[Abandoned] - Denmark

Mr Tumbler · Post by **Mr Tumbler** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:19 pm

Mod Note: Similar Map developed --> viewtopic.php?f=64&t=151728

Request for anyone to take over 2008-03-12
Stopped playing for good now (at least I think so

). So if anyone likes this idea just take it over and continue.

If you need the maps already produced, email me at: mrtumbler at gmail dot com

New map 2007-03-19

I will address the issues in this thread later. Just want to post the new map right away. The most interesting aspects are:
- The change that Hovedstaden was removed, and Storstrom was introduced
- The connection from Sjaelland to Norhtern Jutland
- The removal of a small map outside Middle Jutland.
- The new graphic design.

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:22 pm

Could work.

Ruben Cassar · Post by **Ruben Cassar** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:33 pm

I think it would be nice to have a Denmark map.

Loki557 · Post by **Loki557** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:44 pm

I like the idea.

Danbemp · Post by **Danbemp** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 9:05 pm

whats denmark?

kidding.

yeah man, that is a good idea, definitely go for it.

Samus · Post by **Samus** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 9:14 pm

Well, here's my initial reactions.

I noticed your image is 700px wide. Since the small map needs to be 600px wide (the large one 800px wide), I would suggest slightly moving the outlying island to the left so that you can crop off 100px and make this your small map.

I'm not quite certain what are territories and what are not. I count around 28, and in my opinion (other disagree) no map should be fewer than 32 territories. Try to add some more territories and label them so we can give you more specific advice on that.

Bad Speler · Post by **Bad Speler** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 10:13 pm

Denmark is a great idea.

Here is a map to help you out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Dk_adm_regions_2007.png

Couldnt find the territory names though

Mr Tumbler · Post by **Mr Tumbler** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:48 pm

Ok, will increase the number of territories and give them names etc. Will take a few days though. Will be back.

Nukora · Post by **Nukora** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 5:05 pm

I agree, Denmark has a very interesting geography for a small map. I say go for it. Twenty-seven countries however, is a small number. If you can, I suggest splitting some of them up and shoot for 36+

Six continents seems like a very reasonable number. The original Risk map has six continents. However, you have 3-5 countries in each continent. That is an okay number for one of them, but for all six to have that many is a little too few.

I'd suggest making a ferry line from that orange island (on the east side of the mainland) to the nearest blue country.

My suggestion for cotinent worth (on the current map. On a different map, the number may vary):
Yellow - 2
Purple - 3
Brown - 2
Green - 3
Blue - 4
Orange - 3

Wisse · Post by **Wisse** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 5:11 pm

found this:

also this: http://www.maps.com/map.aspx?pid=8936
You can zoom in to it

this is a perfect map (made my china map the same way:
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/europe/denmark.gif
^are the real borders

or this: http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/europe/denmark_rel99.jpg

i hope its enough

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 5:15 pm

Of course, we have Nederland, Germany,England map, and my opinion its to have all European country map, if these posible.

Wisse · Post by **Wisse** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 5:18 pm

yeah if rev kyle does something about france we have that one
bad speler is nearly finisht with liberia then we have already much european countrys

Mr Tumbler · Post by **Mr Tumbler** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:03 pm

2 concrete suggestions!

Suggestion 1:

Regions:
NORDJYLLAND (Orange) - 2
MIDTJYLLAND (Blue) - 7
SYDDANMARK (Green) - 3
FYN (Brown) - 5
SJAELLAND (Purple) - 5
HOVEDSTADEN (Yellow) - 2

Suggestion 2:

NORDJYLLAND (Orange) - 2
MIDTJYLLAND (Blue) - 7
SYDDANMARK (Green) - 3
FYN (Brown) - 5
SJAELLAND (Purple) - 5
STORSTROM (Yellow) - 2

Please any danes! What about the naming of the regions, the divisions, the connections etc? I'm doing my very best, but I might do mistakes.

Also, I have used the danish names for everything, but replaced all danish ø's to simple o, and all danish æ's to ae. Is this a good replacement strategy.

Notes:

There are now 36 "countries"

There is an error in the map. Falster is connected to Vordingborg, missed a re-coloring of that connection.

The suggested bonuses by Nokura I think are too small. I think we need rather big bonuses, at the level suggested here, or only slightly less.

boberz · Post by **boberz** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:01 am

i like this idea a lot the whole map need to be lighter though

edit: (to the below post) yes thats exactly what i mean more appealing that way, could also consider the flag, title and other generally pretty stuff

Mr Tumbler · Post by **Mr Tumbler** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:26 am

What do you mean with lighter? Lighter colors on the sea, the countries etc?

santon836 · Post by **santon836** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:58 am

whole this stuff, so everything.

I don't like the yellow you used.
You can't read the text well on it.

Molacole · Post by **Molacole** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:16 am

you might want to move bornholm over to the rest of the map so it isn't isolated so much. It'll give you a lot more room to work with.

change the colors too please.

Samus · Post by **Samus** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 1:03 pm

Okay, here's what I see:

Orange: 6 territories, 3 borders all to 1 region
Blue: 9 territories, 8 borders to 3 regions
Green: 6 territories, 3 borders to 2 regions
Brown: 5 territories, 5 borders to 2-3 regions
Suggestion 1 Purple: 7 territories, 4 borders to 3 regions
Suggestion 2 Purple: 7 territories, 3 borders to 3 regions
Suggestion 1 Yellow: 3 territories, 3 borders to 1 region
Suggestion 2 Yellow: 3 territories, 3 borders to 2 regions

Orange needs a bonus of +3.

Blue is just totally indefensible. It has 9 territories and you have to defend 8 of them! If you've got that many armies you should have won the game already. You need to eliminate the connections from Holbaek to Arhus and Randers, and put up some sort of mountain range or something dividing Ringkjobing and Ribe. Blue still has 6 borders and almost certainly can't be held on its own, but if you own Orange or Green it is now possible to expand out in that direction without leaving yourself totally exposed.

Green is fine, bonus of +3 is fine.

Brown needs one connection removed from Als (I think that's right, can't really read it), either from Svendborg or Aero, one of the two. I think it's still hard to defend, but bonus of +5 is a lot for only 5 territories.

Suggestion 1 Purple is fine, bonus of +5 is fine.

Suggestion 2 Purple has 1 less border, so it needs a bonus of +4.

Suggestion 1 Yellow needs the connection between Bornholm and Roskilde removed so it only has 2 borders, bonus of +2 is fine.

Suggestion 2 Yellow needs the connection between Falster and Vordingborg removed (this one is blue, maybe you intended to remove it?), bonus of +2 is fine.

Mr Tumbler · Post by **Mr Tumbler** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:18 pm

Ok, tried to remove some connections. To be true to the Danish country, I have kept more connections than was suggested. I move Bornholm closer. I made it more clear where there are connections, and where there aren't.

Suggestion:

Orange - 3
Blue - 7
Green - 3
Grey - 5
Purple - 5
Yellow - 2

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:27 pm

Right now, the gameplay looks very basic, and very much like this +.

It looks like you can attack up and down or side to side. It doesn't seem to offer so much with the current number of attack routes and such.

--Andy

KEYOGI · Post by **KEYOGI** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:04 pm

Is there much point in a Denmark map? The country's already being represented as part of the Scandinavia map?

Pro_Snowboarder · Post by **Pro_Snowboarder** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:04 pm

the scandinavia map is SCANDINAVIA, not DENMARK. Thats like saying there is no point to have Europe as a map, its being represented in the classic map, and the World 2.0 map. Or a Germany map, because its being represented in the Europe map.

boberz · Post by **boberz** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:43 am

wow one extreme to the other super dark to super light, night sky to babies cradle. Somewher ein between i think

to try and solve gameplay isue remove a few more connections and make the brown continent more easy to hold allowing armies to be built up near the centre possibly add a new connection between yellow continent and orange make gameplay more rounded

make it smaller

KEYOGI · Post by **KEYOGI** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:51 pm

Pro_Snowboarder wrote:the scandinavia map is SCANDINAVIA, not DENMARK. Thats like saying there is no point to have Europe as a map, its being represented in the classic map, and the World 2.0 map. Or a Germany map, because its being represented in the Europe map.

That's taking it a bit far. I'm just not sure Denmark is the most appealing place for a map all on it's own. It's kind of stuck in the middle there though and would be hard to incorporate into another map of a larger area. Perhaps if it's given some sort of Viking twist to spice it up it would help?

Mr Tumbler · Post by **Mr Tumbler** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:17 pm

boberz wrote:wow one extreme to the other super dark to super light, night sky to babies cradle. Somewher ein between i think

to try and solve gameplay isue remove a few more connections and make the brown continent more easy to hold allowing armies to be built up near the centre possibly add a new connection between yellow continent and orange make gameplay more rounded

make it smaller

He, will try solve the color issues.

I will definitely not connect yellow with orange, that will destroy those 2 "ends" of the game, which is an interesting and unique part of the map.

What should I make smaller? The picture of course will become smaller, will post lo-res versions hence forth and not the hi-res working map.

KEYOGI wrote:That's taking it a bit far. I'm just not sure Denmark is the most appealing place for a map all on it's own. It's kind of stuck in the middle there though and would be hard to incorporate into another map of a larger area. Perhaps if it's given some sort of Viking twist to spice it up it would help?

A Viking twist, or a danish happy red twist will make things more interesting, good idea.

Some are concerned about the amount of borders. But if you look at many maps: British Isles, Ireland, Australia, Indochina etc, they have even more borders. But it is interesting in itself. I don't wish to change the real danish geography, maybe remove some ferry connections.

The real problem is the blue area. It's almost as bad as the central part of the European map. It doesn't help to split it in west and east either.