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Unfortunately, the rules don't tell us to be nice. They pretend to, but they actually don't. The basic rule of niceness is "live and let live", but most rules say anything but that. Most rules forbid a few very specific and narrowly-defined forms of nastiness, while allowing people to treat each other like shit in any way that's not specifically posted.MnrToti wrote:With todays society and all the "rules" basically telling us to, "be nice", do you think the world has gone soft, and what can be done about it?
You forgot the part where people had to go outside even in winter to have a shit, and whipe off with snow. Those were some cruell times, I m glad life got softer.Dukasaur wrote:Unfortunately, the rules don't tell us to be nice. They pretend to, but they actually don't. The basic rule of niceness is "live and let live", but most rules say anything but that. Most rules forbid a few very specific and narrowly-defined forms of nastiness, while allowing people to treat each other like shit in any way that's not specifically posted.MnrToti wrote:With todays society and all the "rules" basically telling us to, "be nice", do you think the world has gone soft, and what can be done about it?
Now, as to your second question. Yeah, the world has gotten softer. Why do you think it's a bad thing? Throughout most of history the life of most men has been defined by long periods of starvation, slavery to brutish masters, draconian punishments for trivial crimes, and any number of cruel diseases for which there was no cure. All four of those things have been dramatically reduced in modern times. I don't see that as a bad thing at all.

MnrToti wrote:With todays society and all the "rules" basically telling us to, "be nice", do you think the world has gone soft, and what can be done about it?
-----Well THE GOLDEN RULE...Is do unto others as you want them to treat you...It says nothing about being nice...You can treat people like shit,if you don't mind being treated like shit...(betiko wrote:You forgot the part where people had to go outside even in winter to have a shit, and whipe off with snow. Those were some cruell times, I m glad life got softer.Dukasaur wrote:Unfortunately, the rules don't tell us to be nice. They pretend to, but they actually don't. The basic rule of niceness is "live and let live", but most rules say anything but that. Most rules forbid a few very specific and narrowly-defined forms of nastiness, while allowing people to treat each other like shit in any way that's not specifically posted.MnrToti wrote:With todays society and all the "rules" basically telling us to, "be nice", do you think the world has gone soft, and what can be done about it?
Now, as to your second question. Yeah, the world has gotten softer. Why do you think it's a bad thing? Throughout most of history the life of most men has been defined by long periods of starvation, slavery to brutish masters, draconian punishments for trivial crimes, and any number of cruel diseases for which there was no cure. All four of those things have been dramatically reduced in modern times. I don't see that as a bad thing at all.
So when people say stuff like 'all meat eaters must die' you get so upset that you wish you were allowed to beat them up in retaliation. Who's the one who's gone soft again?MnrToti wrote:You guys get me wrong! I don't mean about how we had to shit outside![]()
I mean everything now is about feelings. "Use your words" "Call me by the right pronoun" "All meat-eaters must die" All three are true, actually happened. Why does everything have to be about feelings and why can't we just beat up the people being rude?
If i got so upset about it, i d cut the guy's finger and feed him with it. See if he wants to commit suicide for eating meat.mrswdk wrote:So when people say stuff like 'all meat eaters must die' you get so upset that you wish you were allowed to beat them up in retaliation. Who's the one who's gone soft again?MnrToti wrote:You guys get me wrong! I don't mean about how we had to shit outside![]()
I mean everything now is about feelings. "Use your words" "Call me by the right pronoun" "All meat-eaters must die" All three are true, actually happened. Why does everything have to be about feelings and why can't we just beat up the people being rude?

Only the ladies.betiko wrote:If i got so upset about it, i d cut the guy's finger and feed him with it. See if he wants to commit suicide for eating meat.
Mnrtoti is too soft. Do people caress you while you go "purrrr purrrr"?
What I mean is how far has the world come that this has actually become acceptable? When did people just decide: "f*ck it, I ain't eating a normal diet, I'll just eat nothing but plants and shit, people who disagree must die."mrswdk wrote:So when people say stuff like 'all meat eaters must die' you get so upset that you wish you were allowed to beat them up in retaliation. Who's the one who's gone soft again?MnrToti wrote:You guys get me wrong! I don't mean about how we had to shit outside![]()
I mean everything now is about feelings. "Use your words" "Call me by the right pronoun" "All meat-eaters must die" All three are true, actually happened. Why does everything have to be about feelings and why can't we just beat up the people being rude?
I don't know where you hang out. Must be some strange places. I've known tons of vegetarians and vegans over the years. At least 40 or 50. Not one of them has every suggested that those who disagree with them must die. You probably ran across some particularly weird and aggressive vegan. Out of context I can't tell you if he was just blowing off steam or genuinely deranged. You obviously know this guy so you'll have to make that determination.MnrToti wrote:What I mean is how far has the world come that this has actually become acceptable? When did people just decide: "f*ck it, I ain't eating a normal diet, I'll just eat nothing but plants and shit, people who disagree must die."mrswdk wrote:So when people say stuff like 'all meat eaters must die' you get so upset that you wish you were allowed to beat them up in retaliation. Who's the one who's gone soft again?MnrToti wrote:You guys get me wrong! I don't mean about how we had to shit outside![]()
I mean everything now is about feelings. "Use your words" "Call me by the right pronoun" "All meat-eaters must die" All three are true, actually happened. Why does everything have to be about feelings and why can't we just beat up the people being rude?
I was living on purified agar, but somebody tricked me and slipped in some gelatin. I'm doomed.DoomYoshi wrote:"All meat-eaters must die" is strictly speaking, true.
Depends on your age, but wait anywhere from 5 to 30 minutes.MnrToti wrote:With todays society and all the "rules" basically telling us to, "be nice", do you think the world has gone soft, and what can be done about it?
DoomYoshi wrote:"All meat-eaters must die" is, strictly speaking, true.
What should it be named? "The world" ?Dukasaur wrote:I don't know where you hang out. Must be some strange places. I've known tons of vegetarians and vegans over the years. At least 40 or 50. Not one of them has every suggested that those who disagree with them must die. You probably ran across some particularly weird and aggressive vegan. Out of context I can't tell you if he was just blowing off steam or genuinely deranged. You obviously know this guy so you'll have to make that determination.MnrToti wrote:What I mean is how far has the world come that this has actually become acceptable? When did people just decide: "f*ck it, I ain't eating a normal diet, I'll just eat nothing but plants and shit, people who disagree must die."mrswdk wrote:So when people say stuff like 'all meat eaters must die' you get so upset that you wish you were allowed to beat them up in retaliation. Who's the one who's gone soft again?MnrToti wrote:You guys get me wrong! I don't mean about how we had to shit outside![]()
I mean everything now is about feelings. "Use your words" "Call me by the right pronoun" "All meat-eaters must die" All three are true, actually happened. Why does everything have to be about feelings and why can't we just beat up the people being rude?
Mind you, there have been some serious weirdos that have been vegetarians -- the puritan torture-advocate John Harvey Kellog, Nazis Rudolf Hess and Adolf Hitler, mega-murderer Pol Pot, deci-murderer Charles Manson, etc. -- but none of them, as far as I know killed people for eating meat. And none of them, I don't think, can be considered typical examples of "The World of Today".
Even if you ate nothing but purified agar you still must die. Past generations used to buy skulls as souvenirs called memento mori simply for the purpose of pondering their eventual fate. Now reminding someone of the end is seen as an insult. Tell me who the soft are in this story again?Dukasaur wrote:I was living on purified agar, but somebody tricked me and slipped in some gelatin. I'm doomed.DoomYoshi wrote:"All meat-eaters must die" is strictly speaking, true.
No, the point is that they are not typical examples. Typical means average. Weirdos and outliers are, by definition, not typical.MnrToti wrote:What should it be named? "The world" ?Dukasaur wrote:I don't know where you hang out. Must be some strange places. I've known tons of vegetarians and vegans over the years. At least 40 or 50. Not one of them has every suggested that those who disagree with them must die. You probably ran across some particularly weird and aggressive vegan. Out of context I can't tell you if he was just blowing off steam or genuinely deranged. You obviously know this guy so you'll have to make that determination.MnrToti wrote:What I mean is how far has the world come that this has actually become acceptable? When did people just decide: "f*ck it, I ain't eating a normal diet, I'll just eat nothing but plants and shit, people who disagree must die."mrswdk wrote:So when people say stuff like 'all meat eaters must die' you get so upset that you wish you were allowed to beat them up in retaliation. Who's the one who's gone soft again?MnrToti wrote:You guys get me wrong! I don't mean about how we had to shit outside![]()
I mean everything now is about feelings. "Use your words" "Call me by the right pronoun" "All meat-eaters must die" All three are true, actually happened. Why does everything have to be about feelings and why can't we just beat up the people being rude?
Mind you, there have been some serious weirdos that have been vegetarians -- the puritan torture-advocate John Harvey Kellog, Nazis Rudolf Hess and Adolf Hitler, mega-murderer Pol Pot, deci-murderer Charles Manson, etc. -- but none of them, as far as I know killed people for eating meat. And none of them, I don't think, can be considered typical examples of "The World of Today".
Well, first of all, I don't think the "rules" tell us to be "nice." Chivalry (an interesting topic in and of itself because it was a forced mode of conduct for armored military officers on horseback) is basically dead these days. What we have left is a mild form of passive aggressive behavior with a veneer of "nice." We have a bunch of whiners who go into a panic the moment they hear something outside their own worldview.MnrToti wrote:With todays society and all the "rules" basically telling us to, "be nice", do you think the world has gone soft, and what can be done about it?
I'm going to second that notion. The vegetarians and vegans I've known were always nice. One, a doctor who went vegan after a heart attack, used to make a killer lentil soup. Some, alas, have no choice in the matter. The husband of one of my writing buddies in National Novel Writing Month has no choice in the matter. He's actually become allergic to meat. Even chicken broth in a product can cause him to get violently sick.Dukasaur wrote:I don't know where you hang out. Must be some strange places. I've known tons of vegetarians and vegans over the years. At least 40 or 50. Not one of them has every suggested that those who disagree with them must die. You probably ran across some particularly weird and aggressive vegan. Out of context I can't tell you if he was just blowing off steam or genuinely deranged. You obviously know this guy so you'll have to make that determination.
