our own captain

mikey6rocker · Post by **mikey6rocker** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 6:52 pm

Tr, our only captain is a cheater, him and need2beers are always in the same games together, and need2beers conviently goes at the same time as tr and deploys his troops to support him when evr tr is low. how has no one noticed this? we need stricter cheater enforcement rules, cause its not fair that i lose games to cheaters, i may as well start cheating myself!!!

Romber · Post by **Romber** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 7:00 pm

its not really cheating. but more of an extreme exploit. Its just really easy way to win. Its more like "lame" or "cheap" tactic.

mikey6rocker · Post by **mikey6rocker** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 7:04 pm

how is that not cheating, he has multiple accounts!!!!

Romber · Post by **Romber** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 10:07 pm

oh i see. I thought you meant he plays with need2beers as a friend. I didn't know he owned both accounts. In that case he is a cheater

EDIT* Oh and dont cheat yourself. That will only be hurting the community more. Let the cheaters cheat. It may get you mad but if you cheat yourself, you are becoming the very thing your against.

kingwaffles · Post by **kingwaffles** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 10:12 pm

I dont think they are cheating, if you look through their entire game history there are a fair amount of games where tr loses to beers. THey are probably just good friends who play next to each other and happen to use a rather cheap tactic.

mikey6rocker · Post by **mikey6rocker** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 10:59 pm

they cant be good friends, they are the same account, look at how they take their turns. look at the times, they are very close to each other. obviousl, he logs in then keeps his turn going and logs in with the other account and plays like that. notice in almost all of his games either he wins or beer wins, hmm something fishy.

mikey6rocker · Post by **mikey6rocker** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 11:00 pm

and also, look at all his doubles games, (he has a lot of them), who is his partner> yeah, its beer.

thegrimsleeper · Post by **thegrimsleeper** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 11:00 pm

well dude, if you're roommates with somebody...

maybe they share a computer, ever think of that?

mikey6rocker · Post by **mikey6rocker** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 11:02 pm

he is a disgrace to us and this site, i will nevre call him my captain. i think he should be strongly demoted for cheating.

mikey6rocker · Post by **mikey6rocker** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 11:03 pm

so if they are roomates, then he plays for 5 sec then gets up and the other guy sits down, then he gats up and plays. why are you even defending him, even if they were roomates no secret alliances aloud. he is a cheater just look at all of his games. its right there in everyones face.

kingwaffles · Post by **kingwaffles** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 11:35 pm

Dude, they could be on computers right next to each other in a computer lab or something like, if you look at a lot of the games ive played with Dgreatbroomhead it looks like that cause weve done the same in our doubles games. All I'm saying is i dont neccesrily think its multiple accounts just secret alliances, which isas you said, cheating.

jraym · Post by **jraym** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:53 pm

Mikey,

You are accusing people of cheating because they take their turns close together? This is a very flawed system, and I guess I would fall into this categorization of a cheater then too. JonasKBlack and I live next door to eachother and we take our turns at the same time while talking on Google talk. We strategize and deploy on eachother when necessary. The object of the game is to win and doing anything that is within the rules is allowed. You need to stop accusing people of cheating just because you are a sore loser. Strategy is strategy and all that matters is that you lost. Move on and stop accusing good people of cheating.

SprCobra · Post by **SprCobra** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:58 pm

^ That is called extremly good planning

mikey6rocker · Post by **mikey6rocker** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:51 pm

you guys are seriously ridiculous, have you even looked at his game log. Im just gunna give up cause you guys are too thivk headed to understand, but when you get in a game with him and get your ass wooped, you will obviously see he is cheating. So just learn form your mistakes.

kingwaffles · Post by **kingwaffles** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:05 pm

They do play very close together in such a pattern that might be seen as one person playing tow accoutsn but look at this from the game log of Game 3995. I think thats enough proof that its not two people with one account.

2006-02-23 01:24:22 - need2beers gets a card
2006-02-23 01:24:22 - tr71123 gets a card

mikey6rocker · Post by **mikey6rocker** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:23 pm

even if it wasnt 2 accounts, they are still discussing their sratagy and having illigal alliances which is cheating.

kingwaffles · Post by **kingwaffles** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:18 pm

They may have been having an illegal allianace which would be cheating, but I dont think you should come out and make a topic yelling and declaring thema cheater. A better way to do it would be to say you think there was some suspicious behavior rather than saying cheater straight out.

mikey6rocker · Post by **mikey6rocker** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:21 pm

ok, i believe tr71123 is a cheater and he shouldnt be captain.

dagreatbroomhead · Post by **dagreatbroomhead** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:39 pm

got to just take a breath and relax, in doubles games you are allowed to talk outside the in game thread. its not an alliance, its strategy, and even if they still play free for all games together i am sure they'll be like, "okay we'll just stick to doubles games from now on"

zorba_ca · Post by **zorba_ca** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 10:18 pm

I have to say that when I first read the post I couldn't figure out how one player was "supporting" another until I looked up the game and realized it's a doubles game.

Knowing this, it's pretty obvious that there is no cheating or suspicious behaviour or anything even approaching illegality going on here. For the record, one player controlling multiple accounts is actually a disadvantage in team games compared to two separate players playing simultaneously. The latter allows for quicker deployment and faster strikes.

Mikey...you even won game #1876 as a singles game against one of these guys. Congrats on that! They are good players!

Judas Iscariot · Post by **Judas Iscariot** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 10:55 pm

After reviewing tr's games I will have to say I think he is a cheater. I think that he and need2beers used the account called computer to cheat. In every game that computer was in he surrendered as soon as the game started, never even taking a turn. This account had to be a second account that they were using because no rational person would join every game with the two of them and immediately quit. This in and of itself is cheating and shows that tr does not follow the rules. I think he should definitely be stripped of rank or banned from playing with beers

zorba_ca · Post by **zorba_ca** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:29 am

I think that he and need2beers used the account called computer to cheat. In every game that computer was in he surrendered as soon as the game started, never even taking a turn. This account had to be a second account that they were using because no rational person would join every game with the two of them and immediately quit. This in and of itself is cheating

This does not mean they were cheating. Neither of them gained anything by this action since "computer" was a deadbeat. Also, they did not do this in games where others were playing. The best explanation is that two friends wanted to play a 1 vs. 1 game and this was the best method of doing it. I happen to agree with them.

In sum: No gain to the players in question + no loss to any 3rd (or 4th or 5th) party = No Cheating.

need2beers · Post by **need2beers** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 5:28 pm

I'd like to address all of you who think tr71123 and i are cheating. First off the issue of playing against the computer. Tr71123 and myself are friends who don't even live in the same state. When we first found this website we wanted to play against each other but there weren't as many players as we have now and we didn't like the fact that it took us 3 days to finish one game. So i came up with an idea to be able to play heads up. I created the computer name and then we would play each other. We weren't doing it to better our rating or to try and gain points. We just enjoyed finishing a game within in the hour. Lack then let me know we couldn't do that and that he was making some improvements to the website to possible shorten the time between turns. He also took away all the points we had earned playing against the computer and asked me not to use the computer account that i created. So i have not used that account again. We also never used that account against anyone beside ourselves.

Next about the issue of us "cheating". We have yet to cheat or have any hidden alliances. We started playing doubles game where we are on the same team. There is nothing sneaky or forbidden about coming up with a strategy together. We figure out where the best place to attack is and what the best way to accomplish that is. Just because we discuss what we should do before we do it doesn't make us cheaters. We are just making sure we are both on the same page before we start attacking random spots. There is nothing wrong with coming up with a game plan. That is why we have won so many games. Other teams don't communicate well and are not going after the right countries or fortifying men where their partner may need more men. We do...Hopefully this explains and helps everyone understand that we are not cheaters. Good luck to all of you in your games and I'm sure this will become an even better website than it already is.

Sincerely

need2beers

kingwaffles · Post by **kingwaffles** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 5:36 pm

This is exactly what I've been tryng to say all along, just becasue you work well together doesnt make you cheaters, as I have said before I use the same strategy with my partner. Now I think we shoudl just let this whole thing rest and stop the mud slinging.

supermarcol · Post by **supermarcol** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 6:31 pm

I can say I'm getting my ass whooped by these 2, and its all fair!

our own captain

our own captain

No problem at all

This still isn't cheating