[CL4] Ph2 Div 1 - Winner: KoRT MVP: Mudfighter

[Qwert]

its look that only KORT secure move to next stage. PACK its close,but need win against AOC. Empire also in good position.

[lynch5762]

Agree lynchy. It's actually made me reconsider my entire philosophy on how CL5 is structured, coz this has been both intense and fun. A 'true' league may end up with a winner after just 70% of games have completed, whereas moving into a Super League (the way the Scots rearranged their 1st Division) adds a new dimension and ensures there is excitement all the way to the finishing line.

I have to be honest here... This is my first clan league event so I am not sure what the first 3 leagues were like, but It is hard to imagine anything topping this "phase II"......... In fact, I will go out on a limb to say that the remaining phases will most likely end up anti-climatic compared to this.

I don't want to take anything away from the forthcoming battles with the clans that advance but man.... How do you top this 8 clan Armageddon? (not trying to offend anyone with that word I just couldn't think of a better one ) Imagine if TSM had not had their unfortunate AWL player or if AFOS hadn't had to deal with some random assignments in away games? This phase would have been even closer still!

I don't know how a lot of you guys feel but I can tell you that a lot of us in the Pack feel a little burnt out and are ready for a break. Don't get me wrong... we enjoy the excitement of the game and competition immensely but there comes a time where CC can be a bit consuming of precious hours. That being said.... It is hard to imagine that most of us won't look forward to this same event next year. Let's face it... most of the people involved at this level have been / or will be here for a while.

I have enjoyed all of the wars that we have played in up to this point but again I have to be honest.... nothing has come close to comparing to this! I know that there is a lot of discussion about the future of clan leagues and there has also been attempts at having multiple leagues. If I could just put my two cents in... I would say that every effort should be made to agree upon one league and to try and replicate the experience that we all just had...... good times

[jetsetwilly]

Agree lynchy. It's actually made me reconsider my entire philosophy on how CL5 is structured, coz this has been both intense and fun. A 'true' league may end up with a winner after just 70% of games have completed, whereas moving into a Super League (the way the Scots rearranged their 1st Division) adds a new dimension and ensures there is excitement all the way to the finishing line.

I have to be honest here... This is my first clan league event so I am not sure what the first 3 leagues were like, but It is hard to imagine anything topping this "phase II"......... In fact, I will go out on a limb to say that the remaining phases will most likely end up anti-climatic compared to this.

I don't want to take anything away from the forthcoming battles with the clans that advance but man.... How do you top this 8 clan Armageddon? (not trying to offend anyone with that word I just couldn't think of a better one ) Imagine if TSM had not had their unfortunate AWL player or if AFOS hadn't had to deal with some random assignments in away games? This phase would have been even closer still!

I don't know how a lot of you guys feel but I can tell you that a lot of us in the Pack feel a little burnt out and are ready for a break. Don't get me wrong... we enjoy the excitement of the game and competition immensely but there comes a time where CC can be a bit consuming of precious hours. That being said.... It is hard to imagine that most of us won't look forward to this same event next year. Let's face it... most of the people involved at this level have been / or will be here for a while.

I have enjoyed all of the wars that we have played in up to this point but again I have to be honest.... nothing has come close to comparing to this! I know that there is a lot of discussion about the future of clan leagues and there has also been attempts at having multiple leagues. If I could just put my two cents in... I would say that every effort should be made to agree upon one league and to try and replicate the experience that we all just had...... good times

Have to agree, I think phases 1 and 2 have been close to perfect and as you say 3 and 4 won't compete. (Not that we are likely to be competing in them anyway ).

For me a league doesn't involve a play off and actually I would be happy to end it after phase 2 and the only thing I would do differently next to time is to make phase 2 run over a longer period but make it 18 games not 12.

Hats off to the organisers, job well done.

[Chariot of Fire]

Great post lynchy. Agree totally. And jetset said it too - no playoffs. But a way of replicating this Top 8 League next time would be a popular choice I'm sure. I know that right now the talk is of having a true league (no advancing to a 2nd phase etc) over a whole season, and it's something I have always endorsed. But now I'm not so sure coz, as I say, nothing can compare to the excitement that this Div.1 phase 2 has thrown up with all its permutations. Let's do it all again next time!

[codeblue1018]

I agree with Lynch on two fronts; A- I wouldn't want any changes to the structure of this competition; the only change I'd like to see perhaps is if we can arrange this challenge so that it doesn't go too deep into the summer months? B- as far as breaks; 100% agree. I know at TSM, we are working these challenges with almost half our roster on break and believe me, the active players need a breather as well, which will be forthcoming. We also enjoy these challenges immensely, however, nothing that I've been involved with thus far has compared to this; Thota was very close however,

[Leehar]

Stats per division would be really great. If you have time for that.

Is Swifte's article in CC Dispatch [Issue 74.5: 23-06-12] Platoon Report a bit closer to what you're looking for?

[Pirlo]

the only change I'd like to see perhaps is if we can arrange this challenge so that it doesn't go too deep into the summer months?

YES!

[tokle]

Round 1:
PACK 8-4 TOFU
AOC 5-6 IA
AFOS 5-7 EMP
TSM 5-7 KORT

Round 2:
IA 5-7 PACK
EMP 5-7 TOFU
KORT 7-5 AOC
TSM 4-8 AFOS

Round 3:
PACK 4-8 EMP
IA 4-8 KORT
TOFU 5-6 TSM
AOC 8-4 AFOS

Round 4:
KORT 7-5 PACK
TSM 6-5 EMP
AFOS 3-7 IA
AOC 4-7 TOFU

Round 5:
PACK 3-8 TSM
KORT 5-7 AFOS
EMP 4-7 AOC
IA 8-4 TOFU

Round 6:
AFOS 2-10 PACK
AOC 6-4 TSM
TOFU 5-5 KORT
IA 4-6 EMP

Round 7:
PACK 5-3 AOC
AFOS 5-5 TOFU
TSM 2-4 IA
KORT 1-5 EMP

[Sniper08]

Round 1:
PACK 8-4 TOFU
AOC 5-6 IA
AFOS 5-7 EMP
TSM 5-7 KORT

Round 2:
IA 5-7 PACK
EMP 5-7 TOFU
KORT 7-5 AOC
TSM 4-8 AFOS

Round 3:
PACK 4-8 EMP
IA 4-8 KORT
TOFU 5-6 TSM
AOC 8-4 AFOS

Round 4:
KORT 7-5 PACK
TSM 6-5 EMP
AFOS 3-7 IA
AOC 4-7 TOFU

Round 5:
PACK 3-9 TSM
KORT 5-7 AFOS
EMP 4-7 AOC
IA 8-4 TOFU

Round 6:
AFOS 2-9 PACK
AOC 6-4 TSM
TOFU 5-5 KORT
IA 4-6 EMP

Round 7:
PACK 5-3 AOC
AFOS 5-5 TOFU
TSM 2-4 IA
KORT 1-4 EMP

i think you miscounted Pack vs TSM its 3-8 atm with pack winning the final game still active, you also miscounted Pack vs AFOS its currently 8-2 with the remaining two games in Packs favour

[Swifte]

Real quick based on what tokle posted... not updated for any corrections. Still a lot of room for things to move around.

Clan______W%______Finished__Active____Wins
EMP______53.4%____73_______11_______39
KORT_____53.3%____75_______9________40
IA_______ 52.1%____73_______11_______38
PACK_____51.9%____79_______5________41
AOC______50.7%____75_______9________38
TSM______48.6%____74_______10_______36
TOFU_____47.4%____78_______6________37
AFOS_____44.2%____77_______7________34

[Sniper08]

Real quick based on what tokle posted... not updated for any corrections. Still a lot of room for things to move around.

Clan______W%______Finished__Active____Wins
EMP______53.4%____73_______11_______39
KORT_____53.3%____75_______9________40
IA_______ 52.1%____73_______11_______38
PACK_____51.9%____79_______5________41
AOC______50.7%____75_______9________38
TSM______48.6%____74_______10_______36
TOFU_____47.4%____78_______6________37
AFOS_____44.2%____77_______7________34

well for Pack i expect us to finish with 45-39 which gives us a 53.6% win rate

PACK 8-4 TOFU
PACK 7-5 IA
PACK 4-8 EMP
PACK 5-7 KORT
PACK 4-8 TSM
PACK 10-2 AFOS
PACK 7-5 AOC

[Qwert]

by Swifte » Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:36 pm

Real quick based on what tokle posted... not updated for any corrections. Still a lot of room for things to move around.

Clan______W%______Finished__Active____Wins
EMP______53.4%____73_______11_______39
KORT_____53.3%____75_______9________40
IA_______ 52.1%____73_______11_______38
PACK_____51.9%____79_______5________41
AOC______50.7%____75_______9________38
TSM______48.6%____74_______10_______36
TOFU_____47.4%____78_______6________37
AFOS_____44.2%____77_______7________34

win % dont give you nothing,only points. In division 2 LOW have better win% but he will not move to next stage.
Acording to points(only finished games)
kort--8
pack--6
emp--4
ia-----4
aoc---4
tofu-4
afos--4
tsm--2

[Teflon Kris]

Scoreboard updated - please wall me if I have any errors, or if any updates come in.

[Qwert]

final table prediction

1.KOrt--10--[46-38]
2.PACK---8--[45-39]
3.EMP----8--[44-40]
4.AOC----7--[44-40]
==================
5.IA-----7--[41-43]
6.TOFU---7--[40-44]
7.AFOS---5--[37-47]
8.TSM----4--[39-45]

[Swifte]

by Swifte » Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:36 pm

Real quick based on what tokle posted... not updated for any corrections. Still a lot of room for things to move around.

Clan______W%______Finished__Active____Wins
EMP______53.4%____73_______11_______39
KORT_____53.3%____75_______9________40
IA_______ 52.1%____73_______11_______38
PACK_____51.9%____79_______5________41
AOC______50.7%____75_______9________38
TSM______48.6%____74_______10_______36
TOFU_____47.4%____78_______6________37
AFOS_____44.2%____77_______7________34

win % dont give you nothing,only points. In division 2 LOW have better win% but he will not move to next stage.
Acording to points(only finished games)
kort--8
pack--6
emp--4
ia-----4
aoc---4
tofu-4
afos--4
tsm--2

I know the points come first... win% matters for tie-breaker, and we have many scenarios with several teams possibly having 7 points... so the tie-breaker will very likely come in to play, so I thought people would be interested to see where that was at. Even if they don't have any effect, it's interesting to look at.

[jetsetwilly]

final table prediction

1.KOrt--10--[46-38]
2.PACK---8--[45-39]
3.EMP----8--[44-40]
4.AOC----7--[44-40]
==================
5.IA-----7--[41-43]
6.TOFU---7--[40-44]
7.AFOS---5--[37-47]
8.TSM----4--[39-45]

I've no idea how confident you are in this but if you are right then the conquer rome game with IA makes or breaks that 4th place slot. Let's hope we aren't sitting here waiting for it to finish come Christmas !

[Qwert]

final table prediction

1.KOrt--10--[46-38]
2.PACK---8--[45-39]
3.EMP----8--[44-40]
4.AOC----7--[44-40]
==================
5.IA-----7--[41-43]
6.TOFU---7--[40-44]
7.AFOS---5--[37-47]
8.TSM----4--[39-45]

I've no idea how confident you are in this but if you are right then the conquer man game with IA makes or breaks that 4th place slot. Let's hope we aren't sitting here waiting for it to finish come Christmas !

well this game are very even, so i only have two option for predict-your win,or your lose.I drop dices and give you a win .
Now its all in your hand to back mine prediction

[Leehar]

final table prediction

1.KOrt--10--[46-38]
2.PACK---8--[45-39]
3.EMP----8--[44-40]
4.AOC----7--[44-40]
==================
5.IA-----7--[41-43]
6.TOFU---7--[40-44]
7.AFOS---5--[37-47]
8.TSM----4--[39-45]

I've no idea how confident you are in this but if you are right then the conquer man game with IA makes or breaks that 4th place slot. Let's hope we aren't sitting here waiting for it to finish come Christmas !

well this game are very even, so i only have two option for predict-your win,or your lose.I drop dices and give you a win .
Now its all in your hand to back mine prediction

What about that game between AoC and Pack? If it swings to AoC as well, that could affect the permutations a bit, no?

[Sniper08]

final table prediction

1.KOrt--10--[46-38]
2.PACK---8--[45-39]
3.EMP----8--[44-40]
4.AOC----7--[44-40]
==================
5.IA-----7--[41-43]
6.TOFU---7--[40-44]
7.AFOS---5--[37-47]
8.TSM----4--[39-45]

I've no idea how confident you are in this but if you are right then the conquer man game with IA makes or breaks that 4th place slot. Let's hope we aren't sitting here waiting for it to finish come Christmas !

well this game are very even, so i only have two option for predict-your win,or your lose.I drop dices and give you a win .
Now its all in your hand to back mine prediction

What about that game between AoC and Pack? If it swings to AoC as well, that could affect the permutations a bit, no?

pack is up by 30 troops and 20 regions with 7 more RD it is definetly ours.

[lynch5762]

final table prediction

1.KOrt--10--[46-38]
2.PACK---8--[45-39]
3.EMP----8--[44-40]
4.AOC----7--[44-40]
==================
5.IA-----7--[41-43]
6.TOFU---7--[40-44]
7.AFOS---5--[37-47]
8.TSM----4--[39-45]

I've no idea how confident you are in this but if you are right then the conquer man game with IA makes or breaks that 4th place slot. Let's hope we aren't sitting here waiting for it to finish come Christmas !

well this game are very even, so i only have two option for predict-your win,or your lose.I drop dices and give you a win .
Now its all in your hand to back mine prediction

What about that game between AoC and Pack? If it swings to AoC as well, that could affect the permutations a bit, no?

The PACK vs AOC is not written in stone by any means but we do have the advantage... Is it true that the 4th team will come down to that one game?? If so then WOW!

[Leehar]

final table prediction

1.KOrt--10--[46-38]
2.PACK---8--[45-39]
3.EMP----8--[44-40]
4.AOC----7--[44-40]
==================
5.IA-----7--[41-43]
6.TOFU---7--[40-44]
7.AFOS---5--[37-47]
8.TSM----4--[39-45]

I've no idea how confident you are in this but if you are right then the conquer man game with IA makes or breaks that 4th place slot. Let's hope we aren't sitting here waiting for it to finish come Christmas !

well this game are very even, so i only have two option for predict-your win,or your lose.I drop dices and give you a win .
Now its all in your hand to back mine prediction

What about that game between AoC and Pack? If it swings to AoC as well, that could affect the permutations a bit, no?

The PACK vs AOC is not written in stone by any means but we do have the advantage... Is it true that the 4th team will come down to that one game?? If so then WOW!

And Conquer Rome remember. That can still twist the last spot a bit.
Thankfully I think we have a solid point at least vs Kort, just one last Escalating game to see if we can knock them off top spot on WP

[Qwert]

well game Conquer rome are decision game for AOC, because if they lost,then will be 7-5 for IA, and then IA will qualify, so that game against PACK will dont have any value. AOC can lost against PACk, but 6-6 against IA what its need to AOC.

[betiko]

why don't you guys all agree in finishing conquer rome in rt if it's still so far from an end? and yeah, that map is a real pain in the butt to get over with in general...

[PROFITS]

by Swifte » Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:36 pm

Real quick based on what tokle posted... not updated for any corrections. Still a lot of room for things to move around.

Clan______W%______Finished__Active____Wins
EMP______53.4%____73_______11_______39
KORT_____53.3%____75_______9________40
IA_______ 52.1%____73_______11_______38
PACK_____51.9%____79_______5________41
AOC______50.7%____75_______9________38
TSM______48.6%____74_______10_______36
TOFU_____47.4%____78_______6________37
AFOS_____44.2%____77_______7________34

win % dont give you nothing,only points. In division 2 LOW have better win% but he will not move to next stage.
Acording to points(only finished games)
kort--8
pack--6
emp--4
ia-----4
aoc---4
tofu-4
afos--4
tsm--2

Win % still plays a huge roll in this event. If kort beats empire, aoc ties ia and loses to pack, ia beats tsm, we'd have a 3 way tie at 7 pts to fill to final spots. tofu may be in the mix as well, but may be a game or 2 short in win%. it's possible (would take a miracle) empire and ia even end up tied in pts and win % for the 4th and final spot.

[Leehar]

by Swifte » Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:36 pm

Real quick based on what tokle posted... not updated for any corrections. Still a lot of room for things to move around.

Clan______W%______Finished__Active____Wins
EMP______53.4%____73_______11_______39
KORT_____53.3%____75_______9________40
IA_______ 52.1%____73_______11_______38
PACK_____51.9%____79_______5________41
AOC______50.7%____75_______9________38
TSM______48.6%____74_______10_______36
TOFU_____47.4%____78_______6________37
AFOS_____44.2%____77_______7________34

win % dont give you nothing,only points. In division 2 LOW have better win% but he will not move to next stage.
Acording to points(only finished games)
kort--8
pack--6
emp--4
ia-----4
aoc---4
tofu-4
afos--4
tsm--2

Win % still plays a huge roll in this event. If kort beats empire, aoc ties ia and loses to pack, ia beats tsm, we'd have a 3 way tie at 7 pts to fill to final spots. tofu may be in the mix as well, but may be a game or 2 short in win%. it's possible (would take a miracle) empire and ia even end up tied in pts and win % for the 4th and final spot.

What would tiebreaker be in that case? Head-2-Head?