D5 of The Reid technique Mafia Game

[Ragian]

Charle, you start out gunning for Loose, but now that he's coming for you, you duck down. What gives? And also, what do you think I learned two nights that I haven't shared. You don't want to give a buffet away to scum, but you want me to claim because you think that that will give town information that I, for some reason according to how I am to understand you, alm withholding.

[Ragian]

Sorry. On phone. Can't be asked to fix typos.

[halrob64]

The hypothesis is he's a poisoner by day with the add on that horse tranquiliser is slipped into the cup of anyone who visits him at night. (EW). Charle is investigation proof.
Then at night he's cop who visits anyone he wants and learns fully about them - role & what they've done.
With that hypothesis he could have visited anyone N1 - but most probably did visit Halrob.

When I read total rubbish like this (horse tranquiliser Where did that one come from??) I think for goodness sake lets just lynch Loose to get him out of the way but then it all might be true
OK N1 I had the special powers. it was in the form of a FBI lie detector but running out of battery power giving only one chance to use it.
I could choose a passage from any comments from any player to see if they were trying to deceive.
I chose a comment from Kongming, I was suspicious from his initial town posting ref being the ordinary town guy.
the test came back negative which showed Kongming was being honest at that moment. Not proof in itself of innocence but made me more comfortable unfortunately Kongming was shot N! so I decided not to reveal that information.
My role is retired town doc, note retired. The power I have is to protect one person per night, normal rules, no other power.
N1 I protected Devante as he was claiming town and sp
N2 I protected myself which I'm entitled to do.
What makes it interesting now is to look at who was killed N2 and who was not considering one of the protective roles did not cover some of the likely suspects.
So earlier Ragian you inferred that you might be town and have a role but it pays to hold back.
I have done that but now I have shown mine its time to show yours.
Devante I hope that my protecting you N1 was worth it but I'm not sure.

[Ragian]

I don't think you should've revealed that just yet, halrob, but here we are. The good thing is that you're able to self-protect because that means that scum/3p can't off you because you might protect yourself (or it is bullshit, but everything can be bullshit). Keep to yourself about whom you're protecting henceforth, however. Why aren't you all over Darin like a prostitute with a hammer? (I'm hung over, so my similes are shite.) Surely, you'd think that he's lying about his role given that you're a doctor.

[Charle]

@ Loose Canon
it's only 1/10 chance that Charle was role blocked N1. I guess that's why EW chosed to move on with claim Charle and halrob64. I also think that EW received the 1st PR reward. EW mentioned 100%.

The hypothesis is he's a poisoner by day with the add on that horse tranquiliser is slipped into the cup of anyone who visits him at night. (EW). Charle is investigation proof.
Then at night he's cop who visits anyone he wants and learns fully about them - role & what they've done.
With that hypothesis he could have visited anyone N1 - but most probably did visit Halrob.

Gives him all the opportunity he needs to swing game whatever way he wants.

Its his doctor visiiting him guarantees his result add on into his claimed role that makes me comfortable with sticking with this hypothesis.

Now this to me is a post from somebody with his back to the wall and no-where to go.

Vote Loose

[Ragian]

Charle, you are ignoring me and you're day and night regarding Loose. I really think your gameplay is doing you a disservice right now.

[Charle]

Why aren't you all over Darin like a prostitute with a hammer? (I'm hung over, so my similes are shite.) Surely, you'd think that he's lying about his role given that you're a doctor.

Very good point. I wish I knew that Rob was a doctor, now it changes a lot. I really don't think that Sonic would put two cops and two doctors in a game with 11 players. So, I think like Loose, Darin is now also caught with his pants down! I know Rob is town, it was confirmed by me N1, so he is truly the doc, we will not have two docs.

[Charle]

Charle, you are ignoring me and you're day and night regarding Loose. I really think your gameplay is doing you a disservice right now.

No, I read your post after I posted mine. I never ignores you Ragian

[Ragian]

Don't you sugarcoat me!

[Ragian]

Am I right in saying that if we lynch Darin and he flips town, we should lynch you and halrob the following two days?

[Loose Canon]

I'm trying to make sense of things and horse tranquiliser is a Loose being Loose adding colour to a possible kill proof, investigation proof Charle.

This is where I'm at

1. I think there can be 2 town cops in a game - if one or both without their knowledge are some combination of naieve, insane, paranoid
2. Charle could be 3P kill proof and/or investigation proof

Out of the above I'm actually 60/40 leaning in favour of 2
The flipside of this is it probably puts Devante at around 40/60 3P

Where everyone else is going to be at is

3. I am not town, I am mafia or 3P

[Loose Canon]

One of my general weaknesses as town I think is I tend to prefer/get over-excited by my own theories over anyone else's.
Last game a case in point.

The sequence of events fits the hypothesis that Charle could be 3P cop & day poisoner.
The doctor guaranteeing results is highly unusual and doesn't fit with my standard cop notification either.
I'm enthusiastic about it probably 70/30 self discounting by 10% to get to 60/40

At the minimum I think townies should consider the hypothesis and not discount it altogether, because such a 3P Charle would be highly problematic.

[Ragian]

@Loose, what is the evidence (be it gameplay, night actions, whatever) that you are town?

[halrob64]

LOL
I think Ragian and Loose are in cahoots, Ragian is the day time, night time and full moon 3p poisoner otherwise known as Hannibal Lecter and I think Loose is the sidekick, mafia low life called Renfield who is allowed out at night to carry out shootings.
I'm fairly sure I was the target N2 and I think Loose has become unhinged due to the failed hit.
Ragian probably got the special powers on N2, he didn't think hunting the scum who had received it worthwhile.
He certainly is not town and has no role as town so maybe its time to lynch Ragian?
If its a miss lynch it doesn't really matter we can know then its Loose.
Just a theory on the Loose synopsis style

[halrob64]

Sorry I was on the phone I can't always think straight

[Devante]

The hypothesis is he's a poisoner by day with the add on that horse tranquiliser is slipped into the cup of anyone who visits him at night. (EW). Charle is investigation proof.
Then at night he's cop who visits anyone he wants and learns fully about them - role & what they've done.
With that hypothesis he could have visited anyone N1 - but most probably did visit Halrob.

When I read total rubbish like this (horse tranquiliser Where did that one come from??) I think for goodness sake lets just lynch Loose to get him out of the way but then it all might be true
OK N1 I had the special powers. it was in the form of a FBI lie detector but running out of battery power giving only one chance to use it.
I could choose a passage from any comments from any player to see if they were trying to deceive.
I chose a comment from Kongming, I was suspicious from his initial town posting ref being the ordinary town guy.
the test came back negative which showed Kongming was being honest at that moment. Not proof in itself of innocence but made me more comfortable unfortunately Kongming was shot N! so I decided not to reveal that information.
My role is retired town doc, note retired. The power I have is to protect one person per night, normal rules, no other power.
N1 I protected Devante as he was claiming town and sp
N2 I protected myself which I'm entitled to do.
What makes it interesting now is to look at who was killed N2 and who was not considering one of the protective roles did not cover some of the likely suspects.
So earlier Ragian you inferred that you might be town and have a role but it pays to hold back.
I have done that but now I have shown mine its time to show yours.
Devante I hope that my protecting you N1 was worth it but I'm not sure.

This is what I was waiting for. VOTE DARIN

[Devante]

VOTE DARIN

Hate this new update what the hell is the icons for anyways, there fixed it

[Loose Canon]

@Loose, what is the evidence (be it gameplay, night actions, whatever) that you are town?

I don't think there is any tangible proof.

I can remember my thinking for what I did and when as town.

I've answered questions straightforwardly and honestly even when the answers might possibly lead to a quick or eventual mislynch.
I guess that falls into the least satisfactory "whatever" category?

[halrob64]

Can you elaborate Devante?

[Devante]

Can you elaborate Devante?

Well look back on my posts and my hinting of information I know but cannot specifically disclose, it's all there. just a few bits is my zeroing in on Darin. Stating I was surprised no one has counter claimed him as doc. His vote and protection for that same D/N was odd. And I know your claim is true, not sure I can state specifically why based on mod conditions but what you have said regarding role and actions matches what I know. Therefore you are town aligned and the doc as you have stated and Darin is scum.

[Devante]

If I am wrong lynch me tomorrow

[hjelp]

The hypothesis is he's a poisoner by day with the add on that horse tranquiliser is slipped into the cup of anyone who visits him at night. (EW). Charle is investigation proof.
Then at night he's cop who visits anyone he wants and learns fully about them - role & what they've done.
With that hypothesis he could have visited anyone N1 - but most probably did visit Halrob.

When I read total rubbish like this (horse tranquiliser Where did that one come from??) I think for goodness sake lets just lynch Loose to get him out of the way but then it all might be true
OK N1 I had the special powers. it was in the form of a FBI lie detector but running out of battery power giving only one chance to use it.
I could choose a passage from any comments from any player to see if they were trying to deceive.
I chose a comment from Kongming, I was suspicious from his initial town posting ref being the ordinary town guy.
the test came back negative which showed Kongming was being honest at that moment. Not proof in itself of innocence but made me more comfortable unfortunately Kongming was shot N! so I decided not to reveal that information.
My role is retired town doc, note retired. The power I have is to protect one person per night, normal rules, no other power.
N1 I protected Devante as he was claiming town and sp
N2 I protected myself which I'm entitled to do.
What makes it interesting now is to look at who was killed N2 and who was not considering one of the protective roles did not cover some of the likely suspects.
So earlier Ragian you inferred that you might be town and have a role but it pays to hold back.
I have done that but now I have shown mine its time to show yours.
Devante I hope that my protecting you N1 was worth it but I'm not sure.

and

Official vote count:


“Good morning, Doc, my dear,”
Said Dino smooth, with charm sincere.
...
...
Luigi laughed, his grin too wide,
“Consultancy, Doc — ’cause we’re on your side.”
...
“Remember, Doc — results must come.”
He opened his suitcase, flicked a switch — the lights went red.

The Doctor froze — then saw the sign:
His own creation, by design.
The Reid Machine, cold, gleamed divine —
The Doctor’s guilt… his Frankenstein.

And as it hummed, he heard them say,
“— it’s just our way.”

and some of you have earlier stated, a Doc has access to poison.

and

I think the Doc role is dodgy the poem seems to point that way, I think the switch thrown turning red may be where the town doc switches to mafia.
...

Vote Darin44

[hjelp]

Sorry about the quote messed up, I will try again

[Loose Canon]

Devante your vote on Darin from Halrob s post is because you don't like the idea of 2 docs - correct?

I don't mind 2 docs because I've been contemplating 2 coppish (Devon and me) early D2, 3 coppish Devon Charle Me end D2, 2Cops Charle Me most of D3 and only now thinking either 2 cops or just me.
And only now just because Hjelp asked a question which was asking me for an answer which would have been impossible but still made me question and look into whether Charle s cop claim was as hermetically sealed as id been thinking it was.

But going back to your suspicion of Darin.


Is there anymore reason for it beyond 2 docs?

Fpd

[SoN!c]

Official vote count:

Loose Canon: (1) Charle
Darin: (1) Devante

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch!