If you were Lackattack...

ManBungalow · Post by **ManBungalow** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 12:00 pm

If you were Lackattack, how might you improve this site ?
What updates would you like to see ?
Please note that this is nothing official and that no immediate update is confirmed.

Consider the following:

How would you improve the ratings system ?
How would you improve the ranking system ?
How would you deal with farming (similar to Andy's CC Map Revamp thread) ?
How would you organise the forum ?
How should the warning/ban system work : is the 1 month to 6 month jump too wide ?

I don't want to hear any responses along the lines of "Quit", "Bring back FW" or "Free DM" in this particular thread

Hoots · Post by **Hoots** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 12:17 pm

I would honestly love to see a way for non firefox users to be able to record and total dice rolls in a game both for and against you.

Just my 2 cents. I would think all the data is easily available and could be added to the log (with question mark in fog games that revealed at the end).

If it was in the log people could atleast run excel programs to tally rolls in games.

Just my 2 cents!

JOHNNYROCKET24 · Post by **JOHNNYROCKET24** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 12:25 pm

more medals. More stern on farmers. make JR a mod

sherkaner · Post by **sherkaner** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 12:27 pm

I'd probably create a NSFW-forum, which you can switch on yourself somewhere in the settings, but is off by default. Too many spammers, just give them a place where they can spam all they want and I don't have to think about moderation.

And I'd definately not consider introducing dice as part of the logs. This would increase the size of the logs quite a lot, and would require quite some more maintenance etc. (especially since some people will try to check how it works when you auto-assault 10k vs 10k troops...). The gains in the end aren't that huge.

ManBungalow · Post by **ManBungalow** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 12:28 pm

JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:more medals. More stern on farmers. make JR a mod

Would you care to go into more detail ?
I mean -
What medals could be implemented ?
How could Team CC actually be stricted to farmers ?

darkangelsguy205 · Post by **darkangelsguy205** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 12:30 pm

have the double turn in speed games only

jpcloet · Post by **jpcloet** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:37 pm

How would you improve the ranking system ? Add Team 1v1s and build a Leap-Frog Ladder to compliment it.
How would you deal with farming? Add settings restrictions for certain combinations.
How would you organise the forum ? Add a Complaints Dept under C&A.
How should the warning/ban system work? Max out at 1 month, area mods to own their areas and able to give out weeklies to the few that are problems.

I'm going to break your rule. Flame Wars should be allowed as a moderator led group and is closed to ensure no one is added without consent. You can only join by applying. Threads there are deleted every 30 days. Only premium members are allowed to join that group.

And Lastly, leverage the CC team more for site updates, hopefully some of the floating wish lists will be actioned soon.

Woodruff · Post by **Woodruff** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:43 pm

ManBungalow wrote:If you were Lackattack, how might you improve this site ?
What updates would you like to see ?

Good lord, implement the capability to not accidentally join games your foes are already in! This has to be an easy implementation, and there's no good reason it hasn't happened in THREE PLUS YEARS.

ManBungalow wrote:Consider the following:
How would you improve the ratings system ?

I personally like a pass-fail system for ratings, but include the tags as we currently have them. Or possibly a three-tier rating system (exceptional, average, awful), again with tags.

ManBungalow wrote:How would you improve the ranking system ?

Use a modified ELO system, such as chess uses, with NO ceiling on points lost.

ManBungalow wrote:How would you deal with farming (similar to Andy's CC Map Revamp thread) ?

If someone is proven to routinely JOIN games with newbies, cooks or cadets, they're farming.
If someone is proven to be sending INVITATIONS to newbies, cooks or cadets, they're farming.
Nobody else is farming. Period.

ManBungalow wrote:How would you organise the forum ?

I'm actually ok with how the forums are currently organized.

ManBungalow wrote:How should the warning/ban system work : is the 1 month to 6 month jump too wide ?

I don't personally believe the 1 month to 6 month jump is too wide IF it's justified. I DO think some sort of an escalating system is appropriate, but not for the MOST MINOR OF OFFENSES (what those are specifically, would have to be determined). In other words, some very minor things should be dealt with at the lowest level. Then use the escalating system for the rest of them.

jammyjames · Post by **jammyjames** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:53 pm

i would make this site more rounded for all players... get more involved with the people of the site.. let them hear me speak more often, participate in discussions within the forums, generally put more input in on a personal level...

Serbia · Post by **Serbia** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:53 pm

I'd ban [player]owenator[/player] just to tick him off :-$

gimil · Post by **gimil** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:59 pm

Woodruff wrote:In other words, some very minor things should be dealt with at the lowest level. Then use the escalating system for the rest of them.

For the most part I think this is alright. But what happens when the same person committees a minor offence again and again and again? When does a minor offence become a regular annoyance? And what if someone is on their 'final warning' then committee a very minor offence? By definition a final warning should be someones last, anything, even a minor offence should be enough to warrant a ban.

Its all very well saying minor offences should alway be dealt with at a lower level, much harder in practice.

For discipline another idea I have just been throwing about while writing this post is a system where you get escalated warnings for a specific category of offence. So if you are a regular for discipline in flaming you might be on your last warning before you get banned, but then you get caught spamming, you won't necessarily get banned for it.

Spamming - Verbal Warning

Flaming - Verbal warning, written warning, Final Warning,

No-No's -

etc etc

Get the idea?

obliterationX · Post by **obliterationX** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 2:47 pm

ManBungalow wrote:
How would you improve the ratings system ?

To eradicate such a preposterously innacurate, insanely-abusable, and ridiculously unfair system as soon as possible.

Woodruff · Post by **Woodruff** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:21 pm

gimil wrote:
Woodruff wrote:In other words, some very minor things should be dealt with at the lowest level. Then use the escalating system for the rest of them.

For the most part I think this is alright. But what happens when the same person committees a minor offence again and again and again? When does a minor offence become a regular annoyance? And what if someone is on their 'final warning' then committee a very minor offence? By definition a final warning should be someones last, anything, even a minor offence should be enough to warrant a ban.

In my view, a minor offense is ALWAYS a minor offense, period. Does that may mean there are more annoyance? Sure, I think so...but they're ONLY ANNOYANCES...they're not really impacting the enjoyment of the game by anyone. So I guess in the example of it being something that gets sanction (final warning or not), the "chain of events" should go:

#1) Is it a minor offense? Do this (whatever "this" is). If not, skip to step #2.
#2) Not a minor offense, so move up the escalating scale.

gimil wrote:Its all very well saying minor offences should alway be dealt with at a lower level, much harder in practice.

I disagree...I actually think it's much simpler in practice to do this.

gimil wrote:For discipline another idea I have just been throwing about while writing this post is a system where you get escalated warnings for a specific category of offence. So if you are a regular for discipline in flaming you might be on your last warning before you get banned, but then you get caught spamming, you won't necessarily get banned for it.

I'm ok with that system too. I do, however, think it's considerably less simple than the one I suggest. Andy seems to get hung up on "simple".

khazalid · Post by **khazalid** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:48 pm

i'd quit, bring back F.W and free DM. in that order

the.killing.44 · Post by **the.killing.44** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:56 pm

khazalid wrote:i'd quit, bring back F.W and free DM. in that order

Did you even read his post? That's exactly what he said not to do. wow.

(joking)

yeti_c · Post by **yeti_c** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:01 pm

khazalid wrote:i'd quit, bring back F.W and free DM. in that order

In that order?

Surely if you've quitted you couldn't carry out the second and third operation?!

C.

natty dread · Post by **natty dread** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:29 pm

I would develop specific forum bans. So that people trolling on one forum but behaving on the rest could be banned from the one forum.

Army of GOD · Post by **Army of GOD** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:34 pm

1 v. 1 steel cage matches, loser gets perma-banned.

Robinette · Post by **Robinette** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:42 pm

Re: If you were Lackattack...

mnnn... if i were Lack... the 1st thing i'd do is give bad dice to the people who complain about the slow updates...
afterall, if i were Lack, i'd be... well, i'd be slow... by nature...

and then, i'd try to beat that hare again...

Hoots · Post by **Hoots** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:43 pm

sherkaner wrote:And I'd definately not consider introducing dice as part of the logs. This would increase the size of the logs quite a lot, and would require quite some more maintenance etc. (especially since some people will try to check how it works when you auto-assault 10k vs 10k troops...). The gains in the end aren't that huge.

huh, you can copy a 10k vs 10k autoassault as is right now into excel and total it if you want to...

I do understand log file growing bigger but in 95% of games adding rolls are insignificant bytes. (Im assuming 95% og games are less than 50 rounds or so...)

I can never understand how anyone is against this. In a TRUE game of risk you can see every roll that every player makes... Why do people fight against that here? All im asking for is the dice numbers that are being used throughout the game. In no way should they be some secret!

Skittles! · Post by **Skittles!** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 11:08 pm

I would actually make an appearance every couple of days and talk to the customers directly.

Post by **Caymanmew** » Sun Nov 08, 2009 11:15 pm

ManBungalow wrote:If you were Lackattack, how might you improve this site ?
What updates would you like to see ?
Please note that this is nothing official and that no immediate update is confirmed.

Consider the following:
How would you improve the ratings system ?
How would you improve the ranking system ?
How would you deal with farming (similar to Andy's CC Map Revamp thread) ?
How would you organise the forum ?
How should the warning/ban system work : is the 1 month to 6 month jump too wide ?

I don't want to hear any responses along the lines of "Quit", "Bring back FW" or "Free DM" in this particular thread

if i were lack i make it so caymanmew never could get banned... and take off any bans he curently has( get me into chat again)

ljex · Post by **ljex** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:06 am

I know this has been posted thousands of times in various manners but it really just proves my point. Flame Wars should be reinstated. This is not because flame wars is necessarily a great aspect of the site but because some members of the site really do gain from its presence either through entertainment or actually participating. I do acknowledge that a lot of members like that there is no flame wars but if you don't like flame wars why cant you just avoid that part of the forums. I fell as though having flame wars is a win win those who like can use and those who don't can just never go to it, where is only one side wins with the lack of flame wars, those who don't like it.

truly_tasha · Post by **truly_tasha** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 7:33 am

If I were Lackattack...

I would have stopped caring about the opinions of the few loud-mouthed individuals who pay for this site as it is just a money generating machine. There are many, many more people who are willing to pay for CC and not complain about anything that it is not really worth it to cater to the few who voice their opinions on how they think CC should be run (for good or bad).

I would be planning my annual vacation to the Caribbean as winter is starting in Canada - time to get out to somewhere warm.

I would be seriously considering ordering that penile enhancement kit off the net ... :-k

ahunda · Post by **ahunda** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:02 am

Here are the updates I would like to see most:

1) 1v1 team games

It is so obvious, that this would be the greatest update & boost for the site since the introduction of 1v1s & Speed games, that I really don´t know, why it still hasn´t happened.

2) Integration of BOB & Clicky Maps into the site

I personally don´t really need it, cause I can use the scripts anyway. But for all new users it would certainly be great to have. And thus worthy to implement.

3) Option for min & max ranks in game creation

Yes. Rejected countless times before. And I still support it.

4) Maps sorted in categories Standard, Moderate, Complex

New recruits being limited to Standard maps, getting access to the Moderate ones after x games, the Complex ones after another x games.

Again a thing I personally don´t really need, but would be good for the site in general.

And then there are a couple of things, that would need some (a lot) of thinking, but seem good ideas to me:

1) Separate score-boards for certain game types

2) demonforks recent suggestion in Suggs & Bugs:

demonfork wrote:New recruits (...) leave because they come here expecting to play in realtime and when they find out, after they have filled up all of their available game slots, that they have no turns to immediately take and might not get a turn for in some cases several days, they decide that this site sucks and they leave. (...)

If Lack gave a 3 day trial account that had all of the privileges of a premium account, to all new recruits, I guarantee that more players would not only stay but that they would end up buying premium when the 3 day trial ran out.

(...) but I think that before it were to ever be implemented there would need to be a better fool proof system to detect multis, as this would prob. tempt a lot of current freemiums to make multis.