Moderators: Multi Hunters, Cheating/Abuse Team
celliottii wrote: Finally, I use my limited time to not only play here at CC, but I am also a SoC teacher, run the SoC 1v1 Ladder, and (hopefully) will be a SoC Teams teacher. I find it appalling that a higher ranked player gets knocked out by a lower ranked player and then has the audacity to go digging around trying to find a nugget to his conspiracy theory.
While S&D might be a little harder to prove, the thing written by Jghost7 here, is a clear clean violation of the rule!jghost7 wrote:I do not know any specific details from the games. That being said, I think the pertinent question is whether "point-splitting" is legal under the site rules.
From the Community Guidelines:It would seem that this action is in direct violation of this rule. It is not even in a grey area. It is not permitted now, nor should it ever be. There is too much potential for cheating and abuse.Community Guidelines wrote:Point Dumping
If you are found guilty of Point Dumping, that is, the intentional losing of games via any means, with the intention of causing chaos in the form of griefing, passing points to other people, or manually "resetting" points to a lower score.
Note: Because of the nature of Point Dumping, your account will be suspended upon discovery, and will remain suspended to protect the account and the website during the investigation. The Investigative Suspension is not factored into Disciplinary Time Served.
Point Dumping Infraction disciplinary levels are as follows:
1. 1 Month Website Vacation
2. Permanent Website Vacation
Note: Users retain the right to rebuttal via E-tickets as with any Infraction.
Thanks,
J
Actually, the big issue IS the point splitting, which I think that you need to realise as well as the others involved. Announced in chat or not, this is not within the rules to do. As Koganosi said above, the approved way to end a stalemate is a tie-breaker game like the example that I provided above. A game at 16 or 30 rounds is not in stalemate and you have no reason to do this.killboy108 wrote:
The big issue here is not the fact that there is points splitting (although this is not the right thing to do).
I saw a load of 1v1 games when I was searching for some to join, all on Classic with Pershing inviting aglenist and winning them all but 1 in 3 to 5 rounds. 20 games in total. Every game I checked has comments like the following:jltile1 wrote:Look at the last 20 games of general cheats alots. Look like more guilty people will be added to the case. They are just handing games to him.
The cheating & abuse report I lodged specifically mentioned "secret diplomacy" along with evidence to prove it.Evil Semp wrote:Point sharing is an agreement which two [or more] players from a multi player game agree to let one of them win and then let the other win multiple 1v1 games to even out the points from the multi player game. Deliberately throwing a games is not allowed and is considered a major infraction.
"But Cellioti decided it was better to make it a one on one with me. Then we discussed one on one or split."THIS WAS NOT IN THE GAME CHATPershing wrote:The premise that I am contacting someone and saying hay let's gang on on some players and split points is absurd.
THE GAME WAS NOT DEADLOCKED! (Every round players were still attacking)…. very weak to suggest this game was deadlocked.Pershing wrote:Let's stick with facts I admit I took or gave points as a way to end a game that I felt was deadlocked
Yes, an agreement to play a decider game, made in the game chat, agreed on by all remaining players, in a game where everyone agreed it had reached a deadlock.Pershing wrote:you admitted to do the same in your deadlocked games suiciding yourself and giving your points to another player based on an agreement made on the outcome of another game.
"But Cellioti decided it was better to make it a one on one with me. Then we discussed one on one or split."Pershing wrote:The big problem I have about this whole thing including these accussations is the idea I contacted Cellioti or anyone specifically and said let's play a game and team up on everyone else. That is total BS! Never happened.
That is up to admin to decide.jltile1 wrote:Great job , but sure a point drop right? You cannot let him have those point right ?
I blocked these players from playing any more games together because of the secret diplomacy. I am sorry I didn't make that distinction clearer in my post.killboy108 wrote:The cheating & abuse report I lodged specifically mentioned "secret diplomacy" along with evidence to prove it.Evil Semp wrote:Point sharing is an agreement which two [or more] players from a multi player game agree to let one of them win and then let the other win multiple 1v1 games to even out the points from the multi player game. Deliberately throwing a games is not allowed and is considered a major infraction.
(these players made this agreement outside of the game chat, involving eliminating the other remaining players, in a game that was not in stalemate)
Is the Cheating/Abuse Team still investigating this?
I believe that raising a separate punishment for "secret diplomacy" should also be applied to both of the accused players.
Thanks for your time you've put in to investigate & provide an outcome.
2014-06-03 13:43:26 - Pershing ended the turnEvil Semp wrote:Pershing has received a WARNING for game throwing. This is his second major infraction so he will also receive a 1 MONTH VACATION from CC.
Really!?.... That's not much of a punishment. I sometimes go a month without joining a game or posting in a forum.Shannon Apple wrote:He's not permabanned, so he can still take his turns. He can't start/join new games, or post on the forums for that month.
3 major infractment is a perma ban, then he is done, cant even finish his games!killboy108 wrote:Really!?.... That's not much of a punishment. I sometimes go a month without joining a game or posting in a forum.Shannon Apple wrote:He's not permabanned, so he can still take his turns. He can't start/join new games, or post on the forums for that month.
This is a guy who has been caught (For the 2nd time) systematically illegally stripping points off players (as shown in this forum).
I assumed he would have at least had his points levelled out from his ban making him deadbeat in any outstanding games he was active in.
Well.... It's not my decision to make....
Maybe the 3rd time he is caught with a major infractment from the rules he can receive another month's break from posting in a forum/joining a new game
Koganosi wrote:While S&D might be a little harder to prove, the thing written by Jghost7 here, is a clear clean violation of the rule!jghost7 wrote:I do not know any specific details from the games. That being said, I think the pertinent question is whether "point-splitting" is legal under the site rules.
From the Community Guidelines:It would seem that this action is in direct violation of this rule. It is not even in a grey area. It is not permitted now, nor should it ever be. There is too much potential for cheating and abuse.Community Guidelines wrote:Point Dumping
If you are found guilty of Point Dumping, that is, the intentional losing of games via any means, with the intention of causing chaos in the form of griefing, passing points to other people, or manually "resetting" points to a lower score.
Note: Because of the nature of Point Dumping, your account will be suspended upon discovery, and will remain suspended to protect the account and the website during the investigation. The Investigative Suspension is not factored into Disciplinary Time Served.
Point Dumping Infraction disciplinary levels are as follows:
1. 1 Month Website Vacation
2. Permanent Website Vacation
Note: Users retain the right to rebuttal via E-tickets as with any Infraction.
Thanks,
J
I dont even in the slighest think that splitting points like this is a good idea, just for this soul purpose! Especially also if this game wasnt in stalemate yet with the number of players in it. If people dont want stalemates like this they should go for round limits or escalating games, dont point split a game after 30 rounds, just never do it!!!
If in any case a stalement then go for the approved method of a tiebreaker game!
Urs
Koganosi
Thanks BG. It does somewhat. However, I don't understand how it got classified only under game throwing. How was it determined that it fit there as opposed to the point dumping rule? There was obviously intent to 'pass points to other people', which is clearly defined within the point dumping definition.BGtheBrain wrote:This case was point dumping which is a special infraction, which has its own escalation scale
I didnt' handle the other case, but it was for game throwing. That is a major infraction and follows the Warning, 30-day, permaban scale.
Weve got Major, Minor, or Special. I hope that helps.
I also see where game throwing and illegal point collecting are listed as major infractions as well, but they are listed separately. I would assume from this as they can be done independently from one another and hence have their own charge. So, if you classified this in the major infractions category, would you then be charged with 1 count of game throwing, and 1 count of illegal point collecting? If guilty would you then skip to the second step of the punishment scale?jghost7 wrote:I do not know any specific details from the games. That being said, I think the pertinent question is whether "point-splitting" is legal under the site rules.
From the Community Guidelines:It would seem that this action is in direct violation of this rule. It is not even in a grey area. It is not permitted now, nor should it ever be. There is too much potential for cheating and abuse.Community Guidelines wrote:Point Dumping
If you are found guilty of Point Dumping, that is, the intentional losing of games via any means, with the intention of causing chaos in the form of griefing, passing points to other people, or manually "resetting" points to a lower score.
Note: Because of the nature of Point Dumping, your account will be suspended upon discovery, and will remain suspended to protect the account and the website during the investigation. The Investigative Suspension is not factored into Disciplinary Time Served.
Point Dumping Infraction disciplinary levels are as follows:
1. 1 Month Website Vacation
2. Permanent Website Vacation
Note: Users retain the right to rebuttal via E-tickets as with any Infraction.
Thanks,
J
I would just like to know so that when it comes back up again, we will know what to expect. I can see how it could be classified under both special and major, but I would expect in the case of Point Splitting or 'Point Sharing', either designation would end up with similar punishments.Evil Semp wrote:Point sharing is an agreement which two [or more] players from a multi player game agree to let one of them win and then let the other win multiple 1v1 games to even out the points from the multi player game. Deliberately throwing a games is not allowed and is considered a major infraction.
Pershing has received a WARNING for game throwing. This is his second major infraction so he will also receive a 1 MONTH VACATION from CC.
Doing our research we found several more members of CC who engaged in this activity with Pershing. Ciglione, aglenist and celliottii also have received WARNINGS for game throwing. All players mentioned here have also been blocked from playing any ore games together.
There may or may not be more warnings issued as we dig further into this sink hole.
