CRICKET: SILLY MID-ON

[lord voldemort]

your update solved my problem with the sixes..the borders and stuff..
still confusion with tc6 and sc6 as to who is the closest fielder ie the legend
public 1 to pulic 14...on the map it looks kinda tacky imo the dotted line tunnel
also not sure if you answered this public into pavillion?? i suppose thats the same problem with the tackiness of the tunnel..in that its cluttered and a lil bit confusing..
just general thoughts..i have more but im off now

[porkenbeans]

Here for the review.
Well, right off the bat I would have to say, that, I am not very keen on "cricket". Being an American, I just do not have any knowledge of the game. That being said, I am sure that with cairns name on this map, it WILL be very accurate and well thought out. And I am sure that if I took the time to learn the game and the map, I might even like it. Its just that I am not really interested in it. Sorry brother, just my honest reaction. If it is any consolation, Prohibition Chicago is my favorite map. All the research that went into making it historically accurate is acknowledged and appreciated. I absolutely love that map.
You can't please all the people all the time, I guess.

[cairnswk]

Here for the review.
Well, right off the bat I would have to say, that, I am not very keen on "cricket". Being an American, I just do not have any knowledge of the game. That being said, I am sure that with cairns name on this map, it WILL be very accurate and well thought out. And I am sure that if I took the time to learn the game and the map, I might even like it. Its just that I am not really interested in it. Sorry brother, just my honest reaction. If it is any consolation, Prohibition Chicago is my favorite map. All the research that went into making it historically accurate is acknowledged and appreciated. I absolutely love that map.
You can't please all the people all the time, I guess.

porkenbeans...thanks for your comments, i appreciate the time you've taken to come in and post.
Of course, this was never going to be everyone's cup-of-tea since i know lots of Americans wouldn't know about Cricket since Baseball and Basketball are more the Nationals Games. So i can only hope some others who do know will post also

[cairnswk]

your update solved my problem with the sixes..the borders and stuff..
still confusion with tc6 and sc6 as to who is the closest fielder ie the legend
public 1 to pulic 14...on the map it looks kinda tacky imo the dotted line tunnel
also not sure if you answered this public into pavillion?? i suppose thats the same problem with the tackiness of the tunnel..in that its cluttered and a lil bit confusing..
just general thoughts..i have more but im off now

pleae refresh your browser...
tc6 now has closest fielder as Deep Mid-on (removal of Slips position)
sc6...i've moved Point back so there is no doubt as to that being closest.
I hope the path around the pavillion and re-arrangement of terts in the pavillion makes it clearer.
Note also the borders of PC4 & 5 with the two public positions.

Still to do: Fix the Scoreboard and the top legend.

Still version 6

Click image to enlarge.

[lord voldemort]

ok nice update..pavillion looks good now and the police bordering the public to there is good..makes it not confusing...and is prolly correct cricket wise..ie security for players..
in my opinion these 6's hs6 and as6 are still confusing...
i suggest hs6..move it to a more forward square leggish position
as for as6..i dont know how to remove the confusion of which it borders unless u move the cover fielder
also just to clarify..spectators dont acculumate a bonus??? except barmy and ozzy army

[cairnswk]

ok nice update..pavillion looks good now and the police bordering the public to there is good..makes it not confusing...and is prolly correct cricket wise..ie security for players..
in my opinion these 6's hs6 and as6 are still confusing...
i suggest hs6..move it to a more forward square leggish position
as for as6..i dont know how to remove the confusion of which it borders unless u move the cover fielder
also just to clarify..spectators dont acculumate a bonus??? except barmy and ozzy army

LV. i'm moving some fieldsmen around, but in doing so and checking positions...i realise that all the shot positions that are named on field, should be coming from Batsman 2.
What happens in our case, when Batsman 1 is on strike at his end of the field and the bowler is bowling from the opposite direction (ie from near where wicket-keeper is), do the field positions get changed over to suit the view of the batsman.
If this is the case, then there should be replication of the southern end positions on the northern side....if you understand what i mean.

[cairnswk]

Still version 6

Click image to enlarge.

[Gypsys Kiss]

LV. i'm moving some fieldsmen around, but in doing so and checking positions...i realise that all the shot positions that are named on field, should be coming from Batsman 2.
What happens in our case, when Batsman 1 is on strike at his end of the field and the bowler is bowling from the opposite direction (ie from near where wicket-keeper is), do the field positions get changed over to suit the view of the batsman.

Sort of, yes. Its up to the captain and bowler where they want the fielders, and this will depend on who the batsman is.

If this is the case, then there should be replication of the southern end positions on the northern side....if you understand what i mean.

No!......I mean, yes I understand, but the answer is no. They change ends after every over(fielding side, not the batsmen), so it wont apply to this map.

And for all you Americans(and anyone else who doesnt know) here is a brief description on how cricket is played.

You have two sides, one out in the field and one in.
Each man that's in the side that's in goes out, and when
he's out he comes in and the next man goes in until he's
out. When they are all out, the side that's out comes in
and the side that's been in goes out and tries to get
those coming in, out. Sometimes you get men still in
and not out. When a man goes out to go in, the men who
are out try to get him out, and when he is out he goes
in and the next man in goes out and goes in. There are two
men called umpires who stay out all the time and they
decide when the men who are in are out. When both sides
have been in and all the men have been given out, and
both sides have been out twice after all the men have
been in, including those who are not out, that is the
end of the game!

its 5.45am and I need some sleep.....I'll come back later with more comments/suggestions

[Dexsting]

Nice updates. And my drunken nit picky and suggestion hat is on snug (and I'm in a good mood 'cause my Brewers won...though scarily and barely)

I think saying, "harrassed by a streaker" sounds better than harrassed by streaker.

I still vehemently believe that to get the four bonus, you shouldn't need the fielder as well! If you think of the game, you don't want the fielder as the batsman, you want to get it -past- the fielder and only hold the battsman and the four. And if you get the fielder too, then you only get 1 bonus instead of 2.

[move the dash to before the break]
Deep Off-
Side 4

The Police: If they border each other, they also border the territories next to them, but does each police border each adjacent territory? Like do they all border Batsman 5? If not, do they all border the territories that are along thier lines, IE Batsman 3, or Wickety, or Public 8? Maybe if you got rid of Policman 4 and just had a strait line through the impassables to policman 5?

Could you make Bunter and Dad & Ali and Sig a croked border like the other borders around the other sixes to avoid initial confusion if the six is blocking those two?

I think the legend is still confusing when it talks about runs, four and six/sixes as in the top left they're not called runs, four or six/sixes. The Batsman and Runs I could see people confusing as every run (2, 4, 6) not just the two.

This may be too difficult for the game, but maybe make the bonuses hold -both- batsman? I know this isn't -really- cricket, but you'd need both runners to run to score anything...That might be more odd and readjust the runs to all come from batsman 2...but this is just a light unthought-out as yet suggestion to think upon.

Finally, the sixes thrown back to the map, I think you said you're working on fielder placement...some could be misunderstood which is closer; especially if a four's dotted line makes the eye lean toward that fielder. Example, HS6 may have Deep-Mid-on be the closest fielder, but with that dotted line it can look that Mid Wicket is actually closer...maybe a really lighter colored dotted line?

I speak up out of love for this map, Its looking great!

[lord voldemort]

i can help you with field positions..having played cricket...
the naming of the positions is relative to the batter on strike...
however i think for this map you should name the fielding positions on where they are as we see them if a rh batter was batting...

[cairnswk]

i can help you with field positions..having played cricket...
the naming of the positions is relative to the batter on strike...
however i think for this map you should name the fielding positions on where they are as we see them if a rh batter was batting...

Thanks LV....that's what i thought.
So do i need to change all the dotted lines so that they are coming from the strikers end, or are they OK as is?

[lord voldemort]

i can help you with field positions..having played cricket...
the naming of the positions is relative to the batter on strike...
however i think for this map you should name the fielding positions on where they are as we see them if a rh batter was batting...

Thanks LV....that's what i thought.
So do i need to change all the dotted lines so that they are coming from the strikers end, or are they OK as is?

i reckon strikers end...
though this will change gameplay quite a bit...
though i think i saw you mention neutrals somewhere

[cairnswk]

i can help you with field positions..having played cricket...
the naming of the positions is relative to the batter on strike...
however i think for this map you should name the fielding positions on where they are as we see them if a rh batter was batting...

Thanks LV....that's what i thought.
So do i need to change all the dotted lines so that they are coming from the strikers end, or are they OK as is?

i reckon strikers end...
though this will change gameplay quite a bit...
though i think i saw you mention neutrals somewhere

OK, if that the case, then we'll need to put some conditions on the batsmen.
If i change all the fielding positions to coming off batsman 2 (receiver) then i think perhaps it would be good to implement that both batsmen have to be held plus any 4/6 whatever for the bonus to take effect.
(sorry, bedtime now, early lectures tomorrow)
Thanks for the discussion LV.

[lord voldemort]

i can help you with field positions..having played cricket...
the naming of the positions is relative to the batter on strike...
however i think for this map you should name the fielding positions on where they are as we see them if a rh batter was batting...

Thanks LV....that's what i thought.
So do i need to change all the dotted lines so that they are coming from the strikers end, or are they OK as is?

i reckon strikers end...
though this will change gameplay quite a bit...
though i think i saw you mention neutrals somewhere

OK, if that the case, then we'll need to put some conditions on the batsmen.
If i change all the fielding positions to coming off batsman 2 (receiver) then i think perhaps it would be good to implement that both batsmen have to be held plus any 4/6 whatever for the bonus to take effect.
(sorry, bedtime now, early lectures tomorrow)
Thanks for the discussion LV.

yer i agree...
perhaps change batsmen 1 and 2...
seeing batsmen 1 on strike makes more sense...to me that is

[cairnswk]

Oh no, we lost ....again
Congrats to England on re-gaining the Ashes this year.

[cairnswk]

They even had fireworks, Veuve Clicquot and Crystal...what a mixture!

[brian fletcher]

thanks cairns.
we did play better than your lot over the 5 tests but im sure you`ll have rebuilt and hammer us again in 18 months time.

[lord voldemort]

thanks cairns.
we did play better than your lot over the 5 tests but im sure you`ll have rebuilt and hammer us again in 18 months time.

ponting and clarke ran out...that right there ended it

[cairnswk]

So what else do you want on this one?

[lord voldemort]

i can help you with field positions..having played cricket...
the naming of the positions is relative to the batter on strike...
however i think for this map you should name the fielding positions on where they are as we see them if a rh batter was batting...

Thanks LV....that's what i thought.
So do i need to change all the dotted lines so that they are coming from the strikers end, or are they OK as is?

i reckon strikers end...
though this will change gameplay quite a bit...
though i think i saw you mention neutrals somewhere

OK, if that the case, then we'll need to put some conditions on the batsmen.
If i change all the fielding positions to coming off batsman 2 (receiver) then i think perhaps it would be good to implement that both batsmen have to be held plus any 4/6 whatever for the bonus to take effect.
(sorry, bedtime now, early lectures tomorrow)
Thanks for the discussion LV.

yer i agree...
perhaps change batsmen 1 and 2...
seeing batsmen 1 on strike makes more sense...to me that is

bolded fyi

[cairnswk]

yer i agree...
perhaps change batsmen 1 and 2...
seeing batsmen 1 on strike makes more sense...to me that is

bolded fyi

Noted.

[lord voldemort]

there was more than just that.

[cairnswk]

what's happened to England?

[lord voldemort]

what's happened to England?

they are no good
flintoff pretty much

his run out won them the ashes

[khazalid]

shite it did, straussy's batting was the linchpin. they are lucky brett lee was not playing in the ashes, there's no way they would have won if he had played.

england have always been shite at odi cricket btw. the CT will only solidify this time honoured tradition of sucking, wait and see!