WoT:Mem of Light An Ending

[aage]

Aage! You are supposed to stay quiet and just let Rage night kill me! I am completely redundant at this point.

Suck it, that night kill is mine!

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

VC:
Sam-aage
Newguy1-Storr
WCG: Hotshot53, madmitch,Ragian Doom Tim
Gregwolf:WCG, aage,Marashu, Storr Hotshot
C9: Timwoodbury

Updated the VC with changes shown in bold and strikethroughs. I wont guarentee legitimacy of what was there before.

Aage,

I'd also like to take this opportunity to apologise to Hotshot, I needed you to come outside your comfort zone as you are ridiculously reserved, that was the easiest way but not necessarily the best way for me to do so.

[new guy1]

Well he did lie. N3 Mitch2.0 was not visited. The ONLY thing that could change that is if there is a role that goes incognito to watchers, and I think gregwolf would have claimed that he could not be seen by watchers. He could have been switched, but it doesn't change the fact that mitch2.0 could not have been roleblocked when nobody was there. I don't know why he would claim to be roleblocked unless he was covering for greg, so that pretty much writes them both as scum in my book. Tim, I don't know why it matters that you went to william N2, but I can't confirm it as I was redirected to wing from my initial pick, Buj (we wanted to see if he was drawing attention during the night, we didn't know if our day play would get one of us NK'ed). Wing, I remember Mandy claimed busdriver, and I thought someone else claimed to be switched N3 which would point to someone else lying or another driver, though I have to check that after work to see if anyone claimed to have been switched that night.

@aage- I would like to hear why Tim was "strongly inclined to believe me" (something along those lines) before we go to lynch him. Not today because the reason would be out of place (we have candidates for a lynch, don't need to pressure him for it). Of course he could be scum just trying to get town credit, but I am inclined to believe that until at least Mitch2.0 is lynched, most likely greg as well, that he isn't a top candidate for lynch. I don't have a read on Sam, so I don't have input on that part of your list.

FPx3

[Ragian]

Very sorry for the triple post everyone, but I just confirmed those were my actions and if you all trust that there is no mischief about with the night actions (the switches happening N1/2, not 3) then mitch definitely just lied about being blocked, because I saw no one visited night 3 (buj thought he would be popular having just gotten back in, but it was the opposite). I'm ready for either to be lynched, I don't think there's any mess up this time with roles surprising us, etc.

So you definitely know that Mitch has lied, right? Explain to a weekend warrior why we're lynching Greg, not mitch..

Rage I will tell you at the start of D5. So you can nightkill me and hope nobody knows or just surrender.

This is either redundant or untowny. Redundant if you're scum because scum won't nightkill themselves (unless they pity town) or untowny if you're trying to set up a lynch train on another towny in the weird case that you should be nk'ed.

So, let's say we lynch Greg. What do we learn? Who are his scum buddies?

Tim, Sam, you. In that order.

Why not mitch who has lied according to newguy? Tim because he's playing like Tim? Sam, I can understand. That you're scutinising probably stems from hurt nuts, right?

Okay, so mitch was in your next. Do you want to substitute anyone off your list?

Aage! You are supposed to stay quiet and just let Rage night kill me! I am completely redundant at this point.

Some of my favourite moments are when you're so high on yourself

@Newguy, whom are you voting and why? You seem to at least like the game, not yourself.

[StorrZerg]

Idk what mitch is, seems like an odd thing to lie about. It's possible his action failed for a different reason, letting him think he was blocked. Aka commuting.

I mean if his action happened here, he just calls Greg a lair and lynches him. I don't see what mitch has to gain other wise. Maybe both mafia, hence trying to save Greg? But they both mafia then.

[Ragian]

I need to hear from Mets, Mars, and Doom. What are you guys takes on the current situation?

[Marashu]

I agree with Storr that mitch might have failed for a different reason and is misinterpreting the results. I would like to hear how he is so certain he was roleblocked - was he told he was rb'd, was he told his action failed or had no result, or did he simply see that it didn't work at daystart? Depending on his answer, I may change my vote. If mitch2.0 is scum, Tim must be scum, since he apparently got a town read. (note that I do not think if mitch is town that Tim must be town)

[TimWoodbury]

Yall say im skum i dare yah lynch me today hell you shoulda lynched me yesterday when i blatenly cime out from get go and said skum...wo again i dare you lynch me today

[madmitch]

Well something happened , because the person I picked is still alive, and no I am not telling who.

[TimWoodbury]

so since im dareing yall to kill me ill give yall this

this is 100% LYLO... yalls guess as to how many skum there is, is underestimated...matter of fact after tonight if yall dont lynch me yall lose...simpy put tonight u kill anyone but me 2 more town dies bringing it to 11 alive to make 6 for a lynch....

u lynch me you kill a skum gurentee and only 1 town dies and 12 dies and tomarrow will be LYLO.

really there is only 1 choice here... i was blocked N2 and that is why there was only 1 N2 kill.

[TimWoodbury]

AAGE was suppose to die on N2 as well so again i got blocked or he got saved not sure what happened but it is LYLO so LYNCH me today and Dark still has a chance to win OR LYNCH anyone but me and us awsome LIGHT folks win choice is up to yall...again LYLO right here make ur choice

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Tim, you claimed JOAT with 1x cop check earlier, are you now claiming Joat with 1x cop check and unlimited vig?

Just claim Joker already.

[TimWoodbury]

wing wing wing you silly boy i got a few things i can choose from at night. cop was 1 of them. im simply trying to help town because i feel bad for yall want it to last a lil longer because like i said its LYLO with more then 5 skum.....

[TimWoodbury]

see right now town needs 8 to get a lynch yall aint gonna get 8 with only town lets just say that

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

funny because im a joat with also cop x1 and i investigated on N@2 William and got Dark for him not sure if i somehow got a bad read or what but i dont think greg is the safe lynch(thus why i started to swap actions directed to him with people)

[TimWoodbury]

see you showed right there i lied so lyers get lynched right so lets policy lynch myself.

[DoomYoshi]

I'm only skimming through right now, I'm on vacation. I support a mitch lynch.

[new guy1]

Very sorry for the triple post everyone, but I just confirmed those were my actions and if you all trust that there is no mischief about with the night actions (the switches happening N1/2, not 3) then mitch definitely just lied about being blocked, because I saw no one visited night 3 (buj thought he would be popular having just gotten back in, but it was the opposite). I'm ready for either to be lynched, I don't think there's any mess up this time with roles surprising us, etc.

So you definitely know that Mitch has lied, right? Explain to a weekend warrior why we're lynching Greg, not mitch..

Rage I will tell you at the start of D5. So you can nightkill me and hope nobody knows or just surrender.

This is either redundant or untowny. Redundant if you're scum because scum won't nightkill themselves (unless they pity town) or untowny if you're trying to set up a lynch train on another towny in the weird case that you should be nk'ed.

So, let's say we lynch Greg. What do we learn? Who are his scum buddies?

Tim, Sam, you. In that order.

Why not mitch who has lied according to newguy? Tim because he's playing like Tim? Sam, I can understand. That you're scutinising probably stems from hurt nuts, right?

Okay, so mitch was in your next. Do you want to substitute anyone off your list?

Aage! You are supposed to stay quiet and just let Rage night kill me! I am completely redundant at this point.

Some of my favourite moments are when you're so high on yourself

@Newguy, whom are you voting and why? You seem to at least like the game, not yourself.

I already said that I assume greg is scum and want him lynched because mitch's slip came from vouching that he was blocked (he never specified a night, but it was presumed the same night as greg as he said "I don't know if it was greg but I was blocked", indicating a N3 block as specified in greg's post. Because the slip happened trying to solidify greg's role, and his night actions, I assume that they are buddies, because why lie about being blocked when nobody visited you other than to vouch for your scum buddy. I don't understand your last part, I like myself and this game, so...

Reading Tim's implosion, I would assume Tim is a goon trying to deter us from lynching a better role, or is trying to get lynched as part of his role. I still support a greg/Mitch lynch, followed by the other, followed by Tim, unless we decide he's a joker. Also, it wasn't answered above for ragian, I have my vote on Greg, but it would appear that my vote has been stolen, or rish missed it, last vote count as testament. Perhaps a roleblocker should be on one of our scum choices tonight so that we can try to assure 1/no night kills tonight.

[aage]

You're hilarious Tim.

Lynch Greg.

[TimWoodbury]

okay lynch greg and watch dark fall 2 at a night..... lets see kill greg its 13 2 more die at night and its 11 takes 6 to lynch and guess what skum all get togehter quick lynch brings to 10 2 more die brings to 8 skum gets another super quick lynch brings to 7 and the final NK happens and us light forces win...

so again games over in 2 days if u lynch anyone other then me

[TimWoodbury]

greg very possably COULD be skum but as i said its LYLO and dark loses if im not lynched today and thats a fact as i outlined above

[new guy1]

Yeah but see that makes absolutely no sense. You're not telling us something, and that something is that you're lying, or that you have an ability so powerful that you MUST be lynched, and you are so stupid that you're telling us right out the gate that you're super important. It makes no sense. It's a good(?) effort, but not one that many would fall for. If it's true, bravo, but I don't understand why you would even risk something like that. We'll lynch you another day, maybe tomorrow, if not then mitch2.0, we'll see about your two kill theory when it comes to fruition. You're probably just trying to get us off a real important role, it's the most logical thing, IMO. If you want to be compelling, tell us why we have to lynch you, mister informative

[DoomYoshi]

lynching wolf is stupid. mitch lying about the block only makes sense if he is scum and greg is town or they are both scum. There are 2 possible scenarios. Greg lied but may have been redirected (we know there are multiple busdrivers in this game). madmitch lied and can't have been redirected. the fact that aage and wing are still pushing the greg mislynch is further proof that they are scum.

[new guy1]

I agree that the lynch on mitch is more sure, the reasons I am sticking on greg are 1) I don't know that I have a vote and 2) Mitch confirmed he was blocked even though he had no visitors. It only makes sense that he would confirm greg's action when they are buddies, otherwise he had no reason to bring attention to himself and lie about it. He was trying to help out, if greg was a townie then mitch2.0 had no reason to lie, which it was a lie.

[Metsfanmax]

Well something happened , because the person I picked is still alive, and no I am not telling who.

I find it interesting that aage and new guy haven't acknowledged this post, and are still basically making the same case as before. mitch, are you claiming that you designated someone to be killed? You have basically already softclaimed this, please be explicit about it so that we can judge greg appropriately.