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Further proof that he is a Communist Nazi Batman Villain with no regard for Republican demands that we waste money on unproductive ideas that destroy our environment.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/31/scien ... nergy.html

Obama to Open Offshore Areas to Oil Drilling for First Time
By JOHN M. BRODER

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is proposing to open vast expanses of water along the Atlantic coastline, the eastern Gulf of Mexico and the north coast of Alaska to oil and natural gas drilling, much of it for the first time, officials said Tuesday.

The proposal — a compromise that will please oil companies and domestic drilling advocates but anger some residents of affected states and many environmental organizations — would end a longstanding moratorium on oil exploration along the East Coast from the northern tip of Delaware to the central coast of Florida, covering 167 million acres of ocean.

Under the plan, the coastline from New Jersey northward would remain closed to all oil and gas activity. So would the Pacific Coast, from Mexico to the Canadian border.

The environmentally sensitive Bristol Bay in southwestern Alaska would be protected and no drilling would be allowed under the plan, officials said. But large tracts in the Chukchi Sea and Beaufort Sea in the Arctic Ocean north of Alaska — nearly 130 million acres — would be eligible for exploration and drilling after extensive studies.

The proposal is to be announced by President Obama and Interior Secretary Ken Salazar at Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland on Wednesday, but administration officials agreed to preview the details on the condition that they not be identified.

The proposal is intended to reduce dependence on oil imports, generate revenue from the sale of offshore leases and help win political support for comprehensive energy and climate legislation.

But while Mr. Obama has staked out middle ground on other environmental matters — supporting nuclear power, for example — the sheer breadth of the offshore drilling decision will take some of his supporters aback. And it is no sure thing that it will win support for a climate bill from undecided senators close to the oil industry, like Lisa Murkowski, Republican of Alaska, or Mary L. Landrieu, Democrat of Louisiana.

The Senate is expected to take up a climate bill in the next few weeks — the last chance to enact such legislation before midterm election concerns take over. Mr. Obama and his allies in the Senate have already made significant concessions on coal and nuclear power to try to win votes from Republicans and moderate Democrats. The new plan now grants one of the biggest items on the oil industry’s wish list — access to vast areas of the Outer Continental Shelf for drilling.

But even as Mr. Obama curries favors with pro-drilling interests, he risks a backlash from some coastal governors, senators and environmental advocates, who say that the relatively small amounts of oil to be gained in the offshore areas are not worth the environmental risks.

The Obama administration’s plan adopts some drilling proposals floated by President George W. Bush near the end of his tenure, including opening much of the Atlantic and Arctic Coasts. Those proposals were challenged in court on environmental grounds and set aside by President Obama shortly after he took office.

Unlike the Bush plan, however, Mr. Obama’s proposal would put Bristol Bay, home to major Alaskan commercial fisheries and populations of endangered whales, off limits to oil rigs.

Actual drilling in much of the newly opened areas, if it takes place, would not begin for years.

Mr. Obama said several times during his presidential campaign that he supported expanded offshore drilling. He noted in his State of the Union address in January that weaning the country from imported oil would require “tough decisions about opening new offshore areas for oil and gas development.”

Perhaps in anticipation of controversy, the new policy has been closely held within the administration. White House and Interior Department officials began briefing members of Congress and local officials in affected states late Tuesday.

It is not known how much potential fuel lies in the areas opened to exploration, although according to Interior Department estimates there could be as much as a three-year supply of recoverable oil and more than two years’ worth of natural gas, at current rates of consumption. But those estimates are based on seismic data that is, in some cases, more than 30 years old.

The first lease sale off the coast of Virginia could occur as early as next year in a triangular tract 50 miles off the coast that had already been approved for development but was held up by a court challenge and additional Interior Department review, officials said.

But as a result of the Obama decision, the Interior Department will spend several years conducting geologic and environmental studies along the rest of the southern and central Atlantic Seaboard. If a tract is deemed suitable for development, it is listed for sale in a competitive bidding system. The next lease sales — if any are authorized by the Interior Department — would not be held before 2012.

The eastern Gulf of Mexico tract that would be offered for lease is adjacent to an area that already contains thousands of wells and hundreds of drilling platforms. The eastern Gulf area is believed to contain as much as 3.5 billion barrels of oil and 17 trillion cubic feet of gas, the richest single tract that would be open to drilling under the Obama plan.

Drilling there has been strongly opposed by officials from both political parties in Alabama and Florida who fear damage to coastlines, fisheries, popular beaches and wildlife. Interior Department officials said no wells would be allowed within 125 miles of the Florida and Alabama coasts, making them invisible from shore.

The Interior Department and the Pentagon are discussing possible restrictions on oil and gas operations in some areas off Virginia and Florida, home to some of the nation’s biggest Navy and Air Force facilities. States are also likely to claim rights to the revenues from oil and gas deposits within 3 to 12 miles of shore and to some portion of lease proceeds, officials said.

Mr. Salazar developed the offshore drilling plan after conducting four public meetings over the past year in Alaska, California, Louisiana and New Jersey. The Interior Department received more than 500,000 public comments on the issue.

Mr. Salazar has said that he hoped to rebalance the nation’s oil and gas policy to find a middle ground between the “drill here drill now” advocacy of many oil industry advocates and the preservationist impulse to block oil exploration beneath virtually all public lands and waters.

He has called the offshore drilling plan a new chapter in the nation’s search for a comprehensive energy policy that can open new areas to oil and gas development “in the right way and in the right places,” according to an aide.

In many of the newly opened areas, drilling would begin only after the completion of geologic studies, environmental impact statements, court challenges and public lease sales. Much of the oil and gas may not be recoverable at current prices and may be prohibitively expensive even if oil prices spike as they did in the summer of 2008.

At the Wednesday event, Mr. Obama is also expected to announce two other initiatives to reduce oil imports, an agreement between the Pentagon and the Agriculture Department to use more biofuels in military vehicles and the purchase of thousands of hybrid vehicles for the federal motor pool.
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so...you make a thread about it? trolling nuts
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its about time we start off shore drilling..............all praise for obama on that one
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This is an empty gesture. Wait and see how long it takes for the combination of exploration, drilling, extraction, and refinement to actually take place. There is still a host of legal barriers to go through.

There is also a non-zero chance of the industry being nationalized.
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Trephining wrote:This is an empty gesture. Wait and see how long it takes for the combination of exploration, drilling, extraction, and refinement to actually take place. There is still a host of legal barriers to go through.

There is also a non-zero chance of the industry being nationalized.

ya think?
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I think your OP should be - "Further proof that you elected him based on lies and propaganda and no actual substance, but will continue to support him because 'he talks good,' but really he's just a better-spoken, darker-skinned George W. Bush." Oh wait, sorry, you just wanted to make fun of Obama detractors, not Obama supporters. Should you make a different thread to make fun of Obama supporters?
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I think this is actually a good thing. But in reality he's probably doing this to deflect the attention off of so many people being pissed off against him for shoving the health care legislation down everyone's throats. But whatever the reason, it's good that he's doing it.
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this will be a big boost to the economy,jobs.........
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pimpdave wrote:Further proof that he is a Communist Nazi Batman Villain with no regard for Republican demands that we waste money on unproductive ideas that destroy our environment.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/31/scien ... nergy.html

Obama to Open Offshore Areas to Oil Drilling for First Time
By JOHN M. BRODER

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is proposing to open vast expanses of water along the Atlantic coastline, the eastern Gulf of Mexico and the north coast of Alaska to oil and natural gas drilling, much of it for the first time, officials said Tuesday.

The proposal — a compromise that will please oil companies and domestic drilling advocates but anger some residents of affected states and many environmental organizations — would end a longstanding moratorium on oil exploration along the East Coast from the northern tip of Delaware to the central coast of Florida, covering 167 million acres of ocean.

Under the plan, the coastline from New Jersey northward would remain closed to all oil and gas activity. So would the Pacific Coast, from Mexico to the Canadian border.

The environmentally sensitive Bristol Bay in southwestern Alaska would be protected and no drilling would be allowed under the plan, officials said. But large tracts in the Chukchi Sea and Beaufort Sea in the Arctic Ocean north of Alaska — nearly 130 million acres — would be eligible for exploration and drilling after extensive studies.

The proposal is to be announced by President Obama and Interior Secretary Ken Salazar at Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland on Wednesday, but administration officials agreed to preview the details on the condition that they not be identified.

The proposal is intended to reduce dependence on oil imports, generate revenue from the sale of offshore leases and help win political support for comprehensive energy and climate legislation.

But while Mr. Obama has staked out middle ground on other environmental matters — supporting nuclear power, for example — the sheer breadth of the offshore drilling decision will take some of his supporters aback. And it is no sure thing that it will win support for a climate bill from undecided senators close to the oil industry, like Lisa Murkowski, Republican of Alaska, or Mary L. Landrieu, Democrat of Louisiana.

The Senate is expected to take up a climate bill in the next few weeks — the last chance to enact such legislation before midterm election concerns take over. Mr. Obama and his allies in the Senate have already made significant concessions on coal and nuclear power to try to win votes from Republicans and moderate Democrats. The new plan now grants one of the biggest items on the oil industry’s wish list — access to vast areas of the Outer Continental Shelf for drilling.

But even as Mr. Obama curries favors with pro-drilling interests, he risks a backlash from some coastal governors, senators and environmental advocates, who say that the relatively small amounts of oil to be gained in the offshore areas are not worth the environmental risks.

The Obama administration’s plan adopts some drilling proposals floated by President George W. Bush near the end of his tenure, including opening much of the Atlantic and Arctic Coasts. Those proposals were challenged in court on environmental grounds and set aside by President Obama shortly after he took office.

Unlike the Bush plan, however, Mr. Obama’s proposal would put Bristol Bay, home to major Alaskan commercial fisheries and populations of endangered whales, off limits to oil rigs.

Actual drilling in much of the newly opened areas, if it takes place, would not begin for years.

Mr. Obama said several times during his presidential campaign that he supported expanded offshore drilling. He noted in his State of the Union address in January that weaning the country from imported oil would require “tough decisions about opening new offshore areas for oil and gas development.”

Perhaps in anticipation of controversy, the new policy has been closely held within the administration. White House and Interior Department officials began briefing members of Congress and local officials in affected states late Tuesday.

It is not known how much potential fuel lies in the areas opened to exploration, although according to Interior Department estimates there could be as much as a three-year supply of recoverable oil and more than two years’ worth of natural gas, at current rates of consumption. But those estimates are based on seismic data that is, in some cases, more than 30 years old.

The first lease sale off the coast of Virginia could occur as early as next year in a triangular tract 50 miles off the coast that had already been approved for development but was held up by a court challenge and additional Interior Department review, officials said.

But as a result of the Obama decision, the Interior Department will spend several years conducting geologic and environmental studies along the rest of the southern and central Atlantic Seaboard. If a tract is deemed suitable for development, it is listed for sale in a competitive bidding system. The next lease sales — if any are authorized by the Interior Department — would not be held before 2012.

The eastern Gulf of Mexico tract that would be offered for lease is adjacent to an area that already contains thousands of wells and hundreds of drilling platforms. The eastern Gulf area is believed to contain as much as 3.5 billion barrels of oil and 17 trillion cubic feet of gas, the richest single tract that would be open to drilling under the Obama plan.

Drilling there has been strongly opposed by officials from both political parties in Alabama and Florida who fear damage to coastlines, fisheries, popular beaches and wildlife. Interior Department officials said no wells would be allowed within 125 miles of the Florida and Alabama coasts, making them invisible from shore.

The Interior Department and the Pentagon are discussing possible restrictions on oil and gas operations in some areas off Virginia and Florida, home to some of the nation’s biggest Navy and Air Force facilities. States are also likely to claim rights to the revenues from oil and gas deposits within 3 to 12 miles of shore and to some portion of lease proceeds, officials said.

Mr. Salazar developed the offshore drilling plan after conducting four public meetings over the past year in Alaska, California, Louisiana and New Jersey. The Interior Department received more than 500,000 public comments on the issue.

Mr. Salazar has said that he hoped to rebalance the nation’s oil and gas policy to find a middle ground between the “drill here drill now” advocacy of many oil industry advocates and the preservationist impulse to block oil exploration beneath virtually all public lands and waters.

He has called the offshore drilling plan a new chapter in the nation’s search for a comprehensive energy policy that can open new areas to oil and gas development “in the right way and in the right places,” according to an aide.

In many of the newly opened areas, drilling would begin only after the completion of geologic studies, environmental impact statements, court challenges and public lease sales. Much of the oil and gas may not be recoverable at current prices and may be prohibitively expensive even if oil prices spike as they did in the summer of 2008.

At the Wednesday event, Mr. Obama is also expected to announce two other initiatives to reduce oil imports, an agreement between the Pentagon and the Agriculture Department to use more biofuels in military vehicles and the purchase of thousands of hybrid vehicles for the federal motor pool.


and your a terrorist,if your against this,maybe your the nazi
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Silly idea, its just for politics and trying to appease the few moderate republicans that are left in congress. The output is not going to be anytime soon and will not create a single iota of difference compared to the vast quantities that you already import.
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If Obama wants to drill off the East Coast, then that's entirely his own business, and that of his wife. Let's keep politics out of the bedroom.
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I "drilled off the east coast" once. It was alright.
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Timminz wrote:I "drilled off the east coast" once. It was alright.


Is Off the East Coast a hooker?
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thegreekdog wrote:
Timminz wrote:I "drilled off the east coast" once. It was alright.


Is Off the East Coast a hooker?


I would guess that for the right price, it could be.
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I'm not against it karel. It was a concession to help get very important climate change legislation going. I'm someone who is happy to compromise, unlike the Republicans, who are happy to piss on everyone while carrying only 28% of the population's support. Obama's administration, unlike that of the huge disappointment of George W. Bush (who I really had hope for in the beginning, given his track record in Texas, pre-fuckhead advisers in DC), is willing to compromise and do more than just railroad with 28% and be ineffective, he's getting the 60% and more we need to make real progress.

And yes, I am glad to see the promise of more jobs. I'd be more happy if people would get really serious about alternative energy or start breaking ground on nuclear plants, but this is necessary to start moving in that direction.

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thegreekdog wrote:
Timminz wrote:I "drilled off the east coast" once. It was alright.


Is Off the East Coast a hooker?


I would guess that for the right price, it could be.


Is Off The East Coast the street name of that broad that Jesse James was doing who has a forehead tattoo?
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I'm glad that he is allowing the drilling to take place, but if he's using it to push through cap & tax, then all it does is try to win over some votes. I really hope Lindsey Graham or other liberal Republicans haven't sold the country out on this.
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Symmetry wrote:If Obama wants to drill off the East Coast, then that's entirely his own business, and that of his wife. Let's keep politics out of the bedroom.

I thought the environmentalists had a problem with drilling off the coast? I would be all for it, but not REGARDLESS....

Drilling on the coast is going to be very limited, and as someone else with a brain noted earlier, probably won't even really happen. It's all a smaller part of a larger capNtrade vote buyoff. nothing more
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Night Strike wrote:I'm glad that he is allowing the drilling to take place, but if he's using it to push through cap & tax, then all it does is try to win over some votes. I really hope Lindsey Graham or other liberal Republicans haven't sold the country out on this.


Ok, I'm absolutely promising that this is the last time I'm assuming that "drilling off the east coast" is innuendo, but this post just invites it.
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I'm happy that President Obama is willing to compromise... like on the healthcare bill.

You know, you guys are cynics sometimes and believers other times. Weird.

Honestly, my view on this is that it will create jobs (in like 6 years, but no biggie... jobs are jobs). I'm not sure how I feel about drilling for oil, because I would rather us move in the direction of alternative energy; but I understand the concessions here.
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thegreekdog wrote:I'm happy that President Obama is willing to compromise... like on the healthcare bill.

You know, you guys are cynics sometimes and believers other times. Weird.

Honestly, my view on this is that it will create jobs (in like 6 years, but no biggie... jobs are jobs). I'm not sure how I feel about drilling for oil, because I would rather us move in the direction of alternative energy; but I understand the concessions here.


I'm no believer, but I do have a cynical, and sometimes puerile sense of humour. To reply more seriously, further drilling is, of course necessary. It's not going to get any of us very far, but going cold turkey is tough for an addict. For several million addicts, it's impossible. Given there's a finite amount of oil, prolonging addiction on the basis that cold turkey might be easier later is foolishness.

To quit the metaphor, we really do need to be cutting back on oil consumption per capita now, and we need to look at alternative supplies at the same time. They go together.
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Symmetry, I'm not sure if my beef is not clear or if it is being ignored (not by you necessarily). I just find it extremely hypocritical for someone to be in support of this while, just 2 years ago, that same person is not in support of this... the only difference being the president.
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We can drill all the oil we want, it won't make a difference. All oil is priced in US dollars. The weaker the dollar, the more dollars it takes to buy the same barrel of oil. Support the dollar by stopping runaway gov't spending and balancing the budget, you will see gas under $1.00/gallon. I remember the 90's.... 79 cents a gallon when I turned 16.
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thegreekdog wrote:Symmetry, I'm not sure if my beef is not clear or if it is being ignored (not by you necessarily). I just find it extremely hypocritical for someone to be in support of this while, just 2 years ago, that same person is not in support of this... the only difference being the president.


Ah, fair enough- you're right, I misunderstood. I think that argument is pretty fair, but I personally believe that drilling should be part of a general policy on energy. I have sympathy for the critics on the left a few years ago because drilling wasn't backed up with any significant investment in reduction of oil usage, international treaties on fossil fuels, or attempts to engage with alternative energy sources.

Energy policy is a complex issue, and drilling or not drilling will never even come close to solving the kind of problems we will face 20 years down the line. I agree that the difference is the president, but within the framework of a coherent energy policy. I just don't think Bush had a clear message on where America, or indeed the Western world would be when oil ran out. I think he just assumed that the world would have thought something out by then. That's not leadership.

Obama- I can't say I'm happy with what he's done so far, but he seems to be dealing with the mess, as opposed to letting it be. I'd like to see him take more control, but the issue is a global one. Like it or not, Obama has done more for American diplomacy than Bush. That can only help.
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Actually, that's not true about President Bush. I would assume you've been attacked the propaganda master, but I'm not sure that's accurate. President Bush (and Senator McCain by the way) had clear policies with respect to domestic drilling. They were both roundly criticized by Democrats for those policies.

I find the lack of criticism for President Obama hypocritical, though obviously I'm not surprised. If one is against domestic drilling under President Bush (and I use "one" to refer to a non-politician), then one should be against domestic drilling under President Obama. For our conservative friends, if you're for domestic drilling under President Bush, then you should be for domestic drilling under President Obama. I like my support for issues to be consistent, at the very least.
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Phatscotty wrote:We can drill all the oil we want, it won't make a difference. All oil is priced in US dollars. The weaker the dollar, the more dollars it takes to buy the same barrel of oil. Support the dollar by stopping runaway gov't spending and balancing the budget, you will see gas under $1.00/gallon. I remember the 90's.... 79 cents a gallon when I turned 16.


Three big difference to the 90's -

- Demand is much larger now with BRIC and all the developing world consuming a heck of a lot more oil then ever before
- The amount of money being used to speculate on oil is much larger so it is going to be a heck of a lot more volatile (like the year it hit $148)
- A lot of the oil producing countries now are used to oil being at least $60 so they will do everything they can to make sure it remains at a level where they get the revenue they want.
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