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mookiemcgee wrote:Republicans doing what republicans do... spending more than democrats while cutting benefits that help the poor and giving tax cuts to people who don't need or deserve them by increasing the federal deficit to levels never before seen... It's so much worse than anything biden ever dreamed of doing.

Thank goodness we don't have the budget Kamala proposed on the campaign trail that actually reduced spending and the deficit. Trump voters got what he promised them and did in his first term...more spending and borrowing.

REALLY

The Democrats who always cut Military Spending...Republicans always have to rebuild the military...
----------------3 Trillion...The Democrats would of blown 10 Trillion...
-----------------The BBB doesn't help Billionaires, as lying Democrats cry, to strike FEAR into people who don't know any better...SO THEY CAN HOLD/STAY IN POWER...Who creates jobs for people, Billionaires...Without The Rich,there wouldn't be jobs for poor people...The Difference with Republicans...They Put AMERICA 1st...They don't care about getting re-elected...WILL CUT USELESS STUFF DEMS HAVE FORCED ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE...Dems never take/cut anything...BECAUSE THEY WANT TO STAY/HOLD ONTO POWER OVER AMERICA...
-----------NEED OR DESERVE WHAT...ILLEGAL ALIENS DRAINING RESOURCES PAID FOR,BY AMERICAN TAX PAYERS...BUT WHEN REAL AMERICANS NEED HELP, THERE IS NONE, ALL THE MONEY/ETC...HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ILLEGAL ALIENS...
--------------I SAID IF I RAN FOR PRESIDENT....MY HEATH CARE , WOULD BE..."WALK IT OFF"....I KNOW PEOPLE WHO , SKIN THEIR KNEES , ETC..,GO TO THE HOSPITAL....BECAUSE, BIG PHARMA HAS AMERICAN FOOLS BRAINWASHED...YOU NEED THIS,THAT...THE TRUTH, THE ONLY THING YOU NEED IS TIME, TIME HEALS ALL WOUNDS...
------------------THANK GOD and TRUMP for THE BBB...

ConfederateSS wrote:

mookiemcgee wrote:Republicans doing what republicans do... spending more than democrats while cutting benefits that help the poor and giving tax cuts to people who don't need or deserve them by increasing the federal deficit to levels never before seen... It's so much worse than anything biden ever dreamed of doing.

Thank goodness we don't have the budget Kamala proposed on the campaign trail that actually reduced spending and the deficit. Trump voters got what he promised them and did in his first term...more spending and borrowing.

-------------REALLY ...
------------------The Democrats who always cut Military Spending...Republicans always have to rebuild the military...
----------------3 Trillion...The Democrats would of blown 10 Trillion...
-----------------The BBB doesn't help Billionaires, as lying Democrats cry, to strike FEAR into people who don't know any better...SO THEY CAN HOLD/STAY IN POWER...Who creates jobs for people, Billionaires...Without The Rich,there wouldn't be jobs for poor people...The Difference with Republicans...They Put AMERICA 1st...They don't care about getting re-elected...WILL CUT USELESS STUFF DEMS HAVE FORCED ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE...Dems never take/cut anything...BECAUSE THEY WANT TO STAY/HOLD ONTO POWER OVER AMERICA...
-----------NEED OR DESERVE WHAT...ILLEGAL ALIENS DRAINING RESOURCES PAID FOR,BY AMERICAN TAX PAYERS...BUT WHEN REAL AMERICANS NEED HELP, THERE IS NONE, ALL THE MONEY/ETC...HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ILLEGAL ALIENS...
--------------I SAID IF I RAN FOR PRESIDENT....MY HEATH CARE , WOULD BE..."WALK IT OFF"....I KNOW PEOPLE WHO , SKIN THEIR KNEES , ETC..,GO TO THE HOSPITAL....BECAUSE, BIG PHARMA HAS AMERICAN FOOLS BRAINWASHED...YOU NEED THIS,THAT...THE TRUTH, THE ONLY THING YOU NEED IS TIME, TIME HEALS ALL WOUNDS...
------------------THANK GOD and TRUMP for THE BBB... ... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

Background on The One, Big, Beautiful Bill:

The typical family will get up to $10,900 in additional take-home pay.

Workers will see increased wages up to $7,200.

Households earning less than $100,000get a 12 percent tax cut compared to today.

Up to 7.2 million jobs protected and created, and 1 million new jobs annually by small businesses.

No tax on tips, overtime pay, car loan interest, and tax relief for seniors will put more money annually in Americans’ pockets, $1,300 per tipped worker specifically, and $1,400 for hourly workers.

Locks in and further boosts the doubled Child Tax Credit to $2,200 for more than 40 million American families.
Locks in and further boosts the doubled Standard Deduction, increasing it to $31,500 for families.

Expands 529 education savings accounts and educational freedom to empower American families and students to choose the education that best fits their needs, whether it is K-12 materials or obtaining a postsecondary trades credential.

Supports working families and small businesses by expanding access to the child care credit and making permanent the paid leave tax credit. Enhances the Adoption tax credit to help more families experience the joy of adoption and grows the child and dependent care credit as well as FSAs.

Puts American families in control of their health care by expanding health savings accounts.

Eliminates fraud and waste in Obamacare and blocks access to taxpayer-funded health benefits for illegal immigrants.

Starts building financial security for America’s children at birth with the creation of new Trump savings accounts.

The One, Big, Beautiful Bill Delivers Biggest Wins for the Working Class

The One, Big, Beautiful Bill Cuts Taxes for Working-Class Families Who Need It Most

In addition to stopping a $1,700 tax increase later this year, the average American family of four making less than $100,000 receives an additional $600 in tax cuts as compared to today.

Working families making between $15,000 and $30,000 will have their taxes cut by 21% –
the largest of any income group.

The package also aligns with the initial House version on age requirements for able-bodied adults to qualify for SNAP benefits. Currently, in order to qualify, able-bodied adults between 18 and 54 must meet work requirements. Both the Senate and House bills would update the age requirement to 18 and 64, with some exemptions for parents.

The final bill passed by the Senate would largely terminate numerous tax incentives from the 2022 Inflation Reduction Act for clean energy, electric vehicles and energy efficiency programs that benefited consumers.

It would end tax credits for new and used electric vehicles, installation of home EV charging equipment and insulation or energy efficient heating and cooling systems.

The bill imposes work requirements for some able-bodied adults and more frequent eligibility checks. (...)

The bill also includes a rural hospital stabilization fund after some GOP senators expressed concern over how rural hospitals could be impacted by the Medicaid restrictions, allocating $50 billion for rural hospitals over the same period that the provider taxes would be lowered.

ConfederateSS wrote:The Democrats who always cut Military Spending...Republicans always have to rebuild the military...

ron paul wrote:The growing opposition to our hyper-interventionist foreign policy is easy to understand. The US has engaged in numerous military actions in many countries including Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria since the beginning of the 21st century. The American people pay for this militarism in several ways. One is the “inflation tax” imposed by the Federal Reserve in order to monetize the debt incurred by the US government for endless wars. President Trump has turned his back on his antiwar supporters by bombing Iran and by increasing military spending to over a trillion dollars.

The Republican insistence on increasing military spending is the main reason Congress cannot cut taxes without increasing the debt, making cuts in domestic welfare programs, or both. If the Republicans want to be the Make America Great Again party, they need to embrace a true America First foreign policy. This means no more regime change wars or US taxpayer supported “color revolutions.” Instead, America should return to the Founders’ vision of a country that, in the words of John Quincy Adams, does not go “abroad in search of monsters to destroy” and instead is “the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all” while “the champion and vindicator only of her own.”

A return to a noninterventionist foreign policy is the only way we will be able to begin to pay down the national debt and restore a government that adheres to the constitutional limits on its powers and respects all the people’s rights all the time.

Dukasaur wrote:

ConfederateSS wrote:The Democrats who always cut Military Spending...Republicans always have to rebuild the military...

Rebuild to what level? You already have the ability to wipe entire countries off the map. What more do you need?

The whole idea of the United States needing a "defense" budget is ludicrous. Nobody is attacking you, except in self-defense. The oceans effectively prevent any major power from Europe or Asia from invading. Your neigbours in the Americas are mostly subservient servants to you. What is the purpose of the "defense" budget? Only to go start trouble in other parts of the world.

https://ronpaulinstitute.org/a-big-beau ... l-complex/

ron paul wrote:The growing opposition to our hyper-interventionist foreign policy is easy to understand. The US has engaged in numerous military actions in many countries including Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria since the beginning of the 21st century. The American people pay for this militarism in several ways. One is the “inflation tax” imposed by the Federal Reserve in order to monetize the debt incurred by the US government for endless wars. President Trump has turned his back on his antiwar supporters by bombing Iran and by increasing military spending to over a trillion dollars.

The Republican insistence on increasing military spending is the main reason Congress cannot cut taxes without increasing the debt, making cuts in domestic welfare programs, or both. If the Republicans want to be the Make America Great Again party, they need to embrace a true America First foreign policy. This means no more regime change wars or US taxpayer supported “color revolutions.” Instead, America should return to the Founders’ vision of a country that, in the words of John Quincy Adams, does not go “abroad in search of monsters to destroy” and instead is “the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all” while “the champion and vindicator only of her own.”

A return to a noninterventionist foreign policy is the only way we will be able to begin to pay down the national debt and restore a government that adheres to the constitutional limits on its powers and respects all the people’s rights all the time.

AI Overview

Sun Tzu, in The Art of War, suggests that a large army can deter war, but not solely by its size. He emphasizes strategic maneuvering, deception, and knowing when to fight or not fight. A large army, when used wisely, can create an aura of strength and invincibility, potentially discouraging potential aggressors. However, Sun Tzu also stresses the importance of psychological warfare, and using a large army effectively means understanding its strengths and weaknesses, and deploying it strategically to exploit the enemy's vulnerabilities.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

Deterrence through Strength:
A large, well-equipped army can create a perception of overwhelming power, potentially deterring other nations from initiating conflict.

jusplay4fun wrote: Let me add that Duk did not answer any of my points and only speaks of Defense/Military spending regarding the bbb.

Eliminates fraud and waste in...

Supports working families and small businesses by expanding access to the child care credit and making permanent the paid leave tax credit. Enhances the Adoption tax credit to help more families experience the joy of adoption and grows the child and dependent care credit as well as FSAs

No tax on tips

overtime pay

Expands 529 education savings accounts and educational freedom to empower American families and students to choose the education that best fits their needs, whether it is K-12 materials or obtaining a postsecondary trades credential.
(...)
Puts American families in control of their health care by expanding health savings accounts.

blocks access to taxpayer-funded health benefits for illegal immigrants.

Up to 7.2 million jobs protected and created, and 1 million new jobs annually by small businesses.

Starts building financial security for America’s children at birth with the creation of new Trump savings accounts.

Dukasaur wrote:

jusplay4fun wrote: Let me add that Duk did not answer any of my points and only speaks of Defense/Military spending regarding the bbb.

Yeah, and I didn't really intend to respond to "your" points. (I put "your" in quotations marks, since they were basically just copy-pasted from Republican propaganda.) I have better things to do with my Sunday than doing point-by-point refutations of propaganda pieces.

But now that you got me going, here's a couple things that jump out at me:

Eliminates fraud and waste in...

Everybody claims they will eliminate fraud and waste. Nobody ever does. Fraud and waste in government programs is systemic. It can be reduced, never eliminated. I haven't seen any evidence that this big ugly bill concretely reduces fraud and waste, but then again, I haven't read it in detail. If you can explain this in your own words, maybe there's something to discuss there. Otherwise, it's just a copy-paste of Republican propaganda without any basis.

Supports working families and small businesses by expanding access to the child care credit and making permanent the paid leave tax credit. Enhances the Adoption tax credit to help more families experience the joy of adoption and grows the child and dependent care credit as well as FSAs

Full of right-wing breeding propaganda. The best thing you can do for your budget is to remain childless. Once you make the fateful decision to have children, all these child tax credits are just slapping a Band-Aid on a gaping wound.

No tax on tips

Already addressed elsewhere.

overtime pay

Similarly stupid. Employers already prefer to cover extra work by making people work overtime instead of by hiring more. Understandably so -- it's a lot easier to get something done by someone who already knows what they're doing than to go through the hassle of hiring and training someone new. While this is good for the company, it's terrible for people. Workers working the extra overtime constantly have stress at home -- rescheduling dinner plans, pissing off their spouses, disappointing their children, missing opportunities to educate themselves or just to chill out and listen to some music. The only compensation is the money, but it rarely truly compensates for the reduced quality of life. Meanwhile, new people find it very hard to break into a field in which they very much would like to work. They're ready and willing, but nobody wants to take the time to bring them in and train them.

Reducing taxes on overtime can only result in increasing the existing problem. Existing workers will face more pressure to take on overtime and worsen their work/life balance, while potential new recruits will find it even harder to get a job in their chosen field.

More stress-related heart attacks among the middle aged, and higher unemployment for youth! How could life get any better?

Expands 529 education savings accounts and educational freedom to empower American families and students to choose the education that best fits their needs, whether it is K-12 materials or obtaining a postsecondary trades credential.
(...)
Puts American families in control of their health care by expanding health savings accounts.

Yeah, yeah. We're going to make health and education more expensive, but we'll allow you to have tax-leveraged savings accounts to soften the burden. Oh gee, thanks!

blocks access to taxpayer-funded health benefits for illegal immigrants.

There is no federal funding for health benefits to illegal immigrants, and in most states illegal immigrants (and often legal ones, also) cannot get any kind of publicly-funded health cared. In those states that choose to provided benefits to immigrants, that's their choice, and not any of the feds' business.

Up to 7.2 million jobs protected and created, and 1 million new jobs annually by small businesses.

Says who? Republican propaganda. Who did this study, and what underlying economic assumptions did they make?

Starts building financial security for America’s children at birth with the creation of new Trump savings accounts.

This is the most obviously self-serving one in the bunch.

The account itself is not a terrible idea, but why slap the asshole's name on it? He didn't invent the concept. Only dictators go around slapping their own name on everything.

For the rich, this account is meaningless. They already have access to better ways to save for their children's future.
For the poor, it's almost useless. $1000 will mean nothing if a family has no disposable income to add to it. In 18 years, it might double three times to $8000, but of course inflation will eat away most of that nominal growth.
For the middle, this actually will be a useful tool. Would be even better if it wasn't polluted with the name of the country's biggest conman.

Dukasaur wrote:

Up to 7.2 million jobs protected and created, and 1 million new jobs annually by small businesses.

Says who? Republican propaganda. Who did this study, and what underlying economic assumptions did they make?

HitRed wrote:Children are a blessing.

The best thing you can do for your budget is to remain childless. Once you make the fateful decision to have children, all these child tax credits are just slapping a Band-Aid on a gaping wound.

Yeah, yeah. We're going to make health and education more expensive, but we'll allow you to have tax-leveraged savings accounts to soften the burden. Oh gee, thanks!

Pack Rat wrote:Who is in office now?

And you totally MISSED my point. Silly rat.

You continue to prove your silliness with each new post, pee rat.

Speaking of Trump, that is why the Big Beautiful Bill is NOW the LAW. He signed the bill into the Law on July 4.

Dukasaur wrote:

jusplay4fun wrote: Let me add that Duk did not answer any of my points and only speaks of Defense/Military spending regarding the bbb.

Yeah, and I didn't really intend to respond to "your" points. (I put "your" in quotations marks, since they were basically just copy-pasted from Republican propaganda.) I have better things to do with my Sunday than doing point-by-point refutations of propaganda pieces.

jusplay4fun wrote:
You failed to address my point about deterrence = Defense, Duk. That was my main point.

That was NOT from my sources of the US House and CBS, but from Sun Tzu.

Dukasaur wrote:

jusplay4fun wrote:
You failed to address my point about deterrence = Defense, Duk. That was my main point.

That was NOT from my sources of the US House and CBS, but from Sun Tzu.

Yeah, deterrence is a thing. If a bully comes on to you, you have to be able to give him a bloody nose.

But let's look at a hypothetical. Let's say you shut down the entire professional defense establishment. All of it except the militia. Turn the Pentagon into a giant homeless shelter or something useful.

Let's say the Chinese load 3 million men onto a giant flotilla and land on your west coast. Yeah, they can take Spokane and Seattle and San Francisco in a couple hours with no professional troops to stop them. Then what? They can't cross the mountains. If they use the roads, the militia blows the bridges. If they try to go cross country, the militia blasts at them from behind trees, and soon enough they learn there's a finite number of good passes through the mountains, and I'm sure you've heard that 300 men can hold a mountain pass against 10,000.

Meanwhile back in Spokane all the gun nuts are having a ball, playing real-life Castle Wolfenstein. The Chinese lose a few hundred a day, just to random shooters.

In Pocatello and Reno and a dozen other old bases, a million veterans are coming out of retirement, firing up some rusty old tanks that were parked in the Surplus graveyards but carefully greased so they would still run even after 25 years. By spring they've reassembled themselves into an army and are surging through the passes that the militia has held for them. Bye, bye Comrade Huang!

Anyway, the whole thing is absurd: the Chinese wouldn't be stupid enough to try such an adventure. My point being that you don't need to be forever enslaved by the military-industrial in the name of "defense". Nobody has any realistic chance of invading you. Your entire professional "defense" establishment exists only to stir up shit in other countries. Protecting your own is theoretically part of its duty, but one that it's unlikely ever to be called upon to use.

jusplay4fun wrote:
AND all these words spoken by a Canadian living under the US Umbrella of a defense shield. As I said before, Duk, you speak on your high horse of moral outrage from a perspective of the shadow of a strong US Defense (or Military, if you wish).