NoS's Matrix6 Mafia GAME OVER, SCUM WIN!

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I dont see your logic on Mars.

If Potter doesnt claim JK/Tracker then I'd be inclined to lean towards a pairing of IB and Storr. IB wanting to lynch you whilst actively asking JK/Tracker not to counterclaim is disturbing. As I have said before I dont like Storrs hammer on End.

Mtam is VT in my eyes because of Violets ridiculous play. I see Potter as town.

[Streaker]

I dont see your logic on Mars.

If Potter doesnt claim JK/Tracker then I'd be inclined to lean towards a pairing of IB and Storr. IB wanting to lynch you whilst actively asking JK/Tracker not to counterclaim is disturbing. As I have said before I dont like Storrs hammer on End.

Mtam is VT in my eyes because of Violets ridiculous play. I see Potter as town.

Excellent. If we overlap our lists then we agree on IB. Also both town read on Potter (and the VT claim).
Still need confirmation of the claims though.

Storr you claiming VT? IB you'll be claiming VT too ofcourse?

[StorrZerg]

Yes I'm vt

[Marashu]

came to the library because I've been thinking a bunch about Streaker's claim. I believe him. I can see a very town reason for a jailkeeper to ask for a massclaim.

Was going to ask Streaker for his thought on IB, but I see that I don't need to anymore. However, I'm now strongly leaning mafia for wing (claiming BP was probably not a good move if you were town). BP didn't have a reason to claim after jailkeeper was already revealed, but mafia could safely claim BP after jailkeeper is revealed, because they'd know whether or not there would be a counterclaim.

Before coming online I was thinking 2 of Storr/Potter/Wing were scum. Now I'm wondering if Wing/IB is possible.

Because others are coming out and claiming, though, I'll claim VT.

Back to work.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

(claiming BP was probably not a good move if you were town)..

I somewhat agree and was reserved about doing so outside of a mass claim, but Streaker, IB and Storr were all asking for the BP to claim.

[StorrZerg]

I think ib is mafia. It's actually imo mafia are interested in not a mass claim. Claiming or counter claims means confirmed towe or in light of overlapping claims a dead mafia.

Unless he claims something, his earlier stance of streaker you are mafia or vt is awkward if he himself is vt

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

[b]Unvote[/b] I am leaving work and dont want anything to happen before Potter posts.

[Iron Butterfly]

I dont believe your claim, so shall await a counterclaim.

Whats happened to Potter?

Short memory. If you were BP you would automatically believe his claim not refute it. At the least defend him a bit. You claimed BP because Streaker claimed for you and you agreed.

Boom go the Dinosaurs.

[StorrZerg]

Wing claimed bp?

[StorrZerg]

My "Correct Streaker" extended to me claiming Bulletproof Townie.

I guess lol

[StorrZerg]

I dont believe your claim, so shall await a counterclaim.

Whats happened to Potter?

Short memory. If you were BP you would automatically believe his claim not refute it. At the least defend him a bit. You claimed BP because Streaker claimed for you and you agreed.

Boom go the Dinosaurs.

Looks like setting a trap, a poor one. If he is mafia with 2 goons, he knows no bp, and can claim it with freedom. (As mafia why hesitate ) If he has a rb on his team, he wouldn't because of cc. If you cc, you cc the jailer as the non rb. To avoid being lynched.

I can agree the claim is a bit weird. Yet with out you cc, it makes the most sense. Which points again to you trying to tie up PR's as scum.

Way I see it, scum are within
mtamb (unlikely )
Mars
ib
Potter

vote ib

[Iron Butterfly]

So Streaker what made you guess Wing was BP? Psychic Powers?

Wing if you are claimed BP as you say why did you not believe Streaker?

Funny how the game goes on Streaker keeps putting more and more words in Wings mouth.

What sucks is both Potter and Mtam are mia.

Personally I think its quite apparent what is going on between Streaker and Wing but with the only voices being Streaker and Wing and Storr and Myself we need the rest of Town to step up.

[Iron Butterfly]

I dont believe your claim, so shall await a counterclaim.

Whats happened to Potter?

Short memory. If you were BP you would automatically believe his claim not refute it. At the least defend him a bit. You claimed BP because Streaker claimed for you and you agreed.

Boom go the Dinosaurs.

Looks like setting a trap, a poor one. If he is mafia with 2 goons, he knows no bp, and can claim it with freedom. (As mafia why hesitate ) If he has a rb on his team, he wouldn't because of cc. If you cc, you cc the jailer as the non rb. To avoid being lynched.

I can agree the claim is a bit weird. Yet with out you cc, it makes the most sense. Which points again to you trying to tie up PR's as scum.

Way I see it, scum are within
mtamb (unlikely )

Well you all cant be mafia LOL.

You are now in my mafia pool as well.

I have no trouble taking the lynch as it will confirm what I have been saying.
Mars
ib
Potter

vote ib

[Iron Butterfly]

I have no trouble being lynched as we have another night. Even if I am lynched and Town is killed tonight. The writing is on the wall for all to see.

[StorrZerg]

Mtamburini will not be back till Friday.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I dont believe your claim, so shall await a counterclaim.

Whats happened to Potter?

Short memory. If you were BP you would automatically believe his claim not refute it. At the least defend him a bit. You claimed BP because Streaker claimed for you and you agreed.

Boom go the Dinosaurs.

Why? As bp i know we are in setup A or 3 and so have a jailkeep or tracker. Why should I automatically believe that a player who has dragged out powerrole claims far too early is that jailkeeper? I'm sorry I dont leap to conclusions based on insufficient information.

You may notice that I am still waiting for Potter to claim. He is not proven Jailkeeper yet.

IB - Mtam is on holiday so wont contribute to the discussion. Everyone is talking except Potter.

[StorrZerg]

Writing being what, streaker is mafia with wing?

[Streaker]

So Streaker what made you guess Wing was BP? Psychic Powers?

Wing if you are claimed BP as you say why did you not believe Streaker?

Funny how the game goes on Streaker keeps putting more and more words in Wings mouth.

What sucks is both Potter and Mtam are mia.

Personally I think its quite apparent what is going on between Streaker and Wing but with the only voices being Streaker and Wing and Storr and Myself we need the rest of Town to step up.

Words in mouth? He half claimed it already.

[Iron Butterfly]

Just so I understand correctly...everyone finds it perfectly reasonable for Town Jail keeper to want a mass claim so he can discover what again??

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I believe that if Potter does not claim jk/tracker then Streaker is Jailkeeper regardless of his play.

I do not find it reasonable that jailkeeper wanted a massclaim.

[StorrZerg]

Just so I understand correctly...everyone finds it perfectly reasonable for Town Jail keeper to want a mass claim so he can discover what again??

And you are counter claiming what?

[Iron Butterfly]

Just so I understand correctly...everyone finds it perfectly reasonable for Town Jail keeper to want a mass claim so he can discover what again??

And you are counter claiming what?

answer the question Storr. What logic is there in wanting a mass claim knowing you are a PR and the type of possible setup you are in?

No one answers the question.

[StorrZerg]

To confirm myself as town. To know if a bp is in the game, to know if there is a rb.

He set the claim mass claim up in hopes of outing a mafia fake claim. If he didn't claim first then his plan makes more sense. He can confirm bp, rather than have doubt that bp is fake after.

His plan had merit, and claiming today prevents us from having to decide tomorrow. Any pr claim tomorrow after 2 town deaths is sketch. Mafia are sure to claim that day, and town could very well mislynch. It's not like he is cop waiting for more checks.

[StorrZerg]

The fact that you are thinking about it in and overly defensive manner regarding claims screams scum. It was the act you despised, something easy to fake as scum.

[Marashu]

Just so I understand correctly...everyone finds it perfectly reasonable for Town Jail keeper to want a mass claim so he can discover what again??

As I said, I thought of a good reason for jailkeeper to want a massclaim. If town agrees to massclaim and BP claims first, then the town will have 2 confirmed towns that day, and 1 confirmed town for pretty much the rest of the game. Early claiming BP is a bad move for mafia because it's really easily counter-claimed with low cost to the town, with only 1/6 chance of there being no conflicting claims (guaranteed to be a conflicting/counter claim if they have a roleblocker, and 75% of it if they do not have a roleblocker). Besides information from people's reactions and checking for fakeclaims, in the case of a BP the jailkeeper is giving the town a confirmed townie. However, that falls short if the jailkeeper claims first. There was too much pressure on Streaker at that time for people to go along with it. With the BP claiming after, if they are BP they will no longer be absorbing night kills and cannot be taken for confirmed town, which is why if a jailkeeper claims, the BP should not, in my opinion.

With that said, I do think we have a roleblocker, because of the night kill. I am convinced that HotShot's death was to prevent the town from using a PR on him. Why, though? In most set-ups, there would be little reason to fear this. In the case of a cop/doc pair, though, the town would have 2 confirmed towns, with a 3rd hiding in the wings to keep the confirmed towns safe at night. It would be best for mafia to try and take out the most likely target of a cop search, which is, in my opinion, HotShot, fearing the 50% chance of it being a cop/doc pair (because they know it's 50/50 since they have a roleblocker). To me, it's the only thing that makes sense, and it fits in really well with Streaker jailkeeper/WCG BP.

Though I do need to say, I'm not happy with you, Streaker. Why did you keep the door to my room locked to I couldn't rescue my precious stamps?