Abortion

slash1890 · Post by **slash1890** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:39 pm

What is your position and why?

stinkycheese · Post by **stinkycheese** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:42 pm

Kill it, there are too many people in the world!

cowshrptrn · Post by **cowshrptrn** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:42 pm

i believe that in the first trimester a fetus is hardly developed enough to be considered a life, and that the mother has every right to not bring a life into the world that is her and the father's responsibility at that curent time.

I also believe that this thread's discussion is in about 50 other different threads.

strike wolf · Post by **strike wolf** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:43 pm

Pro-life. It just seems wrong to not give a person a chance.

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:47 pm

Pro-life because no one has the right to end life but God.

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:52 pm

Maddox wrote:Looking for a safe stance on abortion? Me neither.

I'm tired of political candidates pussy-footing delicately around the issue of abortion. Every time I turn on the TV, there's always some group of hippies protesting "for choice" or "for life." Each group pisses the other off, and no candidate will take a strong enough stance on the issue of abortion, so I've decided to form a political party of my own: The Regressive Party.

I have a different stance on abortion: I'm against abortion, but for killing babies. That way everyone loses, and I win. I'm neither pro choice, nor pro life; I'm pro you-shutting-the-hell-up. The only way I'd be "pro choice" is if it meant I could choose which babies I could abort, and only then if I could lift the age restriction to 80. I was at this mall the other day watching some shitty documentary when I came out of the theater and saw old people dancing to country music in the courtyard. I couldn't remember the last time I saw a group of people begging this hard to be aborted.

Kind of the extreme form of my opinion.

cowshrptrn · Post by **cowshrptrn** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:59 pm

jay_a2j wrote:Pro-life because no one has the right to end life but God.

and, apparently, our state judicial system. I dont' know your stance on the death penalty, but if you're pro- giving life a chance i really hope you're also anti-death penalty

vtmarik wrote:
Maddox wrote:Looking for a safe stance on abortion? Me neither.

I'm tired of political candidates pussy-footing delicately around the issue of abortion. Every time I turn on the TV, there's always some group of hippies protesting "for choice" or "for life." Each group pisses the other off, and no candidate will take a strong enough stance on the issue of abortion, so I've decided to form a political party of my own: The Regressive Party.

I have a different stance on abortion: I'm against abortion, but for killing babies. That way everyone loses, and I win. I'm neither pro choice, nor pro life; I'm pro you-shutting-the-hell-up. The only way I'd be "pro choice" is if it meant I could choose which babies I could abort, and only then if I could lift the age restriction to 80. I was at this mall the other day watching some shitty documentary when I came out of the theater and saw old people dancing to country music in the courtyard. I couldn't remember the last time I saw a group of people begging this hard to be aborted.

Kind of the extreme form of my opinion.

I LOVE the regressive partly, based solely on its logo! (with a logo as awesome as that, who gives a shit about policy?)

slash1890 · Post by **slash1890** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:01 pm

jay_a2j wrote:Pro-life because no one has the right to end life but God.

Right now, while I'm not having sex, am I a murderer? Thousands of sperm inside of me are dying as I'm typing this, and all of them could be potential lives. How is that different from a fetus without a functioning brain? Am I killing millions of people each day by not letting them reach an egg? It's not my choice. Even if I was constantly engaging in sexual intercourse, only one of the millions of sperm I ejaculate would be reaching the egg to produce life anyway.

Sammy gags · Post by **Sammy gags** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:20 pm

i think that it sould be the parent's choice, not the government's

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:25 pm

Sammy gags wrote:i think that it sould be the parent's choice, not the government's

Nor the Church or its members.

Sammy gags · Post by **Sammy gags** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:28 pm

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:38 pm

slash1890 wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:Pro-life because no one has the right to end life but God.

Right now, while I'm not having sex, am I a murderer? Thousands of sperm inside of me are dying as I'm typing this, and all of them could be potential lives. How is that different from a fetus without a functioning brain? Am I killing millions of people each day by not letting them reach an egg? It's not my choice. Even if I was constantly engaging in sexual intercourse, only one of the millions of sperm I ejaculate would be reaching the egg to produce life anyway.

Sperm do not have souls.

And to the poster who asked....yes I am against the death penalty.

slash1890 · Post by **slash1890** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:41 pm

I agree with you jay, unborn fetuses do not have souls either. (/sarcasm)

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:41 pm

jay_a2j wrote:Sperm do not have souls.

What about the female gamete? The egg?

Do eggs have souls?

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:42 pm

vtmarik wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:Sperm do not have souls.

What about the female gamete? The egg?

Do eggs have souls?

No, I believe when the sperm fertilizes the egg is when the soul enters the child.

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:45 pm

jay_a2j wrote:No, I believe when the sperm fertilizes the egg is when the soul enters the child.

I submit to you, that since the sperm has no soul and that the egg has no soul, by the principle of "you can't get something from nothing" AKA "Life cannot come from non-life" that you can't get a soul out of no soul.

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:46 pm

vtmarik wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:No, I believe when the sperm fertilizes the egg is when the soul enters the child.

I submit to you, that since the sperm has no soul and that the egg has no soul, by the principle of "you can't get something from nothing" AKA "Life cannot come from non-life" that you can't get a soul out of no soul.

Unless the soul is breathed into the child by God, at conception.

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:49 pm

jay_a2j wrote:Unless the soul is breathed into the child by God, at conception.

And you call people like Mirak and backglass close-minded. You can't even bring yourself to say "While I disagree with you, I can understand how you can come to that conclusion."

Paulicus · Post by **Paulicus** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:05 pm

I'm pro-life but what it all ends up being is the parents choice.
On the other side of things better to abort than throw a newborn in a dumpster... but then again there is always adoption?

Blitzkreig · Post by **Blitzkreig** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:07 pm

While I am convinced that once the sperm and egg meet, it is a person and shouldn't be killed.... I don't think people will ever agree on this issue.

If you can't handle the enormous responsibility of a child, well then you shouldn't have sex.

Paulicus · Post by **Paulicus** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:21 pm

If people could control themselves in regards to sex we wouldn't have AIDS now would we.

mizery24 · Post by **mizery24** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:49 am

Abortion is just a quick fix to a problem. If you have sex and become pregnant, then it is now your responsibility to take on that life. Abortion should not be the solution. There are many families out there that can't have babies that are looking for babies through adoption. If you do not want the baby then give it to the state. A baby is a Living thing. I am against abortion but for adoption.
This goes for women that are raped as well. Its not the babies fault.

Backglass · Post by **Backglass** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:35 am

Paulicus wrote:I'm pro-life but what it all ends up being is the parents choice.

Huh? Thats like saying "I am against the death penalty but hey, if the state wants to kill a convict, then ok". :lol:

You my friend are pro-choice. (THE HORROR!!!!

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YOU might do something different, but arent going to impose your beliefs on others. Thank You.

Paulicus wrote:If people could control themselves in regards to sex we wouldn't have AIDS now would we.

Please read some more about HIV. I guess all those intravenous drug users are just having too much sex? :roll:

Knight of Orient · Post by **Knight of Orient** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:38 am

I think he means people sleep around with everyone=not good

Sammy gags · Post by **Sammy gags** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:05 am

jay_a2j wrote:
vtmarik wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:Sperm do not have souls.

What about the female gamete? The egg?

Do eggs have souls?

No, I believe when the sperm fertilizes the egg is when the soul enters the child.

where did u come up with that?

Abortion

What is your stance on abortion?

Abortion