greenoaks wrote:chemefreak wrote:shoop76 wrote:Just seems like you don't listen to what people have to say. All you say is this thread will get locked if someone says this and they will be punished. Obviously these things are brought up because they bother certain individuals. Wouldn't it only be fair if you took these concerns under serious consideration.
I did not threaten to lock this thread. I just think that there hasn't been a clan that "dropped" an event. The situations that are at issue here did not cause harm to anyone. And they did not just "drop" the event, they came to us or the TOs and asked for permission...which was given.
Now, if a clan just decided to disappear or "drop" an event, you wouldn't even hear about it. We would propose such harsh punishment to the privilege holder, the clan leadership, and (if necessary) the clan members themselves that no clan would risk it. Trust me, no clan could just "drop" an event and live long enough to tell about.
so there already is a punishment just like Chap is asking for there to be.
could you please explain what it is and how it is calculated so we are all forewarned.
Sorry. Missed this one.
It is not actually a punishment per se. But clans have threatened to drop challenges before. We typically go to the privileges holder and see what is going on. If we get no response, or one we don't like the response, we go to the leadership of the clan. If the leadership does not provide an adequate response, or we don't like the response, we go to the membership to see if anyone in the clan cares about the decisions that were made. I would draw your attention to what happened with Dynasty in the CCup3. So far, we have never failed to get someone to take over the war, event, etc. However, if the privileges holder, clan leaders, and all clan members fail to respond or provide an adequate solution we do have the "clan ban" in our pocket. Basically, in such a scenario, all current members of the clan and any future member would be banned from holding privileges for a set period (3-12 months) [they would obviously be provided notice that this would occur if they failed to carry on]. This, in essence, would kill that clan. It is not a pretty scenario, but the threat has so far been successful. I would say we have used this potential sanction a handful of times. Of course, if those clan members go to other clans, there is not much we can do except restrict them from holding privileges.
You can see where we could go from there. We could insert a "poison pill" provision that says that any clan with one of those players would also be prohibited from events, etc. However, since the issue has never really come up, there has been no reason to debate it.
I know that the outspoken players in here think that CDs wield their power just for the sake of wielding power. However, there are plenty out there that know that this is not true. We want this to be enjoyable for everyone. Empire and Agents of Chaos wanted to form a new clan. We figured that letting them continue in the CL as a single new clan was unfair to the other clans. If one had merged into the other then the merging players would have only been tied for the first round. They could have continued in the second round as a combined clan under whichever flag they chose. So, to me at least, it was their loss to drop (not to mention the huge impact on the F400). If the same thing happened DURING the second round, our decision would have been much different.
I am of the opinion that it is the same for TOFU. Their loss. It should also be noted that ++The Legion++ probably would have benefited the most had a bye not been the preferred course of action by the TO. That being said, the experience (imo) remains the same for everyone else but the players from TOFU. (Would someone please drop from SL so we can have a bye once?
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In the end, the CDs' methods of making sure wars and events don't get ABANDONED has been extremely effective. We do this behind the scenes and most of the time the clan world has no idea that it has even happened.
All this being said, if the clan world (in CDF) decides that a punishment is warranted for future events, that is cool with us. If you have a plan, contact your CDF representative and have them put it forward in the thread currently going in that forum. It is going to be extremely difficult to build a punishment that fits EVERY situation, but it might be out there. We shall see.
Kisses.
genius!