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Then why defend it in anyway what so ever? You should not have suggested there was an excuse.PLAYER57832 wrote:I don't agree with their protest, the day they chose or any other part of it.
We can't, because it was directed at the soldiers themselves. That's my issue.PLAYER57832 wrote:That said, I think all such issues should be kept seperate from the soldiers themselves.
Who said anything about them hating the country that they are living in? - They have a problem with the military occupations that their country is currently involved in. That doesn't mean that they do not want to live in the UK, but they are just letting everyone know the problem they have with the current military occupations (sure, the choice and style of the way they went about it could have done with a bit more decorum) but it doesn't mean that they should be deported.2dimes wrote:What is the debate? If these morons hate a country they reside in that much I feel said country should assist them in departure.
You seem to think this is something I just invented. It isn't. And it's not about ignorance, its about different symbols meaning different things to different people. The swastika once had an honorable tradition, symbolism. It has been "forever" tainted to most people in the west. If I see that in an Eastern painting, etc, I know it has another meaning. Even so, I know many people who would take offense at anysuch display, no matter the context.2dimes wrote: If it happened in july I could buy the "but the poppies represent opium." excuse. It was november 11th and coupled with their signs, the poppies full well represented flanders fields.
Except, you were more than happy to excuse ignorance in those who claimed this was a fine example of Islam.2dimes wrote: If they were ignorant of that I don't care and refuse to sympthise with you or them.
Are you joking around here? Do you think this would have went the same way in your country. I suspect it wouldn't.radiojake wrote:Who said anything about them hating the country that they are living in? - They have a problem with the military occupations that their country is currently involved in. That doesn't mean that they do not want to live in the UK, but they are just letting everyone know the problem they have with the current military occupations (sure, the choice and style of the way they went about it could have done with a bit more decorum) but it doesn't mean that they should be deported.2dimes wrote:What is the debate? If these morons hate a country they reside in that much I feel said country should assist them in departure.
This is more similar than you might be aware of.PLAYER57832 wrote: The swastika once had an honorable tradition, symbolism. It has been "forever" tainted to most people in the west. If I see that in an Eastern painting, etc, I know it has another meaning. Even so, I know many people who would take offense at anysuch display, no matter the context.
For you and anyone else that continually wishes to make it about Islam. I don't have a problem with that, carry on. This whole thing would be totally different if it were in the US&A. I probably wouldn't have posted.PLAYER57832 wrote:Except, you were more than happy to excuse ignorance in those who claimed this was a fine example of Islam.2dimes wrote: If they were ignorant of that I don't care and refuse to sympthise with you or them.
See, I don't like what these people said, I definitely don't like how they did it and, yes, in truth I understood the protest to be different than it actually was. (It could be I was even referring to a different protest, because the story I heard was about poppies) However, if they were in the US, I would still fight for their right to protest.
For the last time, this is not about Islam. I have said it is NOT about Islam. Those who are trying to make it that are wrong. This is about Britain's actions in the past and, some say in the present in various regions of the world and their ties to the old opium trade.2dimes wrote:For you and anyone else that continually wishes to make it about Islam.PLAYER57832 wrote:Except, you were more than happy to excuse ignorance in those who claimed this was a fine example of Islam.2dimes wrote: If they were ignorant of that I don't care and refuse to sympthise with you or them.
See, I don't like what these people said, I definitely don't like how they did it and, yes, in truth I understood the protest to be different than it actually was. (It could be I was even referring to a different protest, because the story I heard was about poppies) However, if they were in the US, I would still fight for their right to protest.
I'm not quite sure what you mean - If the same thing happened in Australia I'm sure there would be similar outrages from the blind patriots-2dimes wrote:Are you joking around here? Do you think this would have went the same way in your country. I suspect it wouldn't.radiojake wrote:Who said anything about them hating the country that they are living in? - They have a problem with the military occupations that their country is currently involved in. That doesn't mean that they do not want to live in the UK, but they are just letting everyone know the problem they have with the current military occupations (sure, the choice and style of the way they went about it could have done with a bit more decorum) but it doesn't mean that they should be deported.2dimes wrote:What is the debate? If these morons hate a country they reside in that much I feel said country should assist them in departure.
I scrolled through and I think you might be right. I must just be super cranky that you defended these scum and I couldn't seperate that poppy excuse from other times you have seemed to use "public relations" maneuvers to deny things that are in the koran.PlayaDigitsYo wrote:That you persist in saying I am "trying to defend Islam" here or "making this about Islam" is just wrong.
Sorry I dodged this question. I don't know where the promise is from. I have never seen reference to it other than what I can only describe as "rumours." So I'd agree if you said it's probably not from Moe's book.GreecePwns wrote:A promise from who exactly? Not Allah.2dimes wrote:The common rumour floating around about the suicide bomber dudes is the promise of "A trip to paradise with the prize of one virgin per infedel they take with them."
How does that fit in with, "all major religion believe that killing someone will send you to hell." and why doesn't the sign clearify. "Soldiers that killed" as opposed to just "British" ones.
You will have to point to where I say much of anything about the K'ran, except that fundamentalists twist it in ways moderates don't agree with, very much like debates within Christianity. I don't feel the KKK represents my beliefs, no matter how much they say they are following the Bible and I respect those within the Muslim community who say that Al Q'aeda similarly distorts their beliefs.2dimes wrote:I'm thinking if they tried to pull that in Australia we would be reading about riots.
I scrolled through and I think you might be right. I must just be super cranky that you defended these scum and I couldn't seperate that poppy excuse from other times you have seemed to use "public relations" maneuvers to deny things that are in the koran.PlayaDigitsYo wrote:That you persist in saying I am "trying to defend Islam" here or "making this about Islam" is just wrong.