Place troops at Beginning of Game

datrucks · Post by **datrucks** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:15 am

I remember playing risk were each player placed his own troops on the board 3 at a time at the start of the game. Any plans on a game like that coming to Conquer Club.
Keep up the good work
TY
David A.

Jeff Hardy · Post by **Jeff Hardy** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:42 am

I think that would be cool. Those who like don't like the idea don't have to play that type of game and those who like it can play. Nobody loses out.

Hound · Post by **Hound** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:53 am

I can't imagine waiting for everybody to take their turn placing armies, imagine if you have an 8 player game. Then when you throw your secret alliances and multis into the mix you can really come out on the losing end.

Not sure I'd be interested given the issues I mentioned, but maybe the option would work on speed games.

Jeff Hardy · Post by **Jeff Hardy** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:11 am

I think it would be good if you have to place your armies within 2 minutes even if it's not a speed game.

hecter · Post by **hecter** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:58 pm

It will probably be available in the future. Next time, check the suggestions forum.

JACKAZZTJM · Post by **JACKAZZTJM** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 1:04 pm

i would love to place my own pieces but i would constantly place them in my ass

trk1994 · Post by **trk1994** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:37 am

i think it would be cool as well. however, a missed turn here would have to result in a complete loss of missed armies. you snooze you lose

TheTrees · Post by **TheTrees** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:35 pm

i think that if this is introduced it should be an option that way those who like it can use it and those who don't want to wait can have it randomly selected in the classic manor

gdeangel · Post by **gdeangel** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 3:46 pm

The way to do it is a comprimise between complete sequential placing, and the "random drops" you get now. When you join, you have to list in order the territories you want. The game queues randomly in the same order of play through the lists... if your choice is available, you get it, if not, it goes down the list to your next choice until it hits a vacant spot. Then it moves to the next players list, etc. until all have been placed. This way it would just be something you do before the game initializes (should probably even be on a seperate pre-game screen where you just see the non-interactive "sample map")...

greenoaks · Post by **greenoaks** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:49 pm

this is one of the dumbest ideas i have seen for the following reasons:

- where the other players deploy will affect where i deploy.

- what random territories i get would also affect where i place my armies. this will not be known until all places are filled. this could add up to 8 days to the start of some games.

trk1994 · Post by **trk1994** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:38 pm

Greenoaks is right. Where the others deploy does have a big effect on where I might deploy. However the eight days to start a game would not really be a drawback, as long as it were only set as an option for your games. I would use the option only with players I know and we could all be online at the same time, set up the game, then play as normal.

hecter · Post by **hecter** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:39 pm

greenoaks wrote:this is one of the dumbest ideas i have seen for the following reasons:

- where the other players deploy will affect where i deploy.

- what random territories i get would also affect where i place my armies. this will not be known until all places are filled. this could add up to 8 days to the start of some games.

Why is it a dumb idea if it: A. has been in the original RISK game since the dawn of time and B. many many people want it ?

PaperPlunger · Post by **PaperPlunger** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:42 pm

This should be moved to the Suggestion Forum so it can be reviewed by CC staff!

owenshooter · Post by **owenshooter** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:47 pm

Jeff Hardy wrote:I think it would be good if you have to place your armies within 2 minutes even if it's not a speed game.

what happens when you put up a doubles game, like me and my partner do, and it takes a few days to fill up.. we are supposed to be on the computer within 2 minutes of the start to place our armies or lose them? yeah, wonderful idea... just wonderful.. very well thought out and brilliantly worded...-0

p.s.-we have had games take up to 2 weeks to fill!!! but hey, maybe you could stretch that 2 minutes to 3, to give us a fair chance at getting in and getting our armies down...

datrucks · Post by **datrucks** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 9:05 am

Thanks for all the replies maybe someday, someway will have an option like this. Be best for speed and private games.

greenoaks · Post by **greenoaks** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 7:55 pm

hecter wrote:
greenoaks wrote:this is one of the dumbest ideas i have seen for the following reasons:

- where the other players deploy will affect where i deploy.

- what random territories i get would also affect where i place my armies. this will not be known until all places are filled. this could add up to 8 days to the start of some games.

Why is it a dumb idea if it: A. has been in the original RISK game since the dawn of time and B. many many people want it ?

the difference between this game and the board game is that we are not all sitting around your mothers dining table ready to play. this is an online game that allows us to log in once a day to take our turns.

where i want to deploy will depend on what grouping of territories i have, what grouping of territories my opponents have & where they have deployed in previous deployment rounds.

to have this as an option on casual games would add up to 8 days per deployment round to the start of a game. it could be several months before the game starts.

the quickest and fairest way to start a game is to keep the random allocation with the even distribution of armies.

hecter · Post by **hecter** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 8:45 pm

Well, you see, not everybody just wants a quick game. If they want to have a really long as game, let them. You also said none of that in your post, you just said "It's dumb because it will require strategy." or at least an equivalent to that. Besides, it's not like anybody is forcing you to play this game type. Lastly, the game isn't always fair. Sometimes you get a good drop, other times you get bad luck with the dice. I can see no significant advantage being gained with this if played properly (unlike, say, a "Red Starts With 50% of the Board" option or a "Roll All 6's" option) so fairness doesn't come into it.

Oh, and it's my dads table, I've never played at my moms.

greenoaks · Post by **greenoaks** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:16 am

hecter wrote:Well, you see, not everybody just wants a quick game. If they want to have a really long as game, let them. You also said none of that in your post, you just said "It's dumb because it will require strategy." or at least an equivalent to that. Besides, it's not like anybody is forcing you to play this game type. Lastly, the game isn't always fair. Sometimes you get a good drop, other times you get bad luck with the dice. I can see no significant advantage being gained with this if played properly (unlike, say, a "Red Starts With 50% of the Board" option or a "Roll All 6's" option) so fairness doesn't come into it.

Oh, and it's my dads table, I've never played at my moms.

actually i never said it should be avoided because it involves strategy. i am all for increased strategy and this does, particularly combined with a choice of territory, increase strategy.

it is however the length of time that would be required just to get to the first turn that i would consider it to be such a drawback as to outway any increase in strategy offered in casual games.

hecter · Post by **hecter** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:06 pm

Now you're contradiction yourself. You said that it's bad because what territories you get and where your team mates place their armies will affect where you place yours. In a nutshell, it's bad because it requires strategy. You had one small sentence on length, and as I said before, not everybody will care about that so why should you deny them the option?

Thezzaruz · Post by **Thezzaruz** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 4:18 am

Jeff Hardy wrote:I think it would be good if you have to place your armies within 2 minutes even if it's not a speed game.

That just won't ever be possible in a casual game as game starts currently work.

Might work if we could set a time and date for when a game begins when it is created (and left blank would mean "when last person enter" as per how it work now). Don't think I would play with this rule though as it would require me to plan my life around CC to much.

I could see it working very well for speed games though.

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