaveHDoubElimDoub22.png[/bigimg][/spoiler]
[spoiler=Round 2 - Game 3][bigimg]http://challonge.com/images/brackets/DaveHDoubElimDoub23.png[/bigimg][/spoiler]
[spoiler=Round 2 - Game 4][bigimg]http://challonge.com/images/brackets/DaveHDoubElimDoub24.png[/bigimg][/spoiler]
[spoiler=The four finalists]PaRKoN & TaelS - All Your Bases Are Belong To Us
zips5000 & jackal31 - 13 Colonies
jgalioto & bigragooch - New World
donellada & djelebert - King's Court[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Finals][bigimg]http://challonge.com/images/brackets/DaveHDoubElimDoubF.png[/bigimg][/spoiler]

Thanks for the responses about the settings being Escalating Spoils rather than No Spoils. All but a couple were OK with the mistake, and I was able to replace one of the sets of games that had not been fully joined where the response was against Escalating.

In fact the original round was also with ES, which I copied erroneously. So, we will complete the present set of games as issued and future rounds will be NS.

I would rather not continue in this

ooge wrote:I would rather not continue in this

Then just make sure you don't beat us

With ooge dropping out, jetsetwilly's team go through to the next round. I will assign average rankings in the set of games forfeited by ooge in determining the next set of matchups.

I think we received a duplicate set of games (12570373) was against the same opponents that we just received invites to ....

Robespierre__ wrote:I think we received a duplicate set of games (12570373) was against the same opponents that we just received invites to ....

Yes, my interpretation of the original rule is that you have to win 2 Machups. Each matchup is the best of the set of 3 games.

Remember it is a double elimination tournament that has been modified to get multiples of 4 players into the next round, so I think Peanut designed the rule to give a second chance in this preliminary round.

I agree with Robespierre.
And I dont see where you read such a weird rule

Double elimination is because when you lose you get a second chance but against another team that also lost the machup.
Best of 3, twice, and if one team win once and one team the other time, then we make a best of 3, it gives a best of 3 X 3 ...

EDIT : Is it because we are on round 2?? If yes we have to play 5 match not 6. 2 map home, 2 map away, and 1 random. It is one random too much now. Please confirm

I think that Peanut's original rule for a modified double elimination for three teams is quite clear.....

All teams will play each other once in a match-up. As soon as a team loses 2 match-ups, they are eliminated and the remaining teams will play until one team loses 2 match-ups in the round.

You have played a matchup against each other (ie 3 sets of 3 games) and the loser of the two match ups is eliminated. You now play Machups of three games against each other until one team loses two Machups.

Then we can resume the 4-player double elimination series in the next round.

Seems not clear at all. This is what I read

Round 1
Given that we have 49 teams signed up, we will have 15 groups of 3 and 1 group of 4 all chosen randomly.
The groups of 3 will play a modified double-elimination bracket (see spoiler above).
The group of 4 will play a standard double-elimination bracket (see diagram above).

hide: Modified 3-team double-elimination bracket

All teams will play each other once in a match-up. As soon as a team loses 2 match-ups, they are eliminated and the remaining teams will play until one team loses 2 match-ups in the round. In the event that all three teams each have a loss after the round robin play, a special 3-team match-up will be played (1 game on each home map plus 1 random map) with the team winning the most games moving on to the next round. In the event that two teams win two match-ups each, they will play a final match-up (home maps plus 1 random map) to determine a winner.

So for the Group of 3 persons :

As far as I understand. I play against everyone in my group once. ( playing against another team is 3 game 1 home 1 away 1 random round 1 and 5 game, 2 home 2 away 1 random round 2). It is group of 3 teams.
So it is :
Team 1 VS Team 2
Team 1 vs Team3
Team 2 vs team 3

If one one of the 3 team lose twice they are eliminated. This one for Round 1.

Now that we are in round 2 we should be 16 team, splitted into 4 group

Round 2
16 teams grouped in 4s by ranking (see below).
Double-elimination brackets for each group (see diagram above).
5 games at a time (2 on each home map, 1 on random map).
Match-up winner determined by best of 5.
Winner of the bracket moves on to the next round.

So we should have a standart double elimination brakets since we are 4. for now. And not play again against same team.

donelladan wrote:Seems not clear at all. This is what I read

Round 1
Given that we have 49 teams signed up, we will have 15 groups of 3 and 1 group of 4 all chosen randomly.
The groups of 3 will play a modified double-elimination bracket (see spoiler above).
The group of 4 will play a standard double-elimination bracket (see diagram above).

hide: Modified 3-team double-elimination bracket

All teams will play each other once in a match-up. As soon as a team loses 2 match-ups, they are eliminated and the remaining teams will play until one team loses 2 match-ups in the round. In the event that all three teams each have a loss after the round robin play, a special 3-team match-up will be played (1 game on each home map plus 1 random map) with the team winning the most games moving on to the next round. In the event that two teams win two match-ups each, they will play a final match-up (home maps plus 1 random map) to determine a winner.

So for the Group of 3 persons :

As far as I understand. I play against everyone in my group once. ( playing against another team is 3 game 1 home 1 away 1 random round 1 and 5 game, 2 home 2 away 1 random round 2). It is group of 3 teams.
So it is :
Team 1 VS Team 2
Team 1 vs Team3
Team 2 vs team 3

If one one of the 3 team lose twice they are eliminated. This one for Round 1.

Now that we are in round 2 we should be 16 team, splitted into 4 group

Round 2
16 teams grouped in 4s by ranking (see below).
Double-elimination brackets for each group (see diagram above).
5 games at a time (2 on each home map, 1 on random map).
Match-up winner determined by best of 5.
Winner of the bracket moves on to the next round.

So we should have a standart double elimination brakets since we are 4. for now. And not play again against same team.

I'm not sure what invites were sent or games played, but I believe this interpretation is correct. It is essentially, 3 rounds of small double elimination brackets. There were not enough sign ups to run the tournament as intended and I allowed peanut to modify the play slightly in Round 1. In rounds 2 and 3, the double elimination bracket it what was intended to be used.

peanutman wrote:[spoiler=Diagram of a 4-team double-elimination bracket][/spoiler]

Thanks for the inputs, though I read Peanut's instructions slightly differently.

Firstly, the one team of 4 is playing the correct double elimination format - no problem.

The remainder have played in groups of 3 a matchup (which is a home game, an away game and a random game) against each of the other two teams i.e. 9 games.

This is where I picked the tournament up and there is one group that have won one matchup each, so they ahave played a three- team game as specified. - no problem

The remainder have had one team that lost twice and so are out, leaving the other two teams to play each other until one team wins TWO matchups.

One matchup has been decided and so I have sent out the second set of the same games to determine which team wins the second match in which case there may then be a third set of the same games to determine which team goes through.

Note that we are still in the first round, though I may have confused over the use of "set" as a label.

After the conclusion of this Round 1 there will be 16 teams organised and ranked as 4 groups of 4 teams that can play a standard double elimination tournament. - no problem


Note that I am not trying to be difficult and do not care too much what system we play, but I am just trying to keep to the original rules. Had Peanut written "All teams will play each other once in a match-up. As soon as a team loses 2 match-ups, they are eliminated and the remaining teams will play until one team loses ONE match-up in the round." than I would agree that we are now ready to move on to the 4 x 4 format, but he put "... win TWO matchups in the round"

Perhaps I need to take into account the earlier matchup between the two teams and so avoid a second set of games other than if a decider is required?

donelladan wrote:Now that we are in round 2 we should be 16 team, splitted into 4 group

For clarification, we are still in Round 1; the games sent out are the second set of games to form matchup 2 as in "..the remaining teams will play until one team loses TWO match-ups in the round"


As it says "Round" though, I perhaps need to take account of the matchup between the two teams in the three team set of games and only if there was 1 win each have the deciding set?

I'm happy to go wiuth whatever Chap think is the original interpretation of course.

Ok. Understood. You are right then.

Peanut still seems active ... why the heck would he not clarify?? :p

Robespierre__ wrote:Peanut still seems active ... why the heck would he not clarify?? :p

Good point - I have pm'ed and I'll communicate any feedback.

DaveH, I interpreted the rules the same as you.

We now have 15 of the 16 teams into the final sets of games and awaiting a joiner into the 4-team bracket final. Teams have reached the final stage through 3 different methods due to the different number of entrants than planned, so I can't see a fair way of ranking teams ahead of distributing them according to the Serpentine system (which would form 4 groups viz. 1, 8, 9, 16 & 2, 7, 10, 15 & 3, 6, 11,14 & 4,5,13,12) so I intend to randomise the groups if that is acceptable.