GaryDenton wrote:I used to be more open-minded on this issue but I read more of her words. She repeatedly attacks trans as being unsafe to women. Meanwhile, you are claiming the Great middle ground and calling me a Fascist.
FACTS be FACTS… and it’ s all true.
GaryDenton wrote:
I have gone back and looked at what she has actually said because she has her defenders.
In her recent words, she calls the trans movement Death Eaters.
Umm… not that’s NOT a quote. To imply that is a lie. You be a LIAR!
She does compare people who have threatened her life to Death Eaters.
If you listen to the Podcast you’ll find it’s not an unreasonable comparison.
Also… you have to realize the context and timing of this comparison.
This was NOT her initial tweet… and it’s not directed at all Transpeople.
GaryDenton wrote:
“We have been made to live in secret, and now is our time, and any who stand in our way must be destroyed. If you disagree with us, you must die.” This is what she thinks the trans movement is, those who formerly had to live in secret but now can come out and KILL those who don't support them. Those are her words on that podcast you urge I listen to.
Yes. That sounds like a real quote… I mean the part you actually put quotes around.
Now interpret that quote IN CONTEXT.
That is NOT one of her original tweets that got her in trouble. That is a quote from the Podcast.
What she is referring to there SPECIFICALLY are the
ACTUAL DEATH THREATS she received from Pro-Trans Activists. She was inundated with
HATE FILLED tweets, email, mail… calling her a
TERF (Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist)… and suggesting ways she might best be killed. So yeah, that quote specifically refers to death threats… seems pretty accurate and reasonable for her to describe the threats she received no?
Even more fun…. tons of e-mails from (presumably)
Trans-Women who described in vivid detail how they wanted to stick their cocks down her throat! Funny how gentle “women” want to f*ck her throat when she disagrees with them.
READ THE ACTUAL ORIGINAL TWEETS THAT WERE SO HORRIBLE!
You won’t because they aren’t (so horrible). They’re pretty tame to be honest.
GaryDenton wrote:
You have refused to read my links that show the history of this controversy and what is wrong with the podcast that pretends to give a balanced view but only lets two trans defenders on at the end. J K gets the last word and doesn't recognize the softer bigotry she is allowing to hurt one of the smallest and weakest minorities. She repeatedly claims the trans are really men adopting women's clothes to prey on women in their safe places.
1) I did read it… it’s biased.
2) She does absolutely NOT claim that “trans are really men adoption women’s clothes to prey on women.”
She does state the FACT that there are men who (either are or have claimed to be trans) who have preyed on women in women’s-only safe places. Ashe does not suggest or imply that this is a majority of trans; neither than nor or even a significant minority. What she does claim is that women have been victims of male abuse for eons… and only recently have women been able to gain cultural status and independence… and that now their status and safe spaces are being threatened by this movement.
If you actually listened to the Podcast, or knew anything about English Law, you would know that her initial tweets were prompted by a change in English Law that gave female status to anyone CLAIMING female status. Previously one had to provide evidence one was living as a woman, taking hormones, etc…. and then on a case-by-case basis a genetic male would be allowed to say be go to a female prison. Under the new law a genetic male only needs to claim status as a trans-woman and THAT CLAIM ALONE would enable said man to;
1) go to a female prison
2) get access to an abused woman shelter
3) play as a woman in female sports
4) use bathrooms/locker rooms traditionally reserved for women
A little open mindedness and research goes a long way.
GaryDenton wrote:
More of my just repeating other's words I agree with:
"March 2023: A new podcast, The Witch Trials of J.K. Rowling, produced by Bari Weiss’s The Free Press and hosted by prominent former Westboro Baptist Church member Megan Phelps-Roper, featured interviews with Rowling. In its fifth episode, Rowling begins discussing the modern trans rights movement, calling it “a cultural movement that was illiberal in its methods and questionable in its ideas” and insisting, “I believe, absolutely, that there is something dangerous about this movement and that it must be challenged.”
She then compares the movement to Death Eaters — the villainous supremacists in her books, analogous to Nazis:
ome of you have not understood the books. The Death Eaters claimed, “We have been made to live in secret, and now is our time, and any who stand in our way must be destroyed. If you disagree with us, you must die.” They demonized and dehumanized those who were not like them.
I am fighting what I see as a powerful, insidious, misogynistic movement, that has gained huge purchase in very influential areas of society. I do not see this particular movement as either benign or powerless, so I’m afraid I stand with the women who are fighting to be heard against threats of loss of livelihood and threats to their safety.
While Rowling can say she only intends to target the specific trans activists who are angry at her, that’s an impossible distinction. She does not mention any formal group or entity that represents trans rights that has acted against her. The only context we have for what she is responding to are non-affiliated individuals on Twitter sending angry messages in response to her transphobic comments. Indeed, the episode is titled “The Tweets” and features Phelps-Roper reading angry and sad tweets from former fans of Rowling. This generalization doesn’t distinguish “the movement” from people who are simply angry and upset with Rowling. Instead, it seems to imply that “good” trans people are the ones who accept Rowling’s version of their identity and allow her viewpoint — that they aren’t who they say they are — to dominate their fight for social acceptance.
Trans people are estimated to comprise about half a percent of populations in both the US and the UK. A 2018 study from UCLA found no evidence to support that anti-trans legislation makes designated public spaces safer, but did find that “reports of privacy and safety violations in these places are exceedingly rare.” In essence, there was no danger to begin with.
You haven't read my other links so you won't read this one either, I suppose.
https://www.vox.com/culture/23622610/jk ... ontroversy
1) Why is it “an impossible distinction”. She does not group “all transpeople” together as one homogeneous group. She specifically refers to activists who send death threats, try to “cancel” her or other people because of perceived bias, etc. She specifically notes (in this podcast and in her original tweets) that she has no problem with adults transpeople living (what she calls) their “authentic lives” and wishes the best for them. Read her original posts!
2) The second highlighted phrase shows the bias of the article you link. Instead of printing her actual tweets in their entirety they just claim that her tweets were “transphobic”. It’s a lie.
- Her original tweets were not “transphobic” at all! Read them. Would you like me to quote them?
- The whole phrase “transphobic” is an abuse of the English Language. Her tweets weren’t “transphobic” in any sense. That said the term “transphobic” by definition implies and unwarranted of unrealistic FEAR of transpeople. The language used by trans-activists is designed to fog up the whole issue. They should say Trans-biased or Trans-Haters or something but that doesn’t sound as good.
3) This another pet peeve of mine. The Mainstream Media has adopted the language imposed by the Trans-Activists. All legislation that addresses anything opposed to the Trans-Activist Agenda is labeled by them (and by the Media) as “Anti-Trans Legislation”.
Why should a law requiring participants in Girls/Female sports be genetically/natural females be labeled “Anti-Trans”?
I think it should be labeled “Pro Women”… “Pro Girl Safety”. That seems at least equally accurate.
Why should a law designed to slow down or limit transition interventions in minor children be labeled “Anti-Trans”?
I think it’s equally reasonable to label it “Pro Child Safety”.
Adults who want to take hormones and have body modification surgery are welcome to do it IMHO.
Flaying the cocks of 16yo boys to form fake vaginas seems like it’s a bit extreme.
(Don’t say this is inflammatory language… it’s what’s done in these surgeries.)
In some states parents get arrested if they let their minor child get a tattoo.
But it’s fine to…