Christianity=Pagan ?

[warmonger1981]

Why do so many Christians celebrate their holidays on Pagan holidays. Is it coincidence that Christmas is on winter solstice? Easter Bunny represented fertility and the timing of it is from Druidism? Jesus wasn't even born in the winter. Is communion a take from cannibalism? Was the Gospel of Judas correct? Why does Christianity seem to be a rip off of other ancient religions?

[saxitoxin]

Why do so many Christians celebrate their holidays on Pagan holidays. Is it coincidence that Christmas is on winter solstice? Easter Bunny represented fertility and the timing of it is from Druidism? Jesus wasn't even born in the winter. Is communion a take from cannibalism? Was the Gospel of Judas correct? Why does Christianity seem to be a rip off of other ancient religions?

Christian holidays were aligned with pagan celebrations to make conversions from the old gods to the harvest god Yahweh less traumatic.

You can view that either from an anthropological perspective, or a conspiratorial perspective (google "Is Christianity a Jewish conspiracy?")

The only reason I really post in this thread is it's a chance to embed yet another scene from The Wicker Man, to the delight of Dukasaur.

[warmonger1981]

Whats wrong my children...to scared to touch this one? Any Christians out there that can shed some light on these subjects with a rational response?

[Army of GOD]

Whats wrong my children...to scared to touch this one? Any Christians out there that can shed some light on these subjects with a rational response?

Because this is a stupid fucking thread and no one wants to suck your dick.

[warmonger1981]

Removed for flaming/bigotry -- Mets

[Dukasaur]

Whats wrong my children...to scared to touch this one? Any Christians out there that can shed some light on these subjects with a rational response?

Nothing to be scared of. More like the question is too boring to bother responding to. But okay, I'll take the bait. It's a simple marketing decision. Just like when MacDonald opened up in India, it had to adjust its menu to conform to the local (no beef) norms. Similarly, in order to be sold to Europeans, Christianity had to incorporate traditional European festivals like Eostre. It's an elementary exercise in marketing. If you want to expand your business to new communities, you have to adapt to their norms.

[warmonger1981]

You my fine sir are a gentleman and a scholar.

[notyou2]

Is that all it takes for you to spew platitudes and not insults?

[saxitoxin]

[universalchiro]

Why do so many Christians celebrate their holidays on Pagan holidays. Is it coincidence that Christmas is on winter solstice? Easter Bunny represented fertility and the timing of it is from Druidism? Jesus wasn't even born in the winter. Is communion a take from cannibalism? Was the Gospel of Judas correct? Why does Christianity seem to be a rip off of other ancient religions?

The word "Easter" is derived from the pagan worship of Ishtar from Babylon. Ishtar is the Hebrew name from Ninevah of Queen Semaramus of Babylon. They passed around eggs to symbolize newness of life. And called them Ishtar eggs. Through dialect changes, Ishtar is called Easter. Easter has infiltrated deep into the church and pastors even have Easter egg hunts around the pulpit to further indictrinate this pagan ritual to successive generations. The Bible declares we are to refer to the resurrection of Jesus as Holy Passover. Never is the word Easter mentioned in the Bible.

[notyou2]

Why do so many Christians celebrate their holidays on Pagan holidays. Is it coincidence that Christmas is on winter solstice? Easter Bunny represented fertility and the timing of it is from Druidism? Jesus wasn't even born in the winter. Is communion a take from cannibalism? Was the Gospel of Judas correct? Why does Christianity seem to be a rip off of other ancient religions?

The word "Easter" is derived from the pagan worship of Ishtar from Babylon. Ishtar is the Hebrew name from Ninevah of Queen Semaramus of Babylon. They passed around eggs to symbolize newness of life. And called them Ishtar eggs. Through dialect changes, Ishtar is called Easter. Easter has infiltrated deep into the church and pastors even have Easter egg hunts around the pulpit to further indictrinate this pagan ritual to successive generations. The Bible declares we are to refer to the resurrection of Jesus as Holy Passover. Never is the word Easter mentioned in the Bible.

I wonder how many other Christian traditions and teachings are not Christian?

[warmonger1981]

Funny my post was taken down but AOG gets to keep his up. Sucking any mod Dick AOG?

[notyou2]

Funny my post was taken down but AOG gets to keep his up. Sucking any mod Dick AOG?

All I remember is "fish lips"

[Dukasaur]

Funny my post was taken down but AOG gets to keep his up. Sucking any mod Dick AOG?

All I remember is "fish lips"

"Two kinds fish lips on plate" was my favourite menu item in a certain very authentic Chinese restaurant that I used to go to. When I say authentic, I mean nobody in the place spoke English, they were all straight off the boat. Their menu was all in Chinese, but somebody had painstakingly translated the items into English, but all the translations were positively horrible. Me and my friends used to go there just to read the menu and kill ourselves laughing. We used to order relatively safe things like "Chinese noodle and burn beef". My favourite item to read was definitely "Two kinds fish lips on plate" but for whatever reason I never got around to ordering it. I always thought I'd try it "next time" but then I'd always end up forgetting and falling back on something more comprehensible.

[mrswdk]

Winter solstice is before Christmas.

[Ray Rider]

Whats wrong my children...to scared to touch this one? Any Christians out there that can shed some light on these subjects with a rational response?

Nothing to be scared of. More like the question is too boring to bother responding to. But okay, I'll take the bait. It's a simple marketing decision. Just like when MacDonald opened up in India, it had to adjust its menu to conform to the local (no beef) norms. Similarly, in order to be sold to Europeans, Christianity had to incorporate traditional European festivals like Eostre. It's an elementary exercise in marketing. If you want to expand your business to new communities, you have to adapt to their norms.

Yeah, I mean, as Christianity spread to new regions and started to become more accepted by the locals, why not use the preexisting holiday and simply change the meaning and reason for celebration to something you could agree with rather than struggling to have a different day recognized? Secularists seem to be trying to do the same thing in our day and age. Jesus said that the sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath; I would think a similar principle applies to other holidays. Ultimately, Christianity is all about having a relationship with God through Jesus; not about what days a person may or may not be celebrating holidays on.

Somewhat related, this topic reminded me of this funny youtube clip:

[BigBallinStalin]

Funny my post was taken down but AOG gets to keep his up. Sucking any mod Dick AOG?

It could go either way. We shouldn't be so quick to judge!

[nietzsche]

OMG THE SCANDAL!!

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Funny my post was taken down but AOG gets to keep his up. Sucking any mod Dick AOG?

All I remember is "fish lips"

"Two kinds fish lips on plate" was my favourite menu item in a certain very authentic Chinese restaurant that I used to go to. When I say authentic, I mean nobody in the place spoke English, they were all straight off the boat. Their menu was all in Chinese, but somebody had painstakingly translated the items into English, but all the translations were positively horrible. Me and my friends used to go there just to read the menu and kill ourselves laughing. We used to order relatively safe things like "Chinese noodle and burn beef". My favourite item to read was definitely "Two kinds fish lips on plate" but for whatever reason I never got around to ordering it. I always thought I'd try it "next time" but then I'd always end up forgetting and falling back on something more comprehensible.

Coward.

Although you probably saved yourself from a night long date with the toilet...

-TG

[Lootifer]

Funny my post was taken down but AOG gets to keep his up. Sucking any mod Dick AOG?

I really want to mess with with AoG's post now but for posterity I wont. Rest assured that us, the mods, all think AoG is a knob.

[universalchiro]

Why do so many Christians celebrate their holidays on Pagan holidays. Is it coincidence that Christmas is on winter solstice? Easter Bunny represented fertility and the timing of it is from Druidism? Jesus wasn't even born in the winter. Is communion a take from cannibalism? Was the Gospel of Judas correct? Why does Christianity seem to be a rip off of other ancient religions?

The death of Jesus occurred on Nissan 14 as is the set date of the passover from the Old Testament to remind Israel of the Passover that occurred while in Egypt. So while the priest were slaughtering lambs for passover, Jesus was being slaughtered as the sacrificial lamb for all of mankind who believes in Him.

So the timing of the church today celebrating the resurrection of Jesus from the dead is a sort of accurate date. However, Jews remained on the solar-lunar calendar and gentiles switched off that to Gregorian/Western/Christian calendar. So today the actual date that Jesus died would be the full moon of Nissan 14, which ranges from late March to early April on the Christian calendar. But to Christians it's not so much as which day Jesus died on the cross and which day He rose from the grave, it's that He did. So the focus is on the act, not the date of the act.

As far as Jesus being born during Christmas time: Jesus started His ministry when He was 30 years of age (Luke 3) by being baptized by John the Baptist in the area of Bethany. Then fasted for 40 days and tempted 3 times. Then He traveled up to Nazareth, then Cana (turning the water to wine at a wedding), then onto Capernaum, then back down to Jerusalem for Passover on Nissan 14. So working backwards from Nissan 14, traveling by foot, that would put Jesus being baptised around late December on His birthday. Hence late December. So I have no problem with picking a day to celebrate the birth of Jesus. For to Christians it's not when Jesus was born, it's that God in the flesh was born as fully man through Mary and fully God, not being of Joseph's seed, but of God's seed, ie the virgin birth. This fulfilled prophecy. Also that Jesus' birth was through Mary the royal blood line to King David as depicted in the genealogy of Luke, and the birth of Jesus was through the Legal line to King David through Joseph in the genealogy of Matthew. Different genealogies going through two families to establish Jesus' legal and royal title to be King of the Jews.

Paganism is everywhere, remember Satan is very clever and knows scripture better than most believers. Satan is/was clever enough to lure 1/3 of the angels from the midst of God. So let's not discount how powerful he is. For example, even the American Medical Association has the god of healing as it's caduceus (intertwining snakes). So just because paganism has infiltrated the "Religion" of Christianity does not warrant discrediting the Bible. For that is the source of truth, and man's shortcomings of correctly interpreting and living by the standards of the Bible is why paganism is in the "Religion" of Christianity, but not in the Bible. So when in doubt, just turn to the Word of God, not "Religion".

Remember according to the Bible, believers are living in a world ruled by Satan and his demonic forces and they will do everything in their power to cloud the truth and deceive as many as possible. And the further the world drifts away from the Bible, the closer comes judgement and the 2nd coming of the Messiah.

[Phatscotty]

Whats wrong my children...to scared to touch this one? Any Christians out there that can shed some light on these subjects with a rational response?

Nothing to be scared of. More like the question is too boring to bother responding to. But okay, I'll take the bait. It's a simple marketing decision. Just like when MacDonald opened up in India, it had to adjust its menu to conform to the local (no beef) norms. Similarly, in order to be sold to Europeans, Christianity had to incorporate traditional European festivals like Eostre. It's an elementary exercise in marketing. If you want to expand your business to new communities, you have to adapt to their norms.

except for America

[notyou2]

Why do so many Christians celebrate their holidays on Pagan holidays. Is it coincidence that Christmas is on winter solstice? Easter Bunny represented fertility and the timing of it is from Druidism? Jesus wasn't even born in the winter. Is communion a take from cannibalism? Was the Gospel of Judas correct? Why does Christianity seem to be a rip off of other ancient religions?

The death of Jesus occurred on Nissan 14 as is the set date of the passover from the Old Testament to remind Israel of the Passover that occurred while in Egypt. So while the priest were slaughtering lambs for passover, Jesus was being slaughtered as the sacrificial lamb for all of mankind who believes in Him.

So the timing of the church today celebrating the resurrection of Jesus from the dead is a sort of accurate date. However, Jews remained on the solar-lunar calendar and gentiles switched off that to Gregorian/Western/Christian calendar. So today the actual date that Jesus died would be the full moon of Nissan 14, which ranges from late March to early April on the Christian calendar. But to Christians it's not so much as which day Jesus died on the cross and which day He rose from the grave, it's that He did. So the focus is on the act, not the date of the act.

As far as Jesus being born during Christmas time: Jesus started His ministry when He was 30 years of age (Luke 3) by being baptized by John the Baptist in the area of Bethany. Then fasted for 40 days and tempted 3 times. Then He traveled up to Nazareth, then Cana (turning the water to wine at a wedding), then onto Capernaum, then back down to Jerusalem for Passover on Nissan 14. So working backwards from Nissan 14, traveling by foot, that would put Jesus being baptised around late December on His birthday. Hence late December. So I have no problem with picking a day to celebrate the birth of Jesus. For to Christians it's not when Jesus was born, it's that God in the flesh was born as fully man through Mary and fully God, not being of Joseph's seed, but of God's seed, ie the virgin birth. This fulfilled prophecy. Also that Jesus' birth was through Mary the royal blood line to King David as depicted in the genealogy of Luke, and the birth of Jesus was through the Legal line to King David through Joseph in the genealogy of Matthew. Different genealogies going through two families to establish Jesus' legal and royal title to be King of the Jews.

Paganism is everywhere, remember Satan is very clever and knows scripture better than most believers. Satan is/was clever enough to lure 1/3 of the angels from the midst of God. So let's not discount how powerful he is. For example, even the American Medical Association has the god of healing as it's caduceus (intertwining snakes). So just because paganism has infiltrated the "Religion" of Christianity does not warrant discrediting the Bible. For that is the source of truth, and man's shortcomings of correctly interpreting and living by the standards of the Bible is why paganism is in the "Religion" of Christianity, but not in the Bible. So when in doubt, just turn to the Word of God, not "Religion".

Remember according to the Bible, believers are living in a world ruled by Satan and his demonic forces and they will do everything in their power to cloud the truth and deceive as many as possible. And the further the world drifts away from the Bible, the closer comes judgement and the 2nd coming of the Messiah.

Surely you don't believe Jesus was hit by a car? Or maybe it was a truck?

Hey look everyone, it's a HERETIC.


HERETIC!!!!!!

[warmonger1981]

Universalchiro


Now that Christmas has been established, what about Gnostics or Apocrypha? Was the Gospel of Judas correct? Why are these books not talked about or who gave church authority to keep these writings from being accepted into mainstream Christianity? It seems paganism runs rampant in the Christian culture. What about the lost years of Jesus? Its pretty odd that we have accounts of the first 12 years then nothing till 30. If Jesus was God and most important it seems strange to not to record his whole life. St.Issa ring a bell or mean anything?

[thegreekdog]

Funny my post was taken down but AOG gets to keep his up. Sucking any mod Dick AOG?

I really want to mess with with AoG's posterior. All I think about is AoG knob.