Random Cup - FULL [16/16]

[uckuki]

Random Cup:

Organizers:
[player]uckuki[/player]
[player]benga[/player]

Deadline for signups: March 15, 2014
Tentative start date: April 1, 2014

Estimated time-frame: all wars should start by April 1 or no more than few days
after that. the length will depend on the number of clans signing up. we would like
to reach the finals before the next season of random league starts (September), so we
don't have similar competitions clogging the calendar. though, more than 8 clans have
signed up already which means at least 4 rounds of competition. I doubt we can finish 3 rounds of full scale
wars by September unless we rush things. so, we should at least have the semi-finals well
on the way before September, if we allow approx. 2.5 months for each round. We don't wanna rush
things and as long as wars proceed at fair pace the cup will proceed in timely fashion.

We don't know yet if we'll have play-ins or byes. That will depend on number of clans.
If the number is for example 14 or 15 it will make more sense to have byes. As March 15 gets closer
we'll have a better picture. if, for instance, there are 16 clans singed up by say March 10 we will close
the competition. I don't like turning people down, but there is plenty of time to sign up and practicality
will take precedence. if you think your clan might like to participate don't wait until the last minute.
just 1 round of plan-ins would significantly extend the timeline.

[spoiler=General Info]Open to all clans
Format: single elimination bracket
Open draw (random), no seeding
Draw will be done using random.org
All clans are eligible
A player can play for only 1 clan[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Wars]61 games (30 + 30 + 1)
Each home set is 10D + 10T + 10Q
If play-ins are needed they will consist of 41 games (20 + 20 + 1; each home set 7D + 7T + 6Q)
Each game worth 1 point
There has to be a tie-breaker. Default: Random Trips, Esc Chained, Sunny or
whatever the warring clans agree to
Default 2 equal batches. Clans can do it differently if they prefer/can agree, but only if
it doesn't impeed the pace. If there are more batches they have to be done in shorter
intervals.
Cach clan creates their home games
Each clan nominates primary and secondary contact
Primary contact creates games
Home team creates thread and asks for privs
Away team can do it if mutually agreed)[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Settings]Random maps only
24 Hour Rounds
Prohibited Settings: manual, freestyle, polymorphic
Prohibited Reinforcements: parachute, none
If used, trench games must have a 30 round limit in case extra large map is drawn
Other settings must have no round limit
12 hour Fog of War rule in effect. If broken, the offending team has to copy/paste
game log and reveal what terrs were visible. If not remedied, the offended team can opt
to remake the game before end of round 1. The rule does not apply to conquest maps
and where the only action is deploy/fort without attacks.
Each player can play max 23 games in a war.
Each clan has to use minimum 10 different players during war.[/spoiler]

[spoiler=Miscellaneous]Disputes should be resolved in amicable fashion, between warring clans. If that is not the case,
organizers [player]uckuki[/player] and [player]benga[/player] will act as arbitrers. If our
decision is not satisfactory, CDs will be consulted as a last resort and their rulling will be
final.[/spoiler]

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Participants:

1. FOED
Primary Contact: [player]uckuki[/player]
Secondary Contact: [player]OutSider[/player]

2. LHDD
Primary Contact: [player]QuikSilver[/player]
Secondary Contact: [player]Momo33[/player]

3. VVV
Primary Contact: [player]mcshanester29[/player]
Secondary Contact: [player]GioDuce[/player]

4. UM8
Primary Contact: [player]crazy4catnip[/player]
Secondary Contact: [player]Jerz[/player]

5. FAD
Primary Contact: [player]Razorvich[/player]
Secondary Contact: [player]Barum Boy[/player]
6. OSA
Primary Contact: [player]benga[/player]
Secondary Contact: [player]silversun6[/player]

7 HH
Primary Contact: [player]Keefie[/player]
Secondary Contact: [player]Johnny Dickshot[/player]

8 FISO
Primary Contact: [player]kizkiz[/player]
Secondary Contact: [player]vid_fiso[/player]

9 GR
Primary Contact: [player]xman5151[/player]
Secondary Contact: [player]kmhebert[/player]

10 G1
Primary Contact: [player]Gilligan[/player]
Secondary Contact: [player]Kinnison[/player]

11 ATL
Primary Contact: [player]shoop76[/player]
Secondary Contact: [player]Genoke[/player]

12 RET
Primary Contact: [player]conde180711[/player]
Secondary Contact: [player]therealdeal_37[/player]

13 Phoenix
Primary Contact: [player]WPBRJ[/player]
Secondary Contact: [player]pearljamrox2[/player]

14 AFOS
Primary Contact: [player]lanyards[/player]
Secondary Contact: [player]gorehound[/player]

15. GoN
Primary Contact: [player]Bantam[/player]
Secondary Contact: [player]TuffyLess[/player]

16. LOW
Primary Contact: [player]Crazyirishman[/player]
Second Contact : [player]chard[/player]

Reserve: TNC
First contact: [player]Epitaph1[/player]
Second: [player]MoB Deadly[/player]



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please post in the thread with name of your clan, primary and
secondary contact

tx

[uckuki]

FOED in

[mcshanester29]

VVV would definitely play in this if it went forward!

[benga]

well you know me

[IcePack]

Doesn't benga already have a random cup?

[uckuki]

Doesn't benga already have a random cup?

that's only side show to random league, same thing like we had clan league/cup.
this would be stand-alone full-scale war competition, like conquer cup.

[Keefie]

HH would be up for this.

[QuikSilver]

LHDD is in!

[uckuki]

I wouldn't mind cutting off signups once we get 8 clans,
to avoid qualifications?

[kizkiz]

Fiso would be in

[uckuki]

can I get some opinions as to the possible draw. I would really like to give every clan equal
chance, no seeding. if we cut off at 8 that resolves it, but then we might have to turn down
people. does anyone mind if we take all sing-ups and then have a completely random draw,
qualifications included?

[WPBRJ]

i think TFFSDYNASTY would love to play but it really comes down to when it starts and if TFFS war has ended. yes we as a new clan would not be aloud to participate until there war is over if i understand the rules of competitive clans goes. if there was a first round bye we would probably be able if your looking to start right away. maybe i am wrong i guess we would need a CD decision on this matter and find out more details of when were and how.

[Momo33]

I don't think that limiting entries to 8 is a good option. Personnally I would try to get the most clans possible and then make a random draw. It will go wil the cup, a random one!

[mcshanester29]

can I get some opinions as to the possible draw. I would really like to give every clan equal
chance, no seeding. if we cut off at 8 that resolves it, but then we might have to turn down
people. does anyone mind if we take all sing-ups and then have a completely random draw,
qualifications included?

i think that taking all who want to participate and then having a completely random draw would fit in perfectly with the format...my 2 cents

[uckuki]

i think TFFSDYNASTY would love to play but it really comes down to when it starts and if TFFS war has ended. yes we as a new clan would not be aloud to participate until there war is over if i understand the rules of competitive clans goes. if there was a first round bye we would probably be able if your looking to start right away. maybe i am wrong i guess we would need a CD decision on this matter and find out more details of when were and how.

what's the name of the new clan?

I'm not 100% sure but I don't see why you wouldn't be allowed to participate. I know there are some
restrictions in regards to F400 ranking and maybe CL/C Cup, but this is a brand new competition
and I don't wanna prevent anyone from participating, other than having required number of players
and the other stuff that usually goes with clan wars. as far as I am concerned you're more than welcome. having other war(s) at the same time is not a problem as long as you can field
enough players.
I haven't set the start date because I first wanted to see if there is enough interest. the wars
themselves wouldn't have to start on a particular date. that can be negotiated between clans.
though, we wouldn't want us all wait too long once things get moving. I'll consult benga to hammer
out rules/procedure in a more detailed fashion.

if I had to suggest a start date I would say month, month and a half from now - April 1?
that gives us plenty of time to prepare. maybe set March 15 as a deadline for signups.
take everyone, have random, open draw, so everyone gets a fair chance (no seeding).

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[WPBRJ]

what's the name of the new clan?

we dont have one yet were working on it

[crazy4catnip]

each home set is 10 + 10 + 10

Does this mean that all 61 games are created at once? 30 per side (10 dubs, 10 trips, 10 quads) plus a tiebreaker?

Any chance we can split the games into multiple rounds to lessen the game load?

-- crazy4catnip

[uckuki]

each home set is 10 + 10 + 10

Does this mean that all 61 games are created at once? 30 per side (10 dubs, 10 trips, 10 quads) plus a tiebreaker?

Any chance we can split the games into multiple rounds to lessen the game load?

-- crazy4catnip

I prefer to leave the batches to the teams to decide, whatever they prefer. I can have as a default 2 batch set up in case
there is no agreement. you don't have to set specific dates, just do next batch once the first winds down, something
like that? whatever works, just don't take long breaks in-between, delay competition.

my estimate is that each round should take two maybe two and a half months, so we can have finals under way before
next season of random league starts (September). so, no rush just don't go snails pace I guess.

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my thinking was to use random.org for draw. unless someone has a better solution.

for qualifiers (if needed) we can do short war - 13 games (4 + 4 + 4 + 1)

[Armandolas]

IMO, if you are going for a "full war" format, then qualifiers should also fit in that system. Maybe 41

[crazy4catnip]

UM8 are in!

-- crazy4catnip

[hopalong]

great initiative, uck. good to see you make use of your free time.
lol

[Leehar]

In terms of the 1 Competitive Clan rule, players can't compete for 2 clans at the same time. Unfortunately, the precedent has already been set with ACE, so TFFS, and the merged clan The Foreskin Dynasty, are seen as separate clans, and so players from TFFS can't play for TFD until their games in tffs-md are complete.

However, that shouldn't affect whether the merged clan can join this competition.
It will just have to be observed diligently that individual players don't start playing in games for the merged clan until their games for 'other clans' are finished.

i think TFFSDYNASTY would love to play but it really comes down to when it starts and if TFFS war has ended. yes we as a new clan would not be aloud to participate until there war is over if i understand the rules of competitive clans goes. if there was a first round bye we would probably be able if your looking to start right away. maybe i am wrong i guess we would need a CD decision on this matter and find out more details of when were and how.

what's the name of the new clan?

I'm not 100% sure but I don't see why you wouldn't be allowed to participate. I know there are some
restrictions in regards to F400 ranking and maybe CL/C Cup, but this is a brand new competition
and I don't wanna prevent anyone from participating, other than having required number of players
and the other stuff that usually goes with clan wars. as far as I am concerned you're more than welcome. having other war(s) at the same time is not a problem as long as you can field
enough players.

[uckuki]

great initiative, uck. good to see you make use of your free time.
lol

[uckuki]

so, new clan can compete as long as they can field enough players without
those active in the ongoing war.

qualifiers, if needed, will be 41 games.

please, only clan reps vote in the poll

[xman5151]

Personally I love this idea! I'm a bigger fan of cups than leagues, and love random maps. Will definitely talk to the rest of the clan and let you know