Ragian WINS The Mafiosi Vincent Vega Vengeful game

[strike wolf]

I also don't see a reason to unvote. It's a weak role, with a relatively safe action claim and the hesitancy to post it just sounds like a scum who wasn't sure what to use for their fake claim.

[Loose Canon]

If nobody else is going to claim cop ISH with soft role modification, Traf is clear.
Are you afraid of being put in the need to claim seat strike?

[strike wolf]

Okay. So i seem to have missed some posts. I dont know how as I dont think i was at the end of the page but the Ragian (or at least I thought I read Ragian's name?) post i was replying to doesn't seem to be the last ragian post before I made my post and now I'm not even sure what I've read and what I haven't read.

[Ragian]

Son!c was on about site issues. I don't know.

[homer_jay]

Okay. So i seem to have missed some posts. I dont know how as I dont think i was at the end of the page but the Ragian (or at least I thought I read Ragian's name?) post i was replying to doesn't seem to be the last ragian post before I made my post and now I'm not even sure what I've read and what I haven't read.

i had to read this a few times and still not sure what i read

.....

i'm going to have to spend some time reading threads of completed games. as mentioned way earlier, it's been a long time since i've played, and about 75% of things said keep making me think "ohh, that's a good point!" even if half of them are people suspecting each other and making countering claims. a lot of you have a better read on things than i do.. especially seeing as how people are able to use experience from previous towns to see how some others play. that's a level of experience i just don't have.

one of the questions that was asked was why those of us who chose no lynch on D1 are now on board for D2, since we still have no info. but i beg to differ. there is a lot more being done and said. maybe some experienced players could spot suspicious activity on D1, but i saw nothing that led me to be comfortable with dropping a vote on anybody. but even i see right away how suspicious Traf has looked, even now with some of the claims he has made.

like i said, some of the other comments made suspecting someone other than Traf seem very valid to me. but then the counter-arguments are also convincing.

thank you to everyone for bearing with me as i re-learn this game. and not just re-learn, but basically have to learn a whole new thing because i don't remember it seeming this intense years ago when i played. the game has evolved over the years and i need to catch up

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Sorry yesterday got away and today hadn't checked in.

I see that I will most likely get lynched but here are my thoughs anyway.

1. As stated in one of my previus comments the 1rs comment of the day about the arsonist was jsut a honest mistake on how the role worked and that is what got the heat on me.
Now that has nothing to do with my role or with what other people are thinking.

When I said that we had a good night thinking the Arsonist did not killed. I though the Arsonist had gotten jailed. Which again as I said before kong made me realize my mistake and how the power roles. Now bear in mind that his happen D2. As soon as I saw the Mod post stating Night results.

I went to check Max on N1. Why? Well because I didn't believe he didnt knew his role. even if he is a back up, backups usually know I think.

Now Charle first said:

Jailkeeper, Roleblocker and Doc could have stopped Arsonist and or Vigilante ... going to be an interesting day.

Only 1 kill out of a possible 3 kills, I agree it is a good night. Not sure if Vigilante would use his powers yet.

Now nobody said anything on Charle cause I was the first to post about what I though happened. He though it was a posibility as well (WHich also could have been a honest mistake) but evybody just ignored this.

He then made three coments just saying "Where is Devante" and 2 about Easter.

What I meant earlier was that there could be a possible 3 kills per night. One from scum, one from Arsonist (3P) and one from Vigilante (town), but there was only one kill, meaning either the doc could save the kill from scum, or Arsonist and the role blocker could have pressed the right buttons. Maybe Vigilante held back his power for now until he is sure he will hit scum. We also could have some info from the cop in a way if we are on the wrong route to lynch a known townie. (this also now answer Ragain's question as to why D2 is different, it is because we potentially should have more info than on D1).

Now he said this. he insist that Doc could ahve save a killed from scum. So either he know that the vigalente went for a kill (Unlikely) even he acknolodges it. But he is like trying to make as if the kill could ahve come from either Vigilante, Scum or Arsonist. When being shot means it most likely was Scum. Still he trys to lure about all this possibilities.

So he tryed to blen in fisrt with what I said. then when I got all the heat on me he blended in the other way around.

Vote Charle

[kongming3]

I don't think we should end the day early, and I think it is somewhat underhanded of Ragian to try to suggest that - but I absolutely believe we should lynch Traf by day's end. I wasn't fully set on it before the claim happened, but now this is as good a lynch as town is going to get. I think the claim of playing the mod is absolutely insane - it has been explicitly confirmed as part of the game-setup multiple times what town and 3p roles are in the game, this is not guessing based on feelings, this is basic reading of a provided and confirmed list.

"any current town role is some sort of Cop, Doctor, Vigilante, Jailkeeper, Firefighter or Roleblocker (or these roles combined in 1 or 2 shot actions, again: most town roles are Soft Role altered for balance) and many townies are just vanilla."

So again, if you are a town power role, you must be some sort of one of those roles listed above. That might mean you are a vanilla Firefighter (as I believe we had), it might mean you're a soft-altered variant of a role (like a quack doctor as was hinted) or odd/even night one-shot/two-shot of something, or something that has multiple of the given role powers combined. It does not in any way mean some other random role from a mafia wiki site that's carefully selected by scum as a hail mary cover story to explicitly not overlap with any actual townies who have the roles above.

Reporter has neither the name nor the powers of any of the town power roles in the game. At a very big and not believable stretch, you could compare it to cop, but again, that's not a soft alteration that is just an entirely different role. I'd be very hesitant to believe any claims of reporter as a not cop cop replacement regardless, but we also already have further confirmation that there's an actual cop-type role in the game.

In the halfway through D2 Mod post
"FLAVOUR CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE TOWN SHERIFF (FLAVOUR ROLE) AND JIM "WILD" MEEKS, A retired Police Department Detective who spends his days playing golf and drinking single malt whisky.."
The sheriff as stated is a flavour role, but Jim "Wild" Meeks is not - it is confirmed at the end of the post that:
"Jim "Wild" Meeks receives a box containing:

1 pair of handcuffs (1 shot roleblocker)
1 Smith & Wesson Model 29, a revolver chambered in .44 Magnum (1 shot back-up day vig)
1 bulletproof vest (1 shot bulletproof)"

A retired Police Department Detective is very clearly the cop, and also not in any way a reporter. We also confirmed for sure that this isn't somehow Traf anyway when I asked if he'd received that box, which he hadn't. I'm happy about and would like further discussion about and involvement with a number of other people who've been inactive or skulking, but I think this is a very clear-cut lynch to make sure we do before day's end.

Also, I think this is mostly non-relevant and the result made-up anyway, but I don't really believe that Traf chose Max for any other reason than that he's the only one who explicitly admitted to not moving last night - Traf himself stated he believed Max to be very likely town day 1, and that'd be a odd choice to waste your night power on instead of someone you find suspicious.

[kongming3]

Fped by Traf, though it doesn't really change anything.

Again, still interesting in probing and involving other people, but we should never end today without lynching Traf.

[SoN!c]

Official vote count


Traf (4) : Kongming, homer_jay, strike wolf, Charle
Strike wolf (1) : Loose Canon
Charle (1) : Traf







COUNTDOWN TIMER D2

[jfm10]

ALL ROLES SENDED OUT! PUT ON YOUR HATS BOYS, IT'S MAFIA TIME!


Setup
2 Mafia Goon with altered Role Modifications for balance (the intro could give away some hints or clues on the matter like the "You need to control. Because you know the game surprises you" quote)
1 possible Mafia Traitor
8 Town
1 3P

with Mod promise that only Cop, Doctor, Vigilante, Jailkeeper, Firefighter, Roleblocker and some hidden scum powers are in the game (again, all with altered Soft Role Modifications for balance, the 3P not included)

The Mafia is composed of "Mad Vincent Vega Vengeful" and Don Giovanni “Big Tuna” Gambino!

Mechanics
Day start
Role Modifications

Jailkeeper, Roleblocker and Doc could have stopped Arsonist and or Vigilante ... going to be an interesting day.

Only 1 kill out of a possible 3 kills, I agree it is a good night. Not sure if Vigilante would use his powers yet.

plus right afterwards quote
by Charle on Tue Apr 15, 2025 2:35 am

Another possibility is that Vigilante, Arsonist and Scum

I am confused , if a vigilante is 3p and arsonist is 3p . Why did you see both?

@Traf .. I tried this venue and voted on you right after this post to get info for putting you at L2..in case you have been skimming.

[Loose Canon]

I don't think we should end the day early, and I think it is somewhat underhanded of Ragian to try to suggest that - but I absolutely believe we should lynch Traf by day's end. I wasn't fully set on it before the claim happened, but now this is as good a lynch as town is going to get. I think the claim of playing the mod is absolutely insane - it has been explicitly confirmed as part of the game-setup multiple times what town and 3p roles are in the game, this is not guessing based on feelings, this is basic reading of a provided and confirmed list.

"any current town role is some sort of Cop, Doctor, Vigilante, Jailkeeper, Firefighter or Roleblocker (or these roles combined in 1 or 2 shot actions, again: most town roles are Soft Role altered for balance) and many townies are just vanilla."

So again, if you are a town power role, you must be some sort of one of those roles listed above. That might mean you are a vanilla Firefighter (as I believe we had), it might mean you're a soft-altered variant of a role (like a quack doctor as was hinted) or odd/even night one-shot/two-shot of something, or something that has multiple of the given role powers combined. It does not in any way mean some other random role from a mafia wiki site that's carefully selected by scum as a hail mary cover story to explicitly not overlap with any actual townies who have the roles above.

Reporter has neither the name nor the powers of any of the town power roles in the game. At a very big and not believable stretch, you could compare it to cop, but again, that's not a soft alteration that is just an entirely different role. I'd be very hesitant to believe any claims of reporter as a not cop cop replacement regardless, but we also already have further confirmation that there's an actual cop-type role in the game.

In the halfway through D2 Mod post
"FLAVOUR CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE TOWN SHERIFF (FLAVOUR ROLE) AND JIM "WILD" MEEKS, A retired Police Department Detective who spends his days playing golf and drinking single malt whisky.."
The sheriff as stated is a flavour role, but Jim "Wild" Meeks is not - it is confirmed at the end of the post that:
"Jim "Wild" Meeks receives a box containing:

1 pair of handcuffs (1 shot roleblocker)
1 Smith & Wesson Model 29, a revolver chambered in .44 Magnum (1 shot back-up day vig)
1 bulletproof vest (1 shot bulletproof)"

A retired Police Department Detective is very clearly the cop, and also not in any way a reporter. We also confirmed for sure that this isn't somehow Traf anyway when I asked if he'd received that box, which he hadn't. I'm happy about and would like further discussion about and involvement with a number of other people who've been inactive or skulking, but I think this is a very clear-cut lynch to make sure we do before day's end.

Also, I think this is mostly non-relevant and the result made-up anyway, but I don't really believe that Traf chose Max for any other reason than that he's the only one who explicitly admitted to not moving last night - Traf himself stated he believed Max to be very likely town day 1, and that'd be a odd choice to waste your night power on instead of someone you find suspicious.

I'm going to debate this with you Kong.
I think it is a brilliant post.

Is Jim Mild Weeks definitely the cop?
He's retired.
He's also received the box of goodies presumably to distribute or keep as he sees fit.
Doesn't make him the cop as well necessarily - in fact I'd argue cop and receiver of box of goodies is more improbable.

Would Sonic have given out a fake claim of Reporter having promised the only town power roles he did?
Sonic might have if he wanted to give out clues that would make a fake claim he had given be disprovable.
But not necessarily.

An actual cop claim would blow Traf out of the water.
An I received the box and I'm not the cop claim would weaken your hypothesis.

What your brilliant hypothesis will do is make an actual cop more reticent to claim.
I think an actual cop should come forward in the knowledge that a doctor would presumably be on hand to save him N2.
Its debateable but thats what I think.

I think a receiver of the box of goodies who is not the cop would want to be confident that the goodies had been distributed before coming forwards however.

Its a brilliant post you made Kong, its persuasive, I'm thinking its not watertight though.

[kongming3]

I'm pretty comfortable assuming that a retired police department detective who is coming out of retirement to take on the job of the local law enforcement is some form of cop. Don't think that's too much of a reach. I also don't see any town-favoured reason cop or any alternative box holders should publicly claim and expose themselves to scum. It doesn't accomplish anything meaningful beyond giving key information to scum, with very little tangible benefit to town beyond us knowing not to lynch them, which we could already easily avoid as needed with claim.

I also want to once again state that town should not rely on doctor as much as possible. The mafia conversations mentioned a quack doctor in a number of spots, with an additional mod note at the end in case people missed it. "Quack Doctors Wiki: The quack doctors are not told that they are quack doctors. A Quack Doctor does nothing. This role is also known as a Quack." Nobody including the doctor knows if town doctor is secretly useless, and it's been very heavily signposted that that's a possibility we should be aware of and play around when possible. If we have a real doctor and get some useful protection off then that's great, but we can't take it as a given.

[Loose Canon]

Yes, I get that Kong, and I'm also mindful that in a previous game when we were both town, you were absolutely right and I was wrong and risked/almost lost that game for town.

If a cop came forward today I might suggest both jailkeeper and doctor (quack or not) flip a coin and depending on outcome visit/jail the cop N2?

If a cop doesn't come forward today is it imperative that Traf is lynched today?
If not, a kill on cop tonight would ensure Traf is lynched tomorrow
If not and no kill on cop tonight, there'd be an extra nights evidence for a cop to come forward with tomorrow and still lynch Traf tomorrow

I don't think a cop will come forward today, and currently on balance I now think probably shouldn't.

Traf is definitely suspect but not yet definite mafia.
If he's not mafia, he might yield info tomorrow. (whether a jailkeeper or doctor(possibly quack) jails or visits Traf tonight is up to them).

I'd still like to try to force a claim out of a second suspect candidate.
Strike is the prime second suspect character to me.

[Devante]

Find it very odd and suspect that you both want the cop to come forward. Doesn't necessarily clear anyone and just gives scum a good target

[Loose Canon]

Cheap shot dev.

If a cop came forward which is debatable, but yes I suggested/aired it it would mean Trafs claim proven fake.

But worse than cheap shot an inaccurate one because there's no both only me who has suggested it.

Wake up if you are town, go back to sleep otherwise.

[SoN!c]

OFFICIAL COUNTDOWN TIMER D2

Just 5 days to lynch or no lynch!

[Ragian]

I'd trade scum for cop any day.

[jfm10]

I'd trade scum for cop any day.

Would you put a vote out for info?

[Ragian]

Vote Charle

As mentioned, I find him the scummiest, but I fear that I'm alone with that.

[SoN!c]

Official vote count


Traf (4) : Kongming, homer_jay, strike wolf, Charle
Charle (2) : Traf, Ragian
Strike wolf (1) : Loose Canon

COUNTDOWN TIMER D2

Just 4 days to lynch or no lynch!

[Loose Canon]

Let's give getting a claim out of Charle a chance then.

unvote strike vote charle

[Charle]

Traf, I really believed you until your claim which honestly does not make any sense to me for reasons I have given and how Kong summed it up brilliantly.

Ragian, I am town, you miss the boat on me completely. If Traf turns scum, which I believe it will, then you are in trouble mate!

FP by Loose

[Charle]

I don't have to wait, I will claim right now.

I am vanilla town, so if you do not want to lynch Traf, I am very happy if you lynch me and take the shot for the team, at least town do not loose a power role, but having said this, scum will have a better shot at one of our other power roles. I honestly think scum lies in Traf and Ragian and obviously better if we hit scum.

[SoN!c]

Official vote count


Traf (4) : Kongming, homer_jay, strike wolf, Charle
Charle (3) : Traf, Ragian, Loose Canon

COUNTDOWN TIMER D2

Just 4 days to lynch or no lynch!

[jfm10]

My vote is still on traf, if Max is oiled , kingm should probably be by now then not worth voting but Devante is not much help and combine the 3 it's a serious handicap for us. If Traf has a chance to survive a lynch then my vote would start it there.
vote Devante