Yeah, the timing sucks. But I actually was going to come out with that info on Thursday night. I had put together the post, and then somehow it didn't get on here. (Was being told I had to be in bed in the next two minutes by the wife if I wanted anything interesting to happen...) The next morning I got on to look for responses and saw that it didn't post.
We started out with 12 players; from what I understand about game balance, we should have had 3 mafia players and possibly 1 3rd party player. Of the original players (leaving aside Leehar for the moment), we have 2 Mafia dead (Rodion and Jonty) and 1 3rd party dead (pcm), so we have one Mafia player left.
Riddle me this, Batman: of the remaining original players, who is most likely the Mafia player?
IB - no, because of the Rodion escapade. Although it could have been staged, it just seems too unlikely. MoB - ? Leitz - no, because if he was Mafia, he would not kill a fellow Mafia player. Could Jonty have been poisoned, and Leitz took advantage of it to prove he was town? I suppose, but since we have two night kills, neither of them via poison, that's too many killers. Could my "reflecting" of Leitz mean that Jonty tried to kill Leitz, and ended up killing himself because of the reflection? Again possible, but Leitz did not know about my role when he explained his role, so I don't see how Leitz would be lying here. sundog - ? - however well intentioned his lie might have been, "town does not lie".
As for Leehar, I don't know what to think about his claim - I could easily see him being Mafia, because a Mafia player was mod killed, not killed in the natural course of the game; why not balance out the mod kill with bringing back someone with the same alignment? That doesn't address the original role assignments, though, so I think we still have one Mafia player to discover from among the original players.
I believe that either MoB or sundog is Mafia, and I believe we should lynch one or the other before the deadline. If we lynch the Mafia player, then I would think that's the game, unless Leehar came back as Mafia, not third party. If we lynch the wrong player (the truthful town player), then unless some new information surfaced, I'd be pretty sure that of the two, the player we did not lynch was the Mafia player.
I think we just need to wait for MoB to claim before choosing between him and sundog? But originally we were choosing between leitz and sundog, so it makes best sense to take out the common denominator then?
There is a reason they say lynch all liars. If he is town he certainly learned nothing from the fiaso Zimmah created. In my eyes there is no way he is town at this point.
He specificly states that the reason he lied was to role fish for power roles. Town does not do that. That is a tactic Mafia uses.
He had a chance to come clean when Mob caught him in a lie.
More importantly I beleive he had to recognize that he boxed himself in with his false claim. We were basing our endgame scenarios on him using his ability, which he obviously couldnt do.
I find it very interesting that throughout the game he is doing exactly what Rodian did, keeping his vote and argument on me, when the focus should have been on him.
The good news is that all we can do is lynch one person. Sundogs record should speak for itself. He lied. He lied in a big way claiming he did it to role fish...end of story.
If we lynch and he turns town and we go into evening. Cat and hopefully Lietz, can protect each other. Mob says hes bullet proof. That would leave Myself and Deuce as viable targets. Both of us are expendable.
At this point all we can do is vote who we think is lieing and hope there is only one killer tonight.
I have to leave in 15 minutes dont have much time to post. But its obvious again that both Sundog and Leitz are scum. Here is my resume:
Zimmah (town) fake claimed power role - I called him on it and instantly wanted to lynch him. He was lying. Ended the day with Rodion is most likely scum. Would have voted for Rodion all day next day if he wasn't mod killed.
Sundog also lies and fakeclaims. - I call him on it right away as well. He eventually admits to it EVEN THOUGH WE SPENT TONS OF TIME TALKING THE NEXT DAY ON HOW STUPID ZIMMAH WAS FOR LYING ABOUT HIS ROLE.
Leitz, again am sure is lying as well. WHAT TOWN ROLE KILLS WITH A KNIFE?? NEVER HAVE I SEEN IT. AND ON TOP OF IT, he continues to vote me over and over. even though I was completely right about Sundog lying. The only reason I am second guessing myself is because another 3rd party killer seems completely unreasonable in a small game like this.
unvote vote sundog
Sundog is mafia. If hes not Town killed themselves by fakeclaiming stupid ass roles, perfect example why you shouldn't lie as town, its not worth it.
Leits - probably anti town but I dont know for sure.
IB - 100% town or im never playing mafia again
Catnip - 70% town.
Leehar - I have to review your claim Im not sure. but eitehr way, you cant be dealt with until tomorrow
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More on Leitz... His vote patterns I guess are what really makes me think he is anti town as well. Again hes voting WITH sundog, who was at the top of our lists as mafia, proven liar. and he votes WITH the guy and votes me. And he calls IB a third party who I whole-heartedly believe is town.
Leitz wrote:I believe the non-town aligned players are: IB 3rd party, MoB mafia. My vote already stands on MoB (page 30).
He just continues to vote me, even though I spent all my effort all day trying to get these claims together, unfog the game, and make a gameplan to get scum.
This combined with killing with a knife really does make it seem like hes lying.
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The only thing thats tripping me out is the game balance, but I have heard to "not play as the mod, but try to play the game" If I did that, I am sure Leitz is lying.
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Like I called out Sundog that his claim was fake from the beginning. Sundog admits it, and Leitz gives me no credit for figuring that out, and says sundog is right and votes me? I dont understand the logic thats all. How am I the mafia by trying to call players out on lies.
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If lietz is 3rd/party AND Sundog is 3rd party AND Leehar has a winning condition of living till the end, which is pretty much his claim, we can only hope for one thing. Cat and Keehar vote to lynch Sundog.
My vote is NOT going to change. If Lietz is not a third party/Mafia he will vote with us. If Lietz and SD are lillers they will keep the vote split and try and go for a no-lynch.
Then it becomes the Ok Corral at night. LOL you have 3 possible night killers, we know there is definatley one.
First of all my apologies to MoB for my vote on him. Unvote. I read Sundogs post while in a hurry and with not much time available to think. It seemed like valid reasons at the time but reviewing it, it does all seem off. Yes, I admit at mostly aiming my focus at you but that was when Sundog still has his so called day lynch ability. You won't be bothered by me again!
I am what I claimed and so I have towns best interest at heart. I've always believed there was 1 mafia player left. If Sundog turns scum this is a town win: vote Sundog
My tournament series: Leitz League of Legendary (LLL)
I am willing to vote sudog, but before I do, and we get thrown into night, I want to make it very clear to Leitz that I am exactly what I claim to be, so if he is deciding whether to protect me, or not, based on whether he feels I am 100% town, or not, he will know that I am town. I deliberately added clues to two of my posts, using the terms "reflected" and "reflecting", followed by the name of the player I targeted that night:
--------- page 20 I had previously reflected on the possibility that Rodion was town, and could be very useful to the town, and was pleased that he survived the night; now, I'm edging towards a growing suspicion that Rodion is not town... FOS Rodion
--------- page 25 Reflecting on the argument that Leitz was cleared just before night 2 began:
My hope was that if I was killed during the night, town would pick up on these clues once my role was revealed, and that the information would be helpful to town.
Unless something really odd happens between now and the start of night, I will be targeting Leitz tonight with "reflection"; does anyone think I should protect someone else?
Your the only person who could be who you say you are. So there is no need to convince others of your role. After you play a few games youll understand what i mean. *grin*
If he really is a baddie, he will say he will cover you and if he is really who he says, he will cover you. So it does not matter either way what he says to you except perhaps to your peace of mind.
catnipdreams wrote:I am “Account Manager” Town Mirror. When I target someone at night, all actions directed at the person I target are reflected back to the senders of those actions. I targeted Rodion on night one, and Leitz on night two.
That is why I wanted to understand about the weapons used - did Leitz indeed make a kill, or, was an attempt made on him that was reflected back on the initiator? I can not use my role to protect myself, so I assume I will be killed tonight, unless Leitz is telling the truth, and opts to protect me tonight. I can of course protect him tonight as well, or someone else.
Catnip I'm rereading your role. If Sundog flip scum we can be pretty sure that was the last mafia member and we may have a third party.
If Sundog is Scum I think you should reflect on yourself if you can. Im not so sure if you can though you would have to ask the mod. You could also reflect me or IB, all up to you.
If Sundog is NOT scum - then theres still a mafia left. Whatever you do, dont use it on me. Because mafia cant shoot me at night anyway.
Either way, try to keep them guessing who you will reflect, maybe you will be lucky and mafia will shoot themselves
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Leitz wrote:First of all my apologies to MoB for my vote on him. Unvote. I read Sundogs post while in a hurry and with not much time available to think. It seemed like valid reasons at the time but reviewing it, it does all seem off. Yes, I admit at mostly aiming my focus at you but that was when Sundog still has his so called day lynch ability. You won't be bothered by me again!
I am what I claimed and so I have towns best interest at heart. I've always believed there was 1 mafia player left. If Sundog turns scum this is a town win: vote Sundog
Apology accepted . However even after our mass claim, someone still targeted PCM on Night 1 and we have no idea who. I STILL think its you buddy, but only time will tell
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I wish I could quote the PM I got from Sniper to prove to you (and the rest) my loyalty to town. As of right now the best we can do is lynch Sundog and see what the scene will be. If he is mafia like we all think he is, this game should be over and a town win.
My tournament series: Leitz League of Legendary (LLL)
With many thoughts and claims coming out in the day, their was one that stood out to all. "Suicidal Hero" with the ability to kill one person and then be killed. But this also brought up the part of trying to figure out who they should use this ability on. The bickering continued until many figured that it was a lie since sundog wouldn't use his powers. But soon after he realized he was in trouble he came out with his "true" role "Millionaire Butterworth" Vanilla Townie.
But everyone spoke in unison of lynch all liars.
Sundog308 “Master Mind” Mafia God Father has been lynched.
[spoiler=Roles]Mafia - Robbers - Can talk with each other at night, and get 1 collective kill *Master Mind (God Father) - Investigation proof *Manipulator - Vote Stealer, sends in via PM for who to vote for, and has 2 votes one for his name, and the other of the name he stole *Demolitions Expert - Suicide Bomber
Town - Customers *Security Guard - Investigates *Teller - Bullet Proof *Account Manager - Mirror (You may target one player, causing all actions to be redirected back to the person who cast them) *Body Builder (Customer) - Role Block *Ex-CIA (Customer) - JOAT (doc can buy the poisoned person 1 extra day of life) *John Doe (Customer) - Vanilla Townie *Maggie Silver (Customer) - Vanilla Townie *Wife Ginger (Customer) - Lovers, survivor - If lover dies, they become 3rd party and continue as the Poison Doctor would. But try to commit suicide by taking the drugs, and are out of the game for 1 day
3rd Party *Husband Eric (Poison doctor)- Lover - Poisoner (will die a day after being poisoned i.e. they have one more night action) - Wins when there is no threat to them. If lover dies, he gets to infect 2 others during the day phase, and is killed (must be sent in within 36 hours)[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Random order of roles and players]Wife Ginger (Customer) - Lovers, survivor 8. deuceswild222 Husband Eric (Poison doctor)- Lover - Poisoner 12. pancakemix Manipulator - Vote Stealer 6. jonty125 Ex-CIA (Customer) - JOAT 10. Leitz Body Builder (Customer) - Role Block 3. eagleblade Teller - Bullet Proof 7. MoB Deadly Master Mind (God Father) 11. sundog308 Account Manager - Mirror 9. catnipdreams Demolitions Expert - Suicide Bomber 1. Rodion John Doe (Customer) - Vanilla Townie 2. maximumbandit Maggie Silver (Customer) - Vanilla Townie 5. Iron Butterfly Security Guard - Investigates 4. zimmah
Numbers just mean order everyone signed up in (am to lazy to remove them...)[/spoiler]
[spoiler=PMs to each person]Sundog308 You are “Master Mind” Mafia God Father. You are investigation proof.
You may converse with [player]Rodion[/player], and [player]Jonty125[/player] during the night.
Each night you may kill 1 player, you must send in the PM to me of who you want to kill, and who is doing the kill.
You win when there are no more threats to the Mafia.
Please go confirm in the thread, and if you have any questions please PM me. Questions may be about the game itself, or about your specific role. jonty125 You are “Manipulator” Mafia Vote Stealer. You may steal the voting ability of 1 player at night, please send the name of the player you want to steal the vote from to me. During the day phase you may send in the vote for whoever you want it to be one, once it is placed, it can't be moved.
You may converse with [player]Sundog308[/player], and [player]Rodion[/player] during the night. The mafia Godfather will send in the message saying who is making the kill. If the godfather ever dies, anyone can send in the PM.
You win when there are no more threats to the Mafia.
Please go confirm in the thread, and if you have any questions please PM me. Questions may be about the game itself, or about your specific role.
Rodion You are “Demolitions Expert” Mafia Bomber. You may kill one player during the day phase, but will be killed in the attack. Send me a PM when you would like to make the kill.
You may converse with [player]Sundog308[/player], and [player]jonty125[/player] during the night. The mafia Godfather will send in the message saying who is making the kill. If the godfather ever dies, anyone can send in the PM.
You win when there are no more threats to the Mafia.
Please go confirm in the thread, and if you have any questions please PM me. Questions may be about the game itself, or about your specific role.
Zimmah You are “Security Guard” Town Cop. You may investigate one person each night.
You win when there are no more threats to town.
Your target is Guilty
Your target is Innocent
Your target is 3rd Party
Please go confirm in the thread, and if you have any questions please PM me. Questions may be about the game itself, or about your specific role.
Mob Deadly You are “Teller” Town. You are bullet proof.
You win when there are no more threats to town.
Please go confirm in the thread, and if you have any questions please PM me. Questions may be about the game itself, or about your specific role.
catnipdreams You are “Account Manager” Town Mirror. You may target a player, thus causing all actions that target that player to instead target the player that used them.
You win when there are no more threats to town.
Please go confirm in the thread, and if you have any questions please PM me. Questions may be about the game itself, or about your specific role.
eagleblade You are “Body Builder” Town. You are a role blocker. You may target one person each night, and they won’t be able to use their night action, if they have one.
You win when there are no more threats to town.
Please go confirm in the thread, and if you have any questions please PM me. Questions may be about the game itself, or about your specific role.
Leitz You are “Ex-CIA Agent” Town JOAT. You are a JOAT, you may target one player at night and use 1 of these 4 abilities. All abilities are a 1 time use only.
Your abilities are 1 Investigation - which leads to the results of Guilty,Innocent, or 3rd Party 1 Doctor - Protects a player for one night so they can’t be killed (can’t use on yourself) 1 Role block - Prevents a player from making their night action, if the player has no night action it will be wasted 1 Vigilante kill - kills 1 player at night
You win when there are no more threats to town.
Please go confirm in the thread, and if you have any questions please PM me. Questions may be about the game itself, or about your specific role.
maximumbandit You are “John Doe” Vanilla Townie Town.
You win when there are no more threats to town.
Please go confirm in the thread, and if you have any questions please PM me. Questions may be about the game itself, or about your specific role.
Iron Butterfly You are “Maggie Silver” Vanilla Townie.
You win when there are no more threats to town.
Please go confirm in the thread, and if you have any questions please PM me. Questions may be about the game itself, or about your specific role.
deuceswild222 You are “Wife Ginger” Town Survivor. You are a survivor, and lover. Upon the death of [player]pancakemix[/player]. You will commit Suicide
You may converse with your lover, [player]pancakemix[/player] during the night phase.
You win when there are no more threats to town.
Please go confirm in the thread, and if you have any questions please PM me. Questions may be about the game itself, or about your specific role.
Pancakemix You are “Husband Eric” 3rd Party Poisoner. You are a poisoner. Each night you may target one player to poison. They will survive for 1 more day before dying, You are also a lover lover. Upon the death of [player]deuceswild222[/player]. You will commit Suicide, but before you do you can infect 2 players with your poison, this is a day action, but only if your lover dies.
You may converse with your lover, [player]deuceswild222]/player] during the night phase.
You win when there are no more threats to you.
Please go confirm in the thread, and if you have any questions please PM me. Questions may be about the game itself, or about your specific role.[/spoiler]
Mafia kill came in before PCM’s poison, thats why there was no one poisoned during the night phase. And Ironically PCM would have poisoned himself.
Night 2 Catnip protects Leitz Leitz kills Jonty Dueces poisons no one Jonty steals Catnip’s Vote Mafia (Sundog) kills MaximumBandit
Rodion Mod killed night 2[/spoiler]
A few side notes after this has been played out. I thought mafia was a little overpowered. Sorry about some of the confusion when writing a few of the scenes. Any criticism is welcome for any future games.
Scumbuckets, I claimed just a little too much power... Good game all, it was a great learning experience for me, and I'm sure this game was quite unique in many aspects. Honestly though, I'm kinda glad it was over because I didn't realize the time commitment it would require!
Not sure who I would vote as player of the game, but I think Leitz should get a vote as "King of Punctuation"!