advertising on CC

[rappel]

While I'm not averse to advertising per se. I'm finding the animated just giving ad in the menu column very distracting.
Speaking personally this is unusual as I am normally immune to ads as I can block them. I suspect therefore it's either because I'm trying to think about what's on screen (as opposed to simply seek information) or I'm just getting old.
Whatever the reason it's taking away the pleasure of the game.

If cc is going to advertise for charity or to help provide funding, isn't it better on a non-game page that everyone sees passing through - such as the home page?

[TeeGee]

I think you will find it's on every page.

While I am opposed to advertising, this is for a very good cause and as it's charity, it isn't really advertising.. it is fundraising

[AndyDufresne]

I think you will find it's on every page.

While I am opposed to advertising, this is for a very good cause and as it's charity, it isn't really advertising.. it is fundraising

And it'll go down after we reach our goal. And after being up for a little less than 48 hours, we are nearly half-way to our goal, so hopefully it will disappear sooner rather than later...so everyone can get to play on the fancy reward map: !

[spoiler=Map Sneak Peak][/spoiler]


--Andy

[betiko]

I think you will find it's on every page.

While I am opposed to advertising, this is for a very good cause and as it's charity, it isn't really advertising.. it is fundraising

so if you are opposed to internet advertising; are you willing to pay for the service of each website you go to, like you are doing on CC? or like you would do with HBO for example?

content isn't free; people work hard to provide it; and advertising gives it to you for free! i agree about anoying pop ups and email spams, but come on, you guys should be thankfull internet advertising exists!

[Sniper08]

I think you will find it's on every page.

While I am opposed to advertising, this is for a very good cause and as it's charity, it isn't really advertising.. it is fundraising

so if you are opposed to internet advertising; are you willing to pay for the service of each website you go to, like you are doing on CC? or like you would do with HBO for example?

content isn't free; people work hard to provide it; and advertising gives it to you for free! i agree about anoying pop ups and email spams, but come on, you guys should be thankfull internet advertising exists!

i think its one of CC's hooks to sign up is that there will be no advertising and now although its "fund raising" not advertising a product its still a slippery slope that some arent happy about.

i jusr hope this is a one off thing and it wont turn into a permanent fixture on the left column.

[betiko]

I think you will find it's on every page.

While I am opposed to advertising, this is for a very good cause and as it's charity, it isn't really advertising.. it is fundraising

so if you are opposed to internet advertising; are you willing to pay for the service of each website you go to, like you are doing on CC? or like you would do with HBO for example?

content isn't free; people work hard to provide it; and advertising gives it to you for free! i agree about anoying pop ups and email spams, but come on, you guys should be thankfull internet advertising exists!

i think its one of CC's hooks to sign up is that there will be no advertising and now although its "fund raising" not advertising a product its still a slippery slope that some arent happy about.

i jusr hope this is a one off thing and it wont turn into a permanent fixture on the left column.

really? you don't think it's more because it s the best risk site and that you get hooked up beeing freemium then frustrated not to be able to play some more so you buy premium?
If the site gave the chance to play for free but with banners, or pay and being add-free; don't you think that a majority would go for the free option with banner ads?

[natty dread]

I think you will find it's on every page.

While I am opposed to advertising, this is for a very good cause and as it's charity, it isn't really advertising.. it is fundraising

so if you are opposed to internet advertising; are you willing to pay for the service of each website you go to, like you are doing on CC? or like you would do with HBO for example?

content isn't free; people work hard to provide it; and advertising gives it to you for free! i agree about anoying pop ups and email spams, but come on, you guys should be thankfull internet advertising exists!

Advertising is not mandatory. I find it's kind of like an "idiot tax" in that those who're dumb enough to not know how to disable ads will pay for the websites for the rest of us.

Personally, I block all ads purely for security reasons. So many ads today are nothing but ways to install malware/spyware on your computer. And they can show up even on trustworthy sites, because the sites don't usually screen all the ads that show up on their sites beforehand.

That said, I don't consider what's on CC advertising. It's for a good cause, and anyone who's complaining about it should just go stare at some images of starving african children for a while, to get some perspective...

[Agent 86]

Yeah right, tell me how much of this money actually goes to the needy!!. By the time you take out all of the expenses for adverts and pay to admin there is nothing left..charities are set up to avoid tax.

So sad, advertising is everywhere..this site unfortunately went to facebook, now I leave!!

86

[natty dread]

Yeah right, tell me how much of this money actually goes to the needy!!

Yeah right, you're just using that as an excuse because you're too cheap to donate!!

[Commander62890]

Personally, I haven't noticed the "Just Giving" banner on my screen at all. On the left side, it's placed under "Game Menu," "Interaction Menu," "Personal Menu," "BOB Menu," "Chatglove," "WTG Menu,"and "Map Rank GL." I would have to scroll WAY down to find "Just Giving..." more than I scroll in any game.

[Johnny Rockets]

Yeah right, tell me how much of this money actually goes to the needy!!. By the time you take out all of the expenses for adverts and pay to admin there is nothing left..charities are set up to avoid tax.

So sad, advertising is everywhere..this site unfortunately went to facebook, now I leave!!

86

You are correct. A lot of charities skim off the top, and support themselves from the proceeds under the label of administration fees. This turns off a lot of people, and they hesitate, or refuse to give thinking they are going good by "punishing" the charity's irresponsibility.

But please take this into account before you adopt that view:

Even a dime from every dollar that gets to the recipients makes a difference. You'd do better encouraging your levels of governments to establish administration caps on charities then to withdraw all support. Those dimes still add up, and with currency exchange your gifts could be the difference of saving the life of a child somewhere with something as minor (to us...) as an extra two bowls of gruel from a red cross kitchen a week.

Alright, you think the fundraising ad is annoying? Then block it. If you don't know how, then use the internet for something other than C.C. and porn and learn how to do so on any hundreds of "how do I" sites.

To all those who bitch: I'm sorry if your game play became slightly distracted and inconvenient over a good cause. If Karma ever bites you in the ass and you find yourself in a situation where you need to depend on the charity of strangers, I hope you find some level in comfort knowing that absolutely NO aid came through to ease your suffering as everyone felt the need to support the greater cause of fiscal accountability and non-distracting game play.

JRock

[natty dread]

Yeah right, tell me how much of this money actually goes to the needy!!. By the time you take out all of the expenses for adverts and pay to admin there is nothing left..charities are set up to avoid tax.

So sad, advertising is everywhere..this site unfortunately went to facebook, now I leave!!

86

You are correct. A lot of charities skim off the top, and support themselves from the proceeds under the label of administration fees. This turns off a lot of people, and they hesitate, or refuse to give thinking they are going good by "punishing" the charity's irresponsibility.

But please take this into account before you adopt that view:

Even a dime from every dollar that gets to the recipients makes a difference. You'd do better encouraging your levels of governments to establish administration caps on charities then to withdraw all support. Those dimes still add up, and with currency exchange your gifts could be the difference of saving the life of a child somewhere with something as minor (to us...) as an extra two bowls of gruel from a red cross kitchen a week.

Alright, you think the fundraising ad is annoying? Then block it. If you don't know how, then use the internet for something other than C.C. and porn and learn how to do so on any hundreds of "how do I" sites.

To all those who bitch: I'm sorry if your game play became slightly distracted and inconvenient over a good cause. If Karma ever bites you in the ass and you find yourself in a situation where you need to depend on the charity of strangers, I hope you find some level in comfort knowing that absolutely NO aid came through to ease your suffering as everyone felt the need to support the greater cause of fiscal accountability and non-distracting game play.

JRock

qft.

[betiko]

I think you will find it's on every page.

While I am opposed to advertising, this is for a very good cause and as it's charity, it isn't really advertising.. it is fundraising

so if you are opposed to internet advertising; are you willing to pay for the service of each website you go to, like you are doing on CC? or like you would do with HBO for example?

content isn't free; people work hard to provide it; and advertising gives it to you for free! i agree about anoying pop ups and email spams, but come on, you guys should be thankfull internet advertising exists!

Advertising is not mandatory. I find it's kind of like an "idiot tax" in that those who're dumb enough to not know how to disable ads will pay for the websites for the rest of us.

Personally, I block all ads purely for security reasons. So many ads today are nothing but ways to install malware/spyware on your computer. And they can show up even on trustworthy sites, because the sites don't usually screen all the ads that show up on their sites beforehand.

That said, I don't consider what's on CC advertising. It's for a good cause, and anyone who's complaining about it should just go stare at some images of starving african children for a while, to get some perspective...

you really think trustworthy sites don't test all ads apearing on their sites? how can you call them trustworthy then?
I agree with blocking shitty popups or real intruding ads; but you got to understand that this is an industry you are happy to get content from. "trustworthy" sites try not to bother too much their audience with intruding stuff, trust me. This would be an empty shell without banners/contextual/affiliation ect. The true idiots are the ones blocking everything and being so proud of it, like someone who would brag about not paying his taxes and taking advantage of the system.

[natty dread]

you really think trustworthy sites don't test all ads apearing on their sites? how can you call them trustworthy then?

No, they in fact don't. What you don't seem to realize is that (most) sites do not pick & choose which ads show up on their pages - they use ad networks such as google adsense and such which provide ad content tailored for each user based on their browsing & search history.

These ad networks do not give sites options to preview ads before they appear on sites. They do offer tools to block individual ads after they show up on the site, or report malicious ads - again, after they show up on the site.

And yes, even trustworthy sites can have malicious ads - and I call them trustworthy because they're not doing it on purpose, they just don't have any other alternative if they need the ad revenue to maintain their site.

I agree with blocking shitty popups or real intruding ads; but you got to understand that this is an industry you are happy to get content from.

And something like 90% of internet users still use internet explorer. The small amount of people who are capable of disabling ads does not put a huge dent in most sites even if they do depend on ad revenue.

Besides, if some site that I want to support really needs the ad revenue, it's not a huge task for me to enable ads for that particular site. So far, I haven't come accross with even one site that would have had trouble getting revenue because of ad blockers, though.

"trustworthy" sites try not to bother too much their audience with intruding stuff, trust me.

Sure they do, to the extent they can control the "intrusiveness" of their ads. And like I said, that extent is not much.

The true idiots are the ones blocking everything and being so proud of it, like someone who would brag about not paying his taxes and taking advantage of the system.

Tell me... do you ever record tv shows? Do you ever fast-forward over the commercial breaks? Or do you ever go to the bathroom or change the channel during a commercial break?

Unless you meticulously watch every single commercial break on every tv-show you watch, I'm going to have to call you a hypocrite.

[shieldgenerator7]

the Just Giving thing doesnt bother me very much. It's just there. I especially like that it links to a site with comments from people who donated. THat's handy. What's not so handy is that it appears as a pop-up in my browser and I have to temporarily allow pop-ups in my browser. I wish they'd just make a direct link instead of making a pop-up.

-SG7 ( )

[Qwert]

Well i proposed far before(when introduced conquer cup)that every player have button in settings,so that can block any advertising in CC .
I dont know how many times western world collect funds to "save" africa,and its to little because western(US on first place)spend more and more money on weapons . Helping africa its not something what its priority for western world.
Unfortunatly i think that these is also lost cause,because somehow, people every time find way to steal money,and africa will get little peaces.

[shieldgenerator7]

Well i proposed far before(when introduced conquer cup)that every player have button in settings,so that can block any advertising in CC .
I dont know how many times western world collect funds to "save" africa,and its to little because western(US on first place)spend more and more money on weapons . Helping africa its not something what its priority for western world.
Unfortunatly i think that these is also lost cause,because somehow, people every time find way to steal money,and africa will get little peaces.

I somewhat agree. Sending money to Africa seems like it's more of a bandage after the fact than a way to prevent the problem. We can help, but we can't fix everything. THose people will probably need to fix most of their problems themselves (and they probably do)

[natty dread]

THose people will probably need to fix most of their problems themselves (and they probably do)

And how exactly do you suppose they do that?

[shieldgenerator7]

THose people will probably need to fix most of their problems themselves (and they probably do)

And how exactly do you suppose they do that?

are you suggesting they have no capability of solving some of their own problems? are you saying their dimwits with no ability?

[natty dread]

THose people will probably need to fix most of their problems themselves (and they probably do)

And how exactly do you suppose they do that?

are you suggesting they have no capability of solving some of their own problems? are you saying their dimwits with no ability?

So, are you saying that if someone is poor and is unable to do anything about it due to their life circumstances, they are idiots?

[shieldgenerator7]

THose people will probably need to fix most of their problems themselves (and they probably do)

And how exactly do you suppose they do that?

are you suggesting they have no capability of solving some of their own problems? are you saying their dimwits with no ability?

So, are you saying that if someone is poor and is unable to do anything about it due to their life circumstances, they are idiots?

Are you saying poor people aren't able to do anything for themselves?

I'm saying that despite the amount of aid we give them, it will probably eventually run out and they will have to fend for themselves, and will have to find their own solutions to their own problems.

[betiko]

you really think trustworthy sites don't test all ads apearing on their sites? how can you call them trustworthy then?

No, they in fact don't. What you don't seem to realize is that (most) sites do not pick & choose which ads show up on their pages - they use ad networks such as google adsense and such which provide ad content tailored for each user based on their browsing & search history.

These ad networks do not give sites options to preview ads before they appear on sites. They do offer tools to block individual ads after they show up on the site, or report malicious ads - again, after they show up on the site.

And yes, even trustworthy sites can have malicious ads - and I call them trustworthy because they're not doing it on purpose, they just don't have any other alternative if they need the ad revenue to maintain their site.

I agree with blocking shitty popups or real intruding ads; but you got to understand that this is an industry you are happy to get content from.

And something like 90% of internet users still use internet explorer. The small amount of people who are capable of disabling ads does not put a huge dent in most sites even if they do depend on ad revenue.

Besides, if some site that I want to support really needs the ad revenue, it's not a huge task for me to enable ads for that particular site. So far, I haven't come accross with even one site that would have had trouble getting revenue because of ad blockers, though.

"trustworthy" sites try not to bother too much their audience with intruding stuff, trust me.

Sure they do, to the extent they can control the "intrusiveness" of their ads. And like I said, that extent is not much.

The true idiots are the ones blocking everything and being so proud of it, like someone who would brag about not paying his taxes and taking advantage of the system.

Tell me... do you ever record tv shows? Do you ever fast-forward over the commercial breaks? Or do you ever go to the bathroom or change the channel during a commercial break?

Unless you meticulously watch every single commercial break on every tv-show you watch, I'm going to have to call you a hypocrite.

Natty, I've been working in internet advertising for 8 years now (agency, publisher and ad network sides) so I think I know what I'm talking about.

[natty dread]

you really think trustworthy sites don't test all ads apearing on their sites? how can you call them trustworthy then?

No, they in fact don't. What you don't seem to realize is that (most) sites do not pick & choose which ads show up on their pages - they use ad networks such as google adsense and such which provide ad content tailored for each user based on their browsing & search history.

These ad networks do not give sites options to preview ads before they appear on sites. They do offer tools to block individual ads after they show up on the site, or report malicious ads - again, after they show up on the site.

And yes, even trustworthy sites can have malicious ads - and I call them trustworthy because they're not doing it on purpose, they just don't have any other alternative if they need the ad revenue to maintain their site.

I agree with blocking shitty popups or real intruding ads; but you got to understand that this is an industry you are happy to get content from.

And something like 90% of internet users still use internet explorer. The small amount of people who are capable of disabling ads does not put a huge dent in most sites even if they do depend on ad revenue.

Besides, if some site that I want to support really needs the ad revenue, it's not a huge task for me to enable ads for that particular site. So far, I haven't come accross with even one site that would have had trouble getting revenue because of ad blockers, though.

"trustworthy" sites try not to bother too much their audience with intruding stuff, trust me.

Sure they do, to the extent they can control the "intrusiveness" of their ads. And like I said, that extent is not much.

The true idiots are the ones blocking everything and being so proud of it, like someone who would brag about not paying his taxes and taking advantage of the system.

Tell me... do you ever record tv shows? Do you ever fast-forward over the commercial breaks? Or do you ever go to the bathroom or change the channel during a commercial break?

Unless you meticulously watch every single commercial break on every tv-show you watch, I'm going to have to call you a hypocrite.

Natty, I've been working in internet advertising for 8 years now (agency, publisher and ad network sides) so I think I know what I'm talking about.

Betiko, I've been working in internet advertising for 9 years now, so I know better than you.

[natty dread]

THose people will probably need to fix most of their problems themselves (and they probably do)

And how exactly do you suppose they do that?

are you suggesting they have no capability of solving some of their own problems? are you saying their dimwits with no ability?

So, are you saying that if someone is poor and is unable to do anything about it due to their life circumstances, they are idiots?

Are you saying poor people aren't able to do anything for themselves?

Are you saying you are unable to understand conditional statements?

I'm saying that despite the amount of aid we give them, it will probably eventually run out and they will have to fend for themselves, and will have to find their own solutions to their own problems.

Nirvana fallacy.

[shieldgenerator7]

OK, natty. Explain to me this: Nirvana fallacy. WHatthium? What is it and how does it apply here?