Continuation of Christianity debate.

manicman · Post by **manicman** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:15 pm

Let's pick up where we left off.

millej11 · Post by **millej11** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:16 pm

lets not

DIRESTRAITS · Post by **DIRESTRAITS** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:17 pm

If we forbid jay, backglass, vt marik, and Rev. Kyle from posting, it should be ok

Caleb the Cruel · Post by **Caleb the Cruel** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:25 pm

manicman wrote:Actually back before the printing press there were tons of copies of the bible that didn't correspond. And even assuming the present one is correct in the historical events how does that prevent them from making up crazy crap about the supernatural parts of it.
And if Jesus was the son of god why did he get killed in such a painful way? Couldn't he have avoided that with his god powers.

Okay,
Jesus lived to die. It was the plan. Yes, He could have avoided it, but then the plan wouldn't have succeeded and nobody would be able to have their sins forgiven.

The way that you phrase your questions gives me the feeling that you've never read much of the Bible and therefore have no idea what you're really arguing against, but that's just how you're rubbing off on me.

manicman · Post by **manicman** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:29 pm

No actually I was leading into something.
Couldn't God have forgiven humanity's sins without getting Jesus killed?

DIRESTRAITS · Post by **DIRESTRAITS** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:30 pm

Oops, I almost forgot to tell Caleb to keep away from this thread to :oops:

Caleb the Cruel · Post by **Caleb the Cruel** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:37 pm

manicman wrote:Couldn't God have forgiven humanity's sins without getting Jesus killed?

Basically, the reason Jesus had to die for our sins was so that we could be forgiven and go to be with the Lord. Jesus is God in flesh (John 1:1,14; Col. 2:9) and only God can satisfy the Law requirements of a perfect life and perfect sacrifice that cleanses us of our sins.
All people have sinned against God. But, God is infinitely holy and righteous. He must punish the sinner, the Law breaker. If He didn't, then His law is not law for there is no law that is a law without a punishment. The punishment for breaking the Law is death, separation from God. Therefore, we sinners need a way to escape the righteous judgment of God. Since we are stained by sin and cannot keep the Law of God, then the only one who could do what we cannot is God Himself. That is why Jesus is God in flesh. He is both divine and human. He was made under the Law (Gal. 4:5-6) and He fulfilled it perfectly. Therefore, His sacrifice to God the Father on our behalf is of infinite value and is sufficient to cleanse all people from their sins and undo the offense to God.

Rom. 8:3-4, "For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh. 4in order that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit."

1 Peter 2:24, "and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed."

DIRESTRAITS · Post by **DIRESTRAITS** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:43 pm

DIRESTRAITS wrote:Oops, I almost forgot to tell Caleb to keep away from this thread to

CALEB. DIDNT YOU SEE THIS POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO POSTING FOR YOU

manicman · Post by **manicman** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:52 pm

If God is all powerful then he should be able to forgive the sinner regardless of punishment or not. That's the nature of being all powerful.

Backglass · Post by **Backglass** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:13 pm

DIRESTRAITS wrote:If we forbid jay, backglass, vt marik, and Rev. Kyle from posting, it should be ok

<yawn> I have come to realize you cant argue with the insane, and if you believe in magical beings....you are.

DIRESTRAITS · Post by **DIRESTRAITS** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:25 pm

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

not another one. (at least jay hasnt shown up yet)

stinkycheese · Post by **stinkycheese** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:26 pm

God Bless You All!

Sammy gags · Post by **Sammy gags** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:44 pm

Backglass wrote:
DIRESTRAITS wrote:If we forbid jay, backglass, vt marik, and Rev. Kyle from posting, it should be ok

<yawn> I have come to realize you cant argue with the insane, and if you believe in magical beings....you are.

thats y i usually just stear clear of these threads

DIRESTRAITS · Post by **DIRESTRAITS** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:56 pm

I also usually stay away from these threads, but if those mentioned above would stay away, they would be a lot better

morph · Post by **morph** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:09 pm

i come to things like this to call on the all mighty powers of p grizzle to kill threads and to get my post count up... aaannnnd before i leave

ALL MIGHTY P GRIZZLE HEAR THIS PLEA, YOU ARE THE ONE TRUE THREAD KILLER, PLEASE COME AND STOP THIS THREAD FROM GOING FORTH AND BECOMING EVEN MORE RETARDED AND STUPID.....*bows and does ritual dance to bring forth da P Grizzle*

Caleb the Cruel · Post by **Caleb the Cruel** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:08 am

manicman wrote:If God is all powerful then he should be able to forgive the sinner regardless of punishment or not. That's the nature of being all powerful.

God did have the power to forgive without the death of Jesus, but then the Bible prophecies of Jesus would not be true, making it so we could not trust Him. But God stuck with the plan to send Jesus to die for our sins, so therefore you should believe the entire Bible as the direct and true Word of God.

DIRESTRAITS · Post by **DIRESTRAITS** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:11 am

CALEB! I told you not to post her. Leave.

Caleb the Cruel · Post by **Caleb the Cruel** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:19 am

DIRESTRAITS wrote:CALEB! I told you not to post her. Leave.

1. I believe you mean 'here' not 'her'.
2. I'll post here, for now, because this keeps manicman from spamming my recruitment thread in the Callouts.
3. If you don't want me to post 'her', give up, because I'll post as long as I feel like it.

DIRESTRAITS · Post by **DIRESTRAITS** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:23 am

Caleb the Cruel wrote:
DIRESTRAITS wrote:CALEB! I told you not to post her. Leave.

1. I believe you mean 'here' not 'her'.
2. I'll post here, for now, because this keeps manicman from spamming my recruitment thread in the Callouts.
3. If you don't want me to post 'her', give up, because I'll post as long as I feel like it.

okay, I made a typo. And im suprised a christian like you would talk like that.

ohh, and one mare think.

STOP POSTING YOU F*CKHEAD. CC RELIGION DEBATES ARE THE DUMBEST THING EVER. EVERYONE ELSE ON THE LIST HAS STAYED AWAY, EVEN JAY. WHY CANT YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thelewis · Post by **thelewis** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:57 am

just one question...were did the dinosaurs come from? pretty sure they wouldnt fit in the garden of eden.....

and mary was married to joseph for how long? and didnt have sex? imaculate conception.....reeeeaaaaalllyyyy...

And what happened to jesus between 15-30 cos it aint in that great "factual" book know as the bible.

Annnnd how about all those missing gosbels...as the bible is only made up of about 30 percent of what was written..

oh i could sit here and poke holes in religion all day but im sure i would either killed/bombed/slted/called the devil/told im going to hell etc etc.

but on one note i will add...how many deaths have been caused in the name of religion..(or should i say the difference in beliefs..

Cant we all just get along

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:11 am

DIRESTRAITS wrote:CC RELIGION DEBATES ARE THE DUMBEST THING EVER.

Then why start another one? And for that matter, why post in it?

MeDeFe · Post by **MeDeFe** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:41 am

Posts: 5

GOGOGO thelewis!

You have to love it when someone new comes along and brings up all the arguments (again). Go ahead and answer him, Caleb.

heavycola · Post by **heavycola** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:04 am

Well, having read Caleb's posts, and having read and finally understood some of Jay's more delicate arguments, I have had an epiphany of my own and have decided to convert to satanism. So these threads have had a purpose after all.

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:18 am

thelewis wrote:just one question...were did the dinosaurs come from? pretty sure they wouldnt fit in the garden of eden.....

and mary was married to joseph for how long? and didnt have sex? imaculate conception.....reeeeaaaaalllyyyy...

And what happened to jesus between 15-30 cos it aint in that great "factual" book know as the bible.

Annnnd how about all those missing gosbels...as the bible is only made up of about 30 percent of what was written..

oh i could sit here and poke holes in religion all day but im sure i would either killed/bombed/slted/called the devil/told im going to hell etc etc.

but on one note i will add...how many deaths have been caused in the name of religion..(or should i say the difference in beliefs..

Cant we all just get along

(chuckles)

1. dinosaurs: were pre-garden of Eden. They had become extinct before the creation of man.

2. immaculate conception: um yes, back in those times it was common to wait till marriage to um, do the nasty.

3. Jesus 15-30: He grew up. There are a lot of things not in the Bible. Could you imagine how much bigger it would be if everything was in it?

4. Missing Gospels: There are no missing Gospels, the ones in the Bible are the ones God wanted there.

5: Poking holes: You could go on all day making ridiculous statements but you haven't yet poked a hole.

heavycola · Post by **heavycola** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:45 am

jay_a2j wrote:
thelewis wrote:just one question...were did the dinosaurs come from? pretty sure they wouldnt fit in the garden of eden.....

and mary was married to joseph for how long? and didnt have sex? imaculate conception.....reeeeaaaaalllyyyy...

And what happened to jesus between 15-30 cos it aint in that great "factual" book know as the bible.

Annnnd how about all those missing gosbels...as the bible is only made up of about 30 percent of what was written..

oh i could sit here and poke holes in religion all day but im sure i would either killed/bombed/slted/called the devil/told im going to hell etc etc.

but on one note i will add...how many deaths have been caused in the name of religion..(or should i say the difference in beliefs..

Cant we all just get along

(chuckles)

1. dinosaurs: were pre-garden of Eden. They had become extinct before the creation of man.

(chuckles) bible ref pls

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