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Skittles. I am going to say this once. There is a line. You keep crossing it. Stop it.Skittles! wrote: Grow the f*ck up Nark, stop being a cunt. I may be passive aggressive towards people who attacks others, but at least I'm not pissing every other player off. Learn to take criticism.
But he needs someone to hold his hand, and Skoffin moved to a different continent... Maybe Skittles was too aggressive..WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:Skittles. I am going to say this once. There is a line. You keep crossing it. Stop it.Skittles! wrote: Grow the f*ck up Nark, stop being a cunt. I may be passive aggressive towards people who attacks others, but at least I'm not pissing every other player off. Learn to take criticism.
virus90 wrote: I think Anarkist is a valuable asset to any game.
You know... This WOULD have been the hammer... Doom, I would have expected you to know that and yet you did not unvote, and because that the day is still dragging on and panties are twisting in the wind...Anarkistsdream wrote:Unvote and revote, dork.DoomYoshi wrote:Last year or so they doubled the amount of posts per page on this site, so in the old days, we would have reached 80 pages by now.
I'll hammer, just for the hell of it.
vote Fircoal
virus90 wrote: I think Anarkist is a valuable asset to any game.
The choice is clearly between fircoal and mitch, read literally any of my earlier posts to see my position on themnagerous wrote:Aage your unvote and vote was ultra scummy - are you not even going to bother to post any reasoning or thoughts?
This is a terrible idea, if we don't lynch Fircoal he'll be dead by morning anyway.Minister Masket wrote:That looks like a solid claim to me. Especially if no-one else counter-claims it. Granted that's unlikely considering the number of Pokemon available, but still.
I have a proposal for everyone currently on the Fircoal bandwagon. I will recruit Fircoal tonight if you switch your votes elsewhere. If we're then both alive on Day 2, I will then confirm his role.
BuJaber wrote:So my choices here are either believe fircoal, unvote and not vote for mitch, in which case mitch probably gets lynched. Or believe fircoal & vote for him anyway, or not believe him and do nothing.
Damn it I wish you would have claimed sooner.
Voting for anyone because they insult/antagonize people is not good for the game. We deal with that some other way. If you don't like what they say ask the mod the blacklist them from future games. Lynching people because you don't like them is ridiculous. Unless you're some sort of unique 3rd party role you can't win a game of mafia by yourself. You're stuck with everyone who signed up for now.
DoomYoshi wrote:Nark, I'm still working on my D1 information gathering. The fake hammer didn't really help. I know who MM picked as the starting pokemon now and I'm pretty sure they have day talk. I am going to do a reread on dakky in the next couple of days. Once I get his partner 100%, I'm off to scumhunt. Give me 10 more pages and I will have the whole game figured out.
virus90 wrote: I think Anarkist is a valuable asset to any game.
saxitoxin wrote:Serbia is a RUDE DUDE
may not be a PRUDE, but he's gotta 'TUDE
might not be LEWD, but he's gonna get BOOED
RUDE
People are trying and posting, we have 42 pages worth of text for fucks sake. Everyone is very busy with work and Xmas, I have been mostly posting on public transport for instance just when I have a chance. Sure there may be a couple of inactives but most people are making the effort to find time to contribute.Anarkistsdream wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:Nark, I'm still working on my D1 information gathering. The fake hammer didn't really help. I know who MM picked as the starting pokemon now and I'm pretty sure they have day talk. I am going to do a reread on dakky in the next couple of days. Once I get his partner 100%, I'm off to scumhunt. Give me 10 more pages and I will have the whole game figured out.
The fake hammer didn't help? No shit!
10 more pages? For day 1?
No. I am so tired of of actually TRYING to spend time on this game for nothing... I was asked and I thought that meant that others were going to put forth effort and play.. Instead, there are 10-14 players who view this game as an aside, at most. I work 60 hours a week between 2 jobs and still post this often... Plus I am married and a chairman on a board... I am glad that everyone else thinks 20 minutes every three or four days is enough, but that is not me... You agreed to do something for Mandy and agreed to put forth energy for every other player...
That's going to be very interesting. I was looking forward to you posting something about me, but nothing came of this. What gives?Skittles! wrote:Whoaaaaaaaaaaaa okay. Well that changed things. Need to look over who was gunning for Marashu, and analyse those posts.
Why not vote Nag, then? I could get behind that.strike wolf wrote:Nag I want to believe on a personal level but there have been some good points brought up about him.
I have never understood this. We don't even have a deadline. Why not make the case you can to see how many would want a piece of the action? And absolute certainty D1? I've never seen that bar a lucky day cop.strike wolf wrote:Frankly I think I'd rather go after Serbia than either of them but it's too late in the progression of the day to suggest starting a new lynch candidate unless I was absolutely certain.
No you don't, and no we don't.DoomYoshi wrote:The fake hammer didn't really help. I know who MM picked as the starting pokemon now and I'm pretty sure they have day talk. I am going to do a reread on dakky in the next couple of days. Once I get his partner 100%, I'm off to scumhunt. Give me 10 more pages and I will have the whole game figured out.
Your choice of wording there basically confirms that this is pure rubbish on your part. And Day talk is an extremely overpowered feature (imo) and mandy is an experienced enough mod to know not to include it. I do know which faction though likes to spam misinformation during the day phase, so thanks for that. Not hard enough evidently.Yoshi wrote:Nark, I'm still working on my D1 information gathering.
Actually if I'm successful in recruiting Fircoal then I'm 99% sure I'll survive. Hence why I put the idea forward after seeing his claim. If he's lying then it might go a bit tits up but that's unlikely.Serbia wrote:This game feels like it's about to stall out. Masket's idea is a bad one - I can't imagine he'll be able to survive the night, so any promises he makes regarding recruitment are worthless.
What?? The trainers are essentially against each other. Why would they "sing the same tunes"? If I'm a town trainer and she is Gary or TR as you say then really we'd be trying to undermine each other. I'm not too sure why you're not grasping this concept yet since everyone else here seems to be.DoomYoshi wrote:Well if you don't have daytalk with skoffin, then she must be Gary or the Team Rocket trainer. You are singing the same tunes which implies daytalk or at least the same role PM.
You answered your own question here more or less. If I had been able to fully read up on and make a case on Serbia a couple days earlier, I might have been willing to push it but the fact is at this point, I'd have to feel that a. The case is strong enough to warrant the change of position (and I'm not sure it is) and b. That there would be enough people willing to switch their votes to the Serbia (or Nag) case to make it worth while and right now, I believe it would only switch the votes more at a time when we are getting to a point where day should be winding down. Posts are already dragging. We still have a decent number chiming in from time to time but the main activity over the last few days has been Nark wanting to end the day, other people agreeing or disagreeing whether the day should end, Wing saying stuff (which half the time is nothing) and Skittles apparently losing his cool over Nark's postings. As far as Nag, I've seen some support for the idea of a Nag lynch but he has become more active as the day's become more serious. Either way, without rereading and finding something new or a better case presented on him, he wouldn't be my top lynch choice even if Chu flips town.Ragian wrote:I am hung over from a three day binge. Sorry for not being alive during the weekend. Loads of things happened, but other things never happened.
That's going to be very interesting. I was looking forward to you posting something about me, but nothing came of this. What gives?Skittles! wrote:Whoaaaaaaaaaaaa okay. Well that changed things. Need to look over who was gunning for Marashu, and analyse those posts.
Why not vote Nag, then? I could get behind that.strike wolf wrote:Nag I want to believe on a personal level but there have been some good points brought up about him.
I have never understood this. We don't even have a deadline. Why not make the case you can to see how many would want a piece of the action? And absolute certainty D1? I've never seen that bar a lucky day cop.strike wolf wrote:Frankly I think I'd rather go after Serbia than either of them but it's too late in the progression of the day to suggest starting a new lynch candidate unless I was absolutely certain.
Maxleod wrote:Not strike, he's the only one with a functioning brain.
It orbits out in space, for the record.WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:AhemSkoffin wrote: Of course, why wouldn't anyone crush on me. My dick is the biggest one here.
Ok, babes, if you say so...Skoffin wrote: Trainers can't catch humans and pokemon can't get xp from humans.
I don't know where you saw any of that, and something I mentioned previously is that I think you have some of his points mixed up. I do believe you confused things between trainers relating to Professor Oak and trainers that do not have anything to do with Professor Oak. I'm not getting the where the assumption that all trainers must be scum came from to begin with.Talapus wrote:His wording...easy. He distanced the fact the bad players were in fact trainers, stated it a few times in fact, than completely flipped and agreed with the fact. The basis that he is a trainer and a trainer death is going to get us the most info is the best I think but that ship has sailed 40 pages in and Christmas around the corner. So MM will wait until another day.Skoffin wrote:
@Talapus I asked you about your case on Masket and why you were voting him on his wording, your argument contradicted itself. Do you still feel masket is scum and if so why? [/color]
nagerous wrote:Ragian we have a one week deadline, but feel free to analyse/critique my posts if you wish. You will find I have made some useful points/posts throughout the game that you may have skimmed earlier
I'll go have a look. And surely a week is fine? This post is from the joke vote stage, so I'm not going to go into anything here really...nagerous wrote:Minister Masket wrote:[Bugcatcher Kwanton wants to battle!]
[Send out Pikachu?]
[Yes]
Go Pikachu! Use Thunderbolt on Kwanton!
[It's super eff-]
Oh uhh...ahem...excuse me...
Vote Kwanton because he voted himself and that's always suspicious.
Where was Pokemon roles mentioned? I assumed it would all be trainers. Then again my memory of the Indigo series is very fuzzy. I know there've been loads of trainers introduced over the years but perhaps there weren't that many way back then.
Original series, the main trainers are Ash, Brock and Misty, then you have Team Rocket and various gym leaders/noobs they meet in standalone episodes.
Either way it seems like you are soft claiming a trainer, which is a slight mistake on your part, but not necessarily scummy.
I am going to vote Serbia as all Serbians should be considered suspicious in Trump's new America.
Guesswork really. No one knows what Mandy has chosen. Must be noted, though, that it has some bearings on this game in the sense that Nag uses his knowledge of Pokemon to question others.nagerous wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:In Gen 1 we called it Harden.Fircoal wrote:FYI there is a move called protect.Minister Masket wrote:I was banking on the 'almost' part of that rule being true and that there's at least some protective-type role out there. I wouldn't have thought Pokemon can defend themselves since most moves (in the games at least) are offensive.kwanton wrote: 3. No, or almost no (I'm still working on figuring out playable alternatives for the last two roles), "classic" Mafia powers are going to feature in this game.
Wonder if this counts for scum as well as town. Could scum maybe be able to do something else besides kill at night since thats what they classically do?
... it does exactly that.
However, it was only introduced in Gen II. (wow it feels like it's been around forever. SO MANY YEARS.)
While I respect your bold play MM, I must also unvote vote Masket. Before roles are handed out, it's fair to assume a game called Pokemon would feature Pokemon. I think your comment is a legitimate slip.
Can you elaborate please on how you think that makes him scummy ? Is your suggestion that all trainers are scum as that would be invalid. In the anime there are bad and good trainers, and good and bad Pokemon too (koffing, meowth, ekans) etc
This is exactly my point. So why spend time doing this? Why spend time doing something that is pure speculation? It clogs and fogs up the thread.nagerous wrote:Obviously no one can answer these questions, apart from the mod. Any commentary at the moment is based on pure speculation from our understanding of Pokemon and the first generation. You should realise thismadmitch wrote:Okay guys and gals the only thing I know about Pokemon is what I see on netflicks, I have been reading about them in wiki and am starting to make some sense of it all. So what I got so far from all the posts that we are in Indigo league which is Gen. 1 and the bad guys are Team Rocket , am I correct ? If so why would anyone bring up team rocket when we all know they are scum? was it a slip or are they as mentioned before looking for town cred? H ow many teams are there? As someone else asked are the trainers fighting against other trainers? How many trainers are there? and are there pokemons without trainers? These questions must be answered before we get a good sense who to go after. Can someone answer any of these questions?
Still speculating...nagerous wrote:Why can't it be both ways? A TR KO is good for all no or do you disagree with this view point. Can you please expand on your line of thinking here?DoomYoshi wrote:I'm still two pages behind but ffs. Either the wild pokemon are town (they are) or the cult-recruiting trainers are town. It can't be both ways.
Zzzzz...nagerous wrote:Interesting how Minister Masket voted dakky. This seems to suggest that this is not how the mechanic works. With the amount of wild Pokemon claims going around and also comments about starter Pokemon it could easily be scum that recruited dakky as much as it is town.
I was theorising based on what we know that Ash would start with Pikachu (electric), Brock with geodude (ground) and misty staryu (water)
Gary doesn't have a Pokemon in particular in the anime and Team rockets Pokemon are poison ones and I am not convinced poison Pokemon in the game so they could have easily recruited dakky from the wild Pokemon.
This also from the guy who didn't seem 100% at first in regards to believing Tim's claim. I feel you would have known this.
More guesses (I highlighted the verb).nagerous wrote:Whilst I am spouting accusations out there I am starting to think dakky might be Gary's starter Pokemon choice, just the way Masket voted immediately gives me the impression this isn't a generic trainer mechanic..strike wolf wrote:If your theory is correct, I would like masket to elaborate on this. I admit it sounds very strange to me that someone would be given a role pm for one thing and then told that they were now recruited before the game actually began.nagerous wrote:Interesting how Minister Masket voted dakky. This seems to suggest that this is not how the mechanic works. With the amount of wild Pokemon claims going around and also comments about starter Pokemon it could easily be scum that recruited dakky as much as it is town.
I was theorising based on what we know that Ash would start with Pikachu (electric), Brock with geodude (ground) and misty staryu (water)
Gary doesn't have a Pokemon in particular in the anime and Team rockets Pokemon are poison ones and I am not convinced poison Pokemon in the game so they could have easily recruited dakky from the wild Pokemon.
This also from the guy who didn't seem 100% at first in regards to believing Tim's claim. I feel you would have known this.
Lynching mitch under the idea that he is a team rocket recruited pokemon is the same as Lynching any other cult recruit. It makes sense as a back up lynch but we should at least discuss who are the possible cult recruiters before aiming at the recruits as Lynching recruits only delays the inevitable.
fos Nark. Seems you are the only wild pokemon not to know about the other types.
However I couldn't give two shits about Gary even if he has some other win cons thrown out there involving trainers. The goal is to catch team rocket so I would like to hear from Nark for saying he was never told the types of Pokemon.
Most of us know about at least five types but I am going to guess there is another type out there who doesn't play to the same roles out there and may not know about the strengths and weaknesses of each type, the normal type..
So, I may be one of the few in this game that don't know Pokemon, but I can't see how this has benefitted the game at all.nagerous wrote:Masket, what I was saying is there may be other types of Pokemon in the game, they are just not wild ones. If team rocket is in the game you would expect meowth. Mandy only confirms there are four types of wild Pokemon.Minister Masket wrote:That works both ways though. Why claim so early and without pressure if you were town recruited?dakky21 wrote:To answer all of you in a single rhetoric question: If I was claimed by TR, why would I go ahead and claim I am claimed by a trainer?
I know who my trainer is (one of you knows as well) and I know I am still "town" so claiming while unnecessary and without pressure (I had a vote or two on myself) was productive to generate more talk.
If it was purely to generate more talk as you say then it makes no difference if you are now town, 3rd party or scum. It's the odds I don't trust.
The Fircoal vote is interesting
kwanton wrote: I don't know what to think about MM.
Welcome to my typical game strategy.
Really? That's interesting when you consider nagerous' post from a couple pages back:kwanton wrote:He just posted the 5 types like it was some sort of revelation, when it was obvious to all wild pokemon from their PMs. We've even been talking about it for the past few pages. Some of us knew exactly which types of wild pokemon are in the game. This is not a confirmation as to whether MM was correct about the role types or not.
Why would he at least consider the possibility of poison types being included if the other five types are so obvious?nagerous wrote: Gary doesn't have a Pokemon in particular in the anime and Team rockets Pokemon are poison ones and I am not convinced poison Pokemon in the game so they could have easily recruited dakky from the wild Pokemon.
And then there's this a few posts later:
He seems to believe there's six types, not five. So I wouldn't say any theory is set in stone as of yet since you two aren't on the same page.nagerous wrote:Most of us know about at least five types but I am going to guess there is another type out there who doesn't play to the same roles out there and may not know about the strengths and weaknesses of each type, the normal type..
Here Nag takes an active stance on something related to the game. I did wonder, though, why he didn't complain that BuJ suggested that one can throw out too many theories that can't be confirmed nor denied. I feel Nag has exactly this (although not in a mitch way, of course).nagerous wrote:Haha, clutching at straws imho unless he is playing jester the post would make no sense. How would he be slipping under the radar as one of the most active posters? Either way a case is a case and it is good to get some conversation flowing.BuJaber wrote:dakky21 wrote: On the other hand, mitch asking questions which can't be answered yet is something completely different.
Exactly -- I noticed that. Too many questions for day 1... too few answers/theories provided by him. Reads like a post of someone trying to appear productive.
Also this slip up is almost too good to be true... but I can't ignore it so Unvote Vote Anarkist:
Anarkistsdream wrote: I also notice that , out of 26 people, we do not have many people who are even posting once a day... If they are town, they are just screwing the rest of us. If they are scum, we are far too easily slipping under the radar...
This is probably why: Nag wanted to be able to do this. If he had said that theorizing over game mechanics is good, he would have a harder time justifying this vote, I think.nagerous wrote:unvote as legionnare has now commented.
vote madmitch for your very limited contribution which has also been scummy with the multiple useless questions
nagerous wrote:Are you claiming third party?TimWoodbury wrote:quite honestly yall killing me aint gonna help to figure anything out except for 1 of the catagorys i listed in one of my last posts. im just running free of my own will like the wind blows the leaves
I would argue that someone with a lot of knowledge of Pokemon would have gathered that Tim was claiming a wild pokemon just above.nagerous wrote:Ugh I wrote a post but the iPad killed it. Anyway the jist of it was that unvote vote Tim
I have gone through the thread and his initial comments against Dakky have to be viewed as highly susupicious...and on that note strike wolf is also right to call Serbia out for his initial defending of Tim too. His most recent comments that I flagged don't sit comfortably with me either.
Colour me trusting perhaps but Minister Masket has done enough to proof his town-ness to me, there is no case there and those who are proponents for his Lynch still have to be viewed as suspicious.
Technically, this is also something to do with scumhunting. I added it in order not to get flack for leaving out bits intentionally (I may have left out bits, but it has been done unintentionally if I'm guilty).nagerous wrote:Ugh unvote
Please do not quote role PMs or win conditions even in paraphrasing format.
It is a massive no-no and can get you blacklisted from future games
My issue with this post is that Nag seems to throw a lot of suspicion around without getting behind his own thoughts with a vote.nagerous wrote:In regards to your game/anime commentary. As far as I know Team Rocket aren't actually in the game - apart from maybe Pokemon Yellow? The focus is on beating the Elite Four and collecting Gym badges etc. Calling it Indigo league is a reference to the anime as well, now if it was called Pokemon Red Mafia then we would be looking at the game characters rather than the anime characters.Minister Masket wrote:It's funny you should say that. As a trainer (apparently) I'm planning to catch all those who voted for me as such and force them to fight for their new trainer. Now that's dramatic irony.kwanton wrote:That's actually a really good point. We don't know for sure that trainers are recruiters, but it would make a lot of sense. Don't put me on no lists. I don't want to have to battle for some trainer.The Weird One wrote:Ontop of that, assuming that trainers are cult like in their abilities, who could they recruit? Let's look at the games, anime, and whatever other pokemon media you can find, shall we? Let's see, they can't exactly capture other trainers, and the overwhelming norm is that they can't capture pokemon from other trainers. So, going off of that, it's a simple leap of logic that the trainers in this game can only recruit pokemon that aren't belonging to other trainers. Your "non-scum" list is simply a target list for the cult leaders.
Alright, let's do some maths here. (That's math if you're American, and fat).
26 players.
3 Town Trainers (Ash/Misty/Brock) OR 1 Town Trainer (Red) if game is based on Anime or Game respectively. I'm leaning more towards the latter because of how Mandy wrote the opening, and perhaps having three town trainers would be slightly OP.
3 Town Pokemon (Pikachu/Staryu/Geodude) OR just Pikachu.
1 Rival (Gary Oak) - He has to be here. There's always a rival in Pokemon, and it fits Mandy's setup page..
1 Rival Pokemon (Eevee I guess?)
2 Scum (Team Rocket)
1 Scum Pokemon (Meowth)
So if we go down the 'Game' route, that's 7 non-wild roles. I'm gonna toss Giovanni in there to make up the scum numbers which makes 8.
So around 18 Wild Pokemon up for grabs if this is right - and it might not be. This is pure speculating on my part.
So my question now is if Wing's list and this reasoning is accurate, why has he only named 5 or 6 players? Where are the other dozen?
Role power limitation, or something more suspicious? Hmm.
The focus is on defeating Team Rocket for all the pro-town characters, now there may be a case of dual WCs, i.e survive, win the league but the main overall aim for all is to defeat Team Rocket who are the enemies.
I would hazard a guess that we are facing Jessie, James and their starter pokemon Koffing and Ekans and then also Meowth who isn't really an owned pokemon and likely his own entity. Now if they can also recruit/catch wild pokemon on top of that then that would make them pretty seriously overpowered but that is something we as town need to be concerned about.
That is why it is imperative we continue to look up for slip ups. Kwan made a great catch earlier but Skittles! has justifiably saved himself from his initial mistake.
Also, just because someone is mentioned in an opening scene, does not guarantee they are a playable character, many mods have used NPCs in staging scenes and there is always so much you can read into a scene with the rest often being moderator 'flair.'
The posters I find most suspicious from their actions so far are Exile, Dakky and DoomYoshi. Exile however as per above from missing his win condition, I think is worth a pass for now as that's pretty unfortunate. Also, I don't think this clears him like some of the other posters have insinuated, though it does give him a free pass for now, it just simply means his end-goal wasn't fully confirmed to him. Mandy is more careful than this.
This is the danger of drunk posting, you can slip up if not careful. You're basically saying here that you believe him but you don't really know if true or not. He pretty much wrote out his role PM and his win condition so if you were on the side against team rocket you should have known instantly if it was similar to yours or not, rather than choosing to believe him at that particular instance.dakky21 wrote:For some reason I believe you... I may be drunk now but my meta on you says you're telling the truth. I can be wrong but... but... but... you scream to me as a town. Or a wild pokemon. Or whatever.TimWoodbury wrote:didnt quote i paraphrased nut like i said i commited suacide hope yallnhappy least yall know moe then yah woulda had u just killed me
I'm still with mitch and I don't intend to change the vote soon.
Maybe he saw the part of his win condition that told him that the goal was to ensure that a certain group of villains do not win. Now even if there is a survivor element to the win condition too I still call this a pro-town win condition. The fact that you question this suggests to me that you do not know it is town vs scum ergo are not on the side of the town.dakky21 wrote:I'm wondering how do YOU know it is town vs. scum?WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:Anarks posts contain something that he can only know as town.
Final point on Dakky is the below. Now I haven't played with a lot of people in this game as it has been a good few years since my last mafia game on the site but I also find metagame commentary very useful. Like for instance when people were commenting on Spurgistan's lack of activity and declaring it questionable, I know to ignore it as Spurgistan is always inactive as f*ck and thus he had to be replaced. Same with Kwanton voting himself and Fircoal spamming + fooling around, Nark getting into a slanging match etc. this is pretty standard behaviour.
Not having played with Dakky before (apologies if I actually have years back) I found this comment pretty below interesting. Unusual behaviour not sticking himself out and expressing too many opinions. Now I know he got in his 'beef' with Tim at the beginning and rightly so as Tim fucked up. Now his focus is just on madmitch who I agree has come across as scummy in his behaviour and would potentially make a decent day 1 lynch but is this just a case of targeting the easy lynch rather than getting stuck in?
BuJaber wrote: Dakky - Healthy level of skepticism he's showing, but based on previous experiences, less talking, less sticking his neck out with his opinions, less voting activity in general. Maybe it's just the size of the game, which is overwhelming I admit, but worth noting.
Still no vote.nagerous wrote:Thanks though I will have to call you out on skimming slightly in regards to Dakky, my final point though more of a side point to the main crux of my case was that actually for all intents and purposes is focused purely on the case against madmitch and set on keeping his vote on him when perhaps this was a case of just targeting the easy lynch. He hasn't defended and suggested madmitch is town at all, it is the opposite.BuJaber wrote:I think we can all agree that this is one exciting day 1. It feels like a full game all by itself.
Back to business:
Nag - good thoughts about dakky. Doesn't clear you of suspicions, but yes dakky is a very reasonable target. There are both meta clues and game related reasons why that is. He's more scared than usual and he's asking questions no townie should need to ask.
Last game I got frustrated with mitch's posts I voted him and ended up being wrong. I'd hate for it to happen again, but he's been jumping around with the votes, contradicting himself, asking too many questions, and just acting strangely. I know he tends to attract attention in all games, but it looks like we won't be able to ignore this much longer. Also dakky seems to think he's town; from what I've seen from these two, dakky's scumradar should be picking up major signals from mitch. I think they could be scum buddies this time.
Just mentioning them because I would be willing to change my vote to them if need be. Keeping my vote as is for now. TWO's unvote and change in tone in his recent posts aren't convincing by themselves.. seems like an attempt by scum to reduce the heat on himself.
I am eagerly awaiting Exile's next post(s) because Mandy just made him the star of the show.
A new and exiting case, but no change of vote. I know that if I like a case D1, I'd get behind it. At least that gives us information. This seems non-committal.nagerous wrote:Mandy's post has taken everything we thought so far and thrown it upside down.WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:There was something Tim didnt mention about his role. Wild Pokemon know why highlighting trainers is important.Skittles! wrote: I'm concerned as to why they are trying to go after trainers as well, esp if the trainers are town.
Skittles has been quick to show that he knows how win condition, but is also apparent he doesnt know our full role pm.Skittles! wrote: I am a wild pokemon and word to word that is my win condition.
Found your first scum.
Unvote Vote Skittles
I actually like this case a lot - I had skittles down as pro-town and trustworthy from his earlier post but now knowing what we know about Mafia knowing the wild Pokemon win conditions - this up front defence has to be treated as very suspect.
Another point speaking for voting for Skittles. No vote, though.nagerous wrote:Skittles! wrote: Furthermore, I think it's bad that now every player knows how wild Pokemon roles work, but those Pokemon don't know how other players work. This rly puts them at a disadvantage and why I don't agree with Wing making up a constant list.
Call it pedantic on my part or call it a slip I just feel this is another comment from Skittles that is worth being brought to this attention. Before his big reveal that he was a wild pokemon and quoting his win condition, he was moaning about Wing making a list and talked about wild pokemon and 'them' being at a disadvantage, use of plural third person rather than plural first person suggests to me that you aren't a wild pokemon otherwise you would have said 'those who are wild pokemon' rather than 'them' which implies to me you are not one and later was fake claiming.
So...should we go after Mets, then?nagerous wrote:Explain your reasoning? Even if Mandy gave everyone the wild pokemon win conditions, it is pretty clear that Tim is one still, just from his over-reaction and spew of all role details as part of the temper tantrum he pulled.Metsfanmax wrote:I am playing. unvote, vote Tim
The fact you just voted him now makes you pretty scummy....
nagerous wrote:Anarkistsdream wrote:
Skoffin wrote:So you are saying because no one was talking about what you wanted to talk about, instead of trying to force your input on in anyway, you decided to be weaksauce and just walk off for a few days? Is this what you plan to do throughout the game? Pls, don't be such a vagina.Anarkistsdream wrote:There are those of us who were trainer hunting from the beginning, me included... That is why I have not posted since Friday... Because these other arguments have been ridiculous until mets decided he should be a complete cunt.
This coming from a person who MAYBE posts once a day? At least I admit to it... And I still keep up with th thread... Wow, another hypocrite. Put more into the game if you think you deserve to be up on that soapbox...
@exile
I was never told the types of pokemon... Only what I was... I have no idea how many types there are or what they are... So I agree with you there.
You were not told the other types of Pokemon, only what you are?
Did I read that right?
Is that you Meowth?
nagerous wrote:Anarkistsdream wrote:
I never said I was not told ANYTHING. I said I didn't know how many other types of Pokemon there were..
I'm not trying to be annoying but I feel like you just did directly below say you were only told what you were..
Anarkistsdream wrote: I was never told the types of pokemon... Only what I was...
nagerous wrote:Anarkistsdream wrote:Oh, and wasting your lynch on me is going to screw the game when Team Rocket abducts more wild pokemon in the night or kills a few of you...
Or, wait, how about this...
I MISREAD MY PM... There, does that make it all better? Whether I did or not is irrelevant, because, either way, people will still attack me. So, either deal with me and keep moving or kill me...
VOTE FIRCOAL
I don't know why but I believe you, even though I wanted to have caught you out red handed and there remains a strong case considering your continual denial for multiple pages on this topic, I oddly find you trustworthy still.
The Fircoal case is a very interesting one, he was quick to join the bandwagon and his reasoning wasn't very strong, it felt like he was just trying to follow the vanguard of opinion at the time rather than assert true views and true opinions if you compare the way he is playing to someone like Kwanton who is giving off a a very strong town vibe.
I am going to lay my cards on the table here and
vote Fircoal . Although I was one of the architects in the case against Nark with my highlighting of his initial error, we have garnered enough information out of him and other than a full role claim he won't provide much more of substance and the town have a choice now, do we Lynch him or do we trust him. I have a feeling we may end up split down the middle, but at the moment my opinion he has said enough throughout the game that I am convinced enough despite his errors he is in fact town.
Fircoal however has sat on the fence on many issues and hasn't got involved enough in the flavour spec and the question marks over wild Pokemon etc and that's why I have chosen to vote him in this case.
Just as a note I am going to be really busy the next few days with work and Xmas coming up so am not going to find much time to post unfortunately but will try and find time to check in when I can
nagerous wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:Been a few pages without a vote count. I think it's still pretty split among mitch/fircoal.
To anyone who thinks masket is a town trainer: why do you not also think dakky is therefore scum? He went from wild pokemon to cult pokemon and nobody seems to be bothered by it. Once again, towns want it both ways. You want wild Pokemon to be town and trainers to be town. You want the town trainers to be town and the obvious cult recruiter trainers to be town. As far as game mechanics goes, lynching dakky is the best bet so we can see what we are dealing with.
Only got time for a quick post but imo it would be quite a ballsy move to go out and claim what dakky did if he was scum and associated with team rocket. I am not too concerned about 'cult trainers' at this moment as it is less likely a team rocket thing and more a Gary thing. The goal is to catch team rocket so lynching a random claimed Pokemon won't necessarily help that.
Still he does remain in my suspicions following on from his unusual reaction to tim's role claim.
On fircoal vs Mitch I agree with other posters that the game is stagnating and a stalemate has risen which could mean a perpetual never ending day 1. I also think we need a deadline to get things going again.., I think from Mitch's posts though throughout the game he has proven more to me that he is a wild Pokemon in his sloppy manner of posting and I don't think there is enough merit in his case. As a noob he would be the easier case to push the Lynch through on but I don't feel personally there is enough basis for it to warrant my vote.
nagerous wrote:Well this wasn't fun to catch up and read. Is there really a need for all the name-calling and unpleasantness ?
Aage your unvote and vote was ultra scummy - are you not even going to bother to post any reasoning or thoughts?
Fircoal thanks for claiming, I am not sure if we can read much into the claim - the only thing I would note that Lapras is an unevolvable Pokemon. I am not sure what others were hoping but I was thinking some of the additional perks may include an evolution involvement and this would be the case for all. This is why I am not 100 percent convinced by the claim
nagerous wrote:That is additional perks of levelling up
nagerous wrote:Anarkistsdream wrote:Ragian wrote:I don't know what anti-M means... I am more than happy to change from Marashu if he actually participates.
Anti means against...
M was a shortening of Marashu's name...
He has one vote... so, again, all you are doing is wasting time, because nothing you are doing is going to get 13 other people to join your cause... Don't give it up, but do something that may actually have a real effect.
madmitch wrote:nagerous wrote:TimWoodbury wrote:quite honestly yall killing me aint gonna help to figure anything out except for 1 of the catagorys i listed in one of my last posts. im just running free of my own will like the wind blows the leaves
Are you claiming third party?
I think he is claiming that he is a wild pokemon
And by Nagerous not knowing that, he just outed himself as trainer.
I have no idea how you think you established that from my post. His final statement implies to me that this guy is working isn't someone I should trust. 'Running free' implies to me a one man band without the 'town' best interest at heart. That's the impression I get at least.
nagerous wrote:WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:legionnare wrote:madmitch wrote:come on guys , can't you take a joke? my post was per Mandys request that is all. My other post has some good points since I know very little about pokemon, I T WAS RELATED MORE TO THE SHOW THEN TO THIS GAME but I thought it might tie in. already told you Iwas not much on posting and Wcg post is very well formed and hard to follow.
What you know or don't know about the flavour of a game has no bearing at all, whether Pokemon or Ming Dynasty China, the same general rules apply: find and kill mafia. The questions you were asking had nothing to do with that, as a town all the info you need to get going is given to you at the start, the only reason you would ask for more info (i.e. how many factions, how many in a faction, make up of factions, etc.) is if you are scum looking for information that would inform your decisions for night actions.
vote madmitch
See this Anark. Someone who knows how to play mafia.
Take some notes.
Haha you are the joke, Anark has been playing mafia here for nearly 10 years
nagerous wrote:strike wolf wrote:skoffin wrote:Some people seem real intent on only talking about the theme and how it might work, which comes across as nothing more than people generating posts to not be scummarining and claim "I'm discussing relevant things!"
This. Reads based on behavior are much better than trying to find out game mechanics day 1. Game mechanics later in the game may expose some scum but it's really too early to know everything about the game to get much concrete about what's going on and with the "role claims are suicidal" stuck in my head, I'd rather not risk over exposing town roles at the moment.
Anarkistsdream wrote:So, look... To have 14 people vote, we are going to have to band together... I can't handle Day One lasting another damn week.
Right now, the top four people with votes are:
kwanton (3) - kwanton, Strike, Hotshot
Tim (4) - new guy, Wing, Serbia, madmitch
Minister Masket (5)- Yoshi, Anark, Exile, Talapus, BuJaber
Mitch (4) - Nagerous, dakky, legionnare, Samlen
I am willing to forego my vote on Minister Masket for the time, as I can't guarantee he is scum, though I can guarantee he is a trainer... If he is a good aligned trainer, I really don't want him killed. Although it may aid in putting to rest some other theories some of you folks have mentioned. It also makes you wonder what would happen to that trainers captured pokemon.
Out of the other three, Tim has the strongest case against him. But, if I vote now, it will look like OMGUS, so I will wait to hear from some others...
The point is, we HAVE to come to some sort of agreement, and right now, we are far too divided to make any forward momentum.
Let's try and end this Day One soon so we can gain whatever info we will have by the morning. Not that I am too excited about my prospects of living through the night.
I'd be willing to switch my case over to Tim in a heartbeat but I want to hear from Kwanton first as again, I do feel fluff posting is a good scum tell to press on. As of right now, he, The1Exile and Spurg actually need to be prodded (maybe others I've missed as well). Mitch I might consider as a second option but I don't really feel I have much of a read on him (though the fact that I seem to be able to town read him better than scum read him might in itself be a [weak] implication that he could be scum). Minister I am not willing to consider at the moment. You'd really have to change my mind again on him as the reread of him I did a few days ago made him seem more town with an innocent slip than scum making a mistake in my eyes.
Trying to keep this somewhat brief. This was the main long post that bugged me:
Skittles
Skittles! wrote:kwanton wrote:dakky21 wrote:I have a strange feeling about Nark & Wing... they keep fighting, accusing each other, and then they both go into "ignore" mode... like they did a show and now they look like mortal enemies. If the assumption is correct that there are multiple trainers, pokemons, teams, whatever, they will get a free pass to the endgame since no one will link them together even if they're part of assumed Team Rocket. If one dies, no one will suspect the other. Pretty smart I'd say, so let's keep eyes open.
Only problem with this idea is that there was no night 0 in this game amd these are two people who have never played with each other. Would be impressive if they managed to coordinate that with no prior communication.
You're on point about the ignoring bit tho. Getting pissy because you can't handle snark and ignoring someone is not helpful.
I kind of agree with Dakky on this, it seems like they are being completely idiotic.. and for what reason? They may not have had any communication as night hasn't happened but they can still see if they are both mafia. While it can be a long shot, i'm still going to FOS Wing and Nark. Something just seems off. Then again, could just be personality clash and both are just being juvenile. Also, Nark, please don't post pictures of Trump again.. I'd rather not see his face.
Skoffin wrote: I always believed Jessie was 17 as she stated so in an episode, but there was also some claim that Jessie/James were early 20's. Either way, they are not the same age as Ash. They are classified as trainers, again anyone who trains/battles pokemon is a trainer, however they are not trainers that have relation to professor Oak.
I'm actually not sure what your issue here is with that particular quote, Tal. Just based on around the pokemon universe is, there has to be both scum pokemon and scum trainers as Team Rocket have both. Meowth is a pokemon, Jessie and James are trainers. It seems apparent to me that by 'team' he meant Team rocket/Skull/Magma/Whatever, not team as in pokemon/trainer anyway. I think there will be a mix of things here, so i think we should stop getting bogged down with notions of "All pokemon are X! all trainers are Y!"
I also believed that Jesse and James were around 17/15, with Ash being around 11, Misty 13(?), and Brock 14? Don't quote me on that, but that's what I've always heard and thought as well.
I really don't understand this bandwagon on Minister. They're an older player, they always seemed a bit scummy when I played with them back in the day even though they were a simple townie. They slipped up a lot. I'm just not buying that the slip up was intentional and even if it was, he did try and semi-claim townie... Why are we trying to get rid of a townie when there are big enough to fry? Unless the people voting MM are trainers also and want to win (and be the very best!)
The way the arguments for and against people are going is really striking me as odd. I haven't played mafia in years so I'm obviously a bit rusty, but these arguments just don't swing me either way. I'm looking out for the ones being the most aggressive and pointing fingers every which way (hence the FOS on Nark and Wing)
Also:DoomYoshi wrote:Minister Masket wrote:
I know I'm going to risk an OMGUS (funny how I remember that of all things) swipe but Vote Exile for foolishly assuming that all trainers will be scum when it flies in the face of the theme.
Can you name one Pokemon game where not every trainer is a piece of scum in both the literal and figurative sense?
If you mean scum but exploiting animals to fight, then yeah they're scum. But there are characters throughout the games and the anime that genuinely care for the wellbeing of Pokemon. It is usually only angry teens and children, or those in Team (insert name here) that are the baddies and scum. Considering this mafia game is based on Gen 1, most of the people encountered in the game and anime weren't bad guys, but I guess some had a mean streak.
I haven't yet decided who will get my vote for Day 1, I really need to reread the thread from the start to try and pick up clues.
Says some things about the game. Posts a bit on irrelevant things about trainers that is unlikely to become important and finishes with no conclusion. His main contribute is saying that he leans town on Masket but leaves it open enough that he could vote him later on. My main takeaway? Skittles is one of the many players I still need to find time to reread because at the very least this post rubs me the wrong way.
And of course Nag's (who I also have added to the prod list, PM already sent) quad post back on page thirteen which also says next to nothing and finishes with a pot meet kettle vote on Legionnaire. Though on the other hand, the main point I note from the quad post was the first to really put down the Nark typo case as nothing so counter point.
Sorry man I am posting on my pad right now, so it makes it hard to do block chains and copy lots of quotes etc, so quad posts are the way forward. Either way sending a PM wouldn't help, I only go on the site to check this game, nothing else.
nagerous wrote:WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:Metsfanmax wrote:The thing with Tim is that anyone else who is a wild Pokemon should be able to tell immediately whether his claim makes sense. So unless someone who is a wild Pokemon comes out and functionally counter-claims him, no one else should comment. dakky's comment basically screams that he's not a wild Pokemon and we don't want any further bleeding regarding giving scum information on who is who. So, basically, don't comment on Tim's claim unless you know he's lying and therefore probably scum.
Unvote
Tim you have screwed me. Tim is telling truth. Someone had to confirm that.
nagerous wrote:Ugh I wrote a post but the iPad killed it.
Well I dont believe that. It might be believable if you had ever actually written a substantial post.
I'm guessing you were bullied at school and possibly still are being bullied so the way to get your kicks is to act like an asshole on the Internet. You are one of the most extremely distasteful pieces of shit that I have had the pleasure to play mafia with,
nagerous wrote:And if anyone is thinking that is an over reaction to his comments, it is more in reference to his earlier completely random ad hominem attacks thrown at me (and also some other players) earlier on in the game as well.. There is no need to play mafia in this manner, and no place for it in the game, but if you attack me in this manner I am not afraid to retaliate with similarly aggressive in nature comments. It is not in my nature to speak to people in this manner but if you sling mud at me I will sling mud back.
nagerous wrote:Metsfanmax wrote:mandalorian2298 wrote:An important (and somwhat embaressing) update:
Due to an unfortunate Copy/Paste fail, The1exile has only just received his Win Condition.
Exile, thank you for being cool about it. Also, I would be remiss if I didn't call you a goofball for playing for two weeks without know what your objective.
If any of you hasn't received his/her WC (FOR. REAL.)...errr, PM me about it.
Why the f*ck would you post something like this? It basically confirms that The1exile is not mafia.
Mets you seem annoyed. If you felt that Mandy had slipped up and actually revealed Exile as a town member from this declaration wouldn't you be thanking the moderator for slipping up and accidentally revealing this information to us? I would be, playing the moderator as well as the game and trying to think how the moderator thinks is or looking for nuggets of information in his post is a reasonable tactic no?
nagerous wrote:strike wolf wrote:Because I am equating wild pokemon to town aligned roles with a survivor twist? Kind of like platoon Mafia. To make a reference that even some of the old timers probably forgot about.
Great memory
nagerous wrote:Laying my cards on the table here, I am not going to have time to check the game over the next four days because of a busy Christmas schedule or respond to any of Fircoal's omgus points attacking anyone aggressively who dared to accuse him in any shape or form (then following it up with another predictable bandwagon vote against Mitch)
Will try and check in sporadically but my internet time is going to severely limited until Monday
What do you know about trainers that the rest of us don't know then? I know you've already claimed to be one, but I trust you even less now. Are you bulletproof if you make a successful recruitment?Minister Masket wrote:Actually if I'm successful in recruiting Fircoal then I'm 99% sure I'll survive. Hence why I put the idea forward after seeing his claim. If he's lying then it might go a bit tits up but that's unlikely.Serbia wrote:This game feels like it's about to stall out. Masket's idea is a bad one - I can't imagine he'll be able to survive the night, so any promises he makes regarding recruitment are worthless.
Any potential assassins would have better luck targeting the Pokemon I have currently. Why don't you ask DoomYoshi? He seems to know.
saxitoxin wrote:Serbia is a RUDE DUDE
may not be a PRUDE, but he's gotta 'TUDE
might not be LEWD, but he's gonna get BOOED
RUDE
Yes, you did. Feel free to add shit. Feel free to change your vote.WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:Didnt I spend time baiting Nag early in the game for his hypocritical accusations of legionairre not contributing. (To be fair, is legionairre contributing yet?)
This seems absent from your stuff Rag.
