What were the first 10 maps on CC?

xroads · Post by **xroads** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:44 pm

I know classic was obviously #1, but what were the next 9?

rockfist · Post by **rockfist** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:52 pm

Doodle Earth had to be one of the first I'd think...

Post by **Dukasaur** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:54 pm

xroads wrote:I know classic was obviously #1, but what were the next 9?

This is the kind of question you can look up on the Map Statistics page.
https://www.conquerclub.com/public.php?mode=maps

You can click on any of the top categories (Title Status Image Released Territories Advanced Gameplay New Recruits Games Played Games Per Month) to sort the list by that category.

Sorting by release date, we get:
https://www.conquerclub.com/public.php? ... eleaseDate
Ignoring the 2015 World Cup at the top (which is just a programming error) we find the first nine were:
Classic
Far East
Middle East
Brazil
Canada
Europe
British Isles
Crossword
USA

After that there were three (Africa, Discworld, Indochina) all released on the same day, which would therefore all be tied for tenth place.

rockfist wrote:Doodle Earth had to be one of the first I'd think...

Nope, Doodle Earth was 45th, on August 8th, 2007.

xroads · Post by **xroads** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 2:59 pm

That is so cool, I never knew that tool was there. Now lets integrate map rank into it

Post by **Dukasaur** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:03 pm

xroads wrote:That is so cool, I never knew that tool was there. Now lets integrate map rank into it

That would be cool!

owenshooter · Post by **owenshooter** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:04 pm

GOT FAST POSTED BY DUK, by looking for the answer!! HA!!! good answer, here is my attempt.

xroads wrote:I know classic was obviously #1, but what were the next 9?

well, this belongs in the foundry... but let me get this over with... here is the amazing link that thenobodies did back in 2012:

Subject: Map Foundry Gallery

aaaand, it is dead... yet, another reason for users to not do things offsite (like the proposed wiki page that caused a mod to lose his mind and quit the forums when the flaws were pointed out to him)... from there, we go to BLITZAHOLICS top thread:

Subject: (Thread of CC Records) 1st 5's & TOP 5's

aaaand, i'm about 30 pages in and can't find it!!! hmmmm... i'd hit up someone with a blue name like ManBungalow, he has to have this info... i really wish the info had been integrated as Andy stated back in 2012... now i am curious!!!!-Bj

p.s.-if you had posted this in the foundry, nobody would have seen it... i forgive you...

if a tree falls...

owenshooter · Post by **owenshooter** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:06 pm

fast posted... good answer... and you should poke around the site more, X... there is a ton of cool stuff like that, which just isn't very clear where/how to find info... when i get bored, i look for new stuff that has existed that i have never even heard of... enjoy!!-Bj

xroads · Post by **xroads** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:09 pm

I always try to poke around, but sometimes you just overlook what is right in front of you.

xroads · Post by **xroads** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:14 pm

I wish the history of CC was told somewhere....................

Post by **Dukasaur** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:20 pm

owenshooter wrote:fast posted... good answer... and you should poke around the site more, X... there is a ton of cool stuff like that, which just isn't very clear where/how to find info... when i get bored, i look for new stuff that has existed that i have never even heard of... enjoy!!-Bj

Yeah, I used to do quite a bit of archive prowling. Some fascinating stuff. Sadly, I don't have the kind of free time that I used to.

xroads · Post by **xroads** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:24 pm

So Jan 2, 2006 the site went live?

Fewnix · Post by **Fewnix** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:25 pm

What you will also find from the statistics is that the most popular maps in terms of games played are the old ones. It is not until you get to the 20th most popular map, Baltic Crusades, that you find a map created after 2009 in the top ranking.

20 Baltic Crusades Live 2012-12-16 59 Yes No 102,425 2,238

Classic is of course the most popular having close to 4 million of the over 14 million played, roughly 30%. Then the next 6 most popular maps, ranging from Arms Race at over 300,000 games played to Doodle Earth at almost 800,000 games played ,together account for aver 3 million of the over 14 million played. so the top 7 most popular maps on CC, all created before 2009, account for over 1/2 of the over 14 million games played.
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http://www.conquerclub.com/public.php?m ... sort=games
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and for the monthly stats, it is not until you get to Conquer Rome that you get a map created after 2009 in the top ranking and that is at 34Th.

34 Conquer Rome Live 2011-09-20 119 Yes No 37,930 626

owenshooter · Post by **owenshooter** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:26 pm

xroads wrote:So Jan 2, 2006 the site went live?

you have been here since 2007, why are you just now looking into all of this? ha!!!! you are cracking me up... are you doing a paper for a class?!!!! admit it!!! or are you working on a Wiki page?-Bj

xroads · Post by **xroads** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:34 pm

owenshooter wrote:
xroads wrote:So Jan 2, 2006 the site went live?
you have been here since 2007, why are you just now looking into all of this? ha!!!! you are cracking me up... are you doing a paper for a class?!!!! admit it!!! or are you working on a Wiki page?-Bj

I have been inching towards my platinum cross map medal & it got me thinking.

I had assumed the site had been around for a decade when I joined in 2007 as it was crazy busy at the time.

Post by **IcePack** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:49 pm

The monthly games total is good to know but can be misleading of judging by "popularity". Some maps are very quick (doodle) and can be played 25 times at once, where are other bigger larger maps might be just as "popular" but don't get played as often because they are more time consuming. (Hive etc, tho not give cuz some hate it but you get the example)

owenshooter · Post by **owenshooter** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:30 pm

xroads wrote:I had assumed the site had been around for a decade when I joined in 2007 as it was crazy busy at the time.

i can see that.. that was back when the site was all over!! we were in the news, we were listed in the top 5 forums on the entire internets, we were raiding conventions, it was glorious... i can see how you would think that if you did not frequent the forums... glad you are learning your cc history, so you don't help repeat the mistakes... *COUGH* surrender button... *COUGH* surrender button... the black jesus has spoken...-Bj

DoomYoshi · Post by **DoomYoshi** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:34 pm

The Map Stats page has errors. USA, Classic and Asia were all released day 1. It can't be trusted. I built my own list a long time ago and PMed it to Dukasaur. I doubt he has it.

Post by **Dukasaur** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 6:09 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:The Map Stats page has errors. USA, Classic and Asia were all released day 1. It can't be trusted. I built my own list a long time ago and PMed it to Dukasaur. I doubt he has it.

No, I don't. I still have your list of maps from when we were finishing our Cross-map medals, and I also still have your idea for a map based on the human body, but the one about the original maps I don't have.

The reason I didn't keep it is that there was no context. Originally you said you wanted to build a tournament series around it, then you decided not to, and since I didn't intend to run a tournament series like that, I didn't keep it. Now, however, there is a context. There wasn't a maps database back then, but now there is, so if you made a list of the errors in it they could be fixed.

oaktown · Post by **oaktown** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 10:45 pm

It should be noted that half of those first ten maps - including Classic - have been redone since their release date and resemble the originals in gameplay only.

iAmCaffeine · Post by **iAmCaffeine** » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:32 pm

Classic Shapes / Art.

owenshooter · Post by **owenshooter** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:48 am

iAmCaffeine wrote:Classic Shapes / Art.

i wish they would bring back "ART", that was sooo, cool..-Bj

Post by **Dukasaur** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 3:24 am

oaktown wrote:It should be noted that half of those first ten maps - including Classic - have been redone since their release date and resemble the originals in gameplay only.

Wow! You live! Welcome!

Donelladan · Post by **Donelladan** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 3:57 am

Fewnix wrote:What you will also find from the statistics is that the most popular maps in terms of games played are the old ones. It is not until you get to the 20th most popular map, Baltic Crusades, that you find a map created after 2009 in the top ranking.

20 Baltic Crusades Live 2012-12-16 59 Yes No 102,425 2,238

You should not use the total game played to consider which map is the most popular, since obviously a map created in 2015, even if very popular, have less game played than a map created in 2007.
You should consider, as you did after, the games per month, in which case Baltic Crusades become ranked number 8.

Total of games played is also affected by the number of players, in the first years of the site we had more players, and less maps.
It is an interesting stat but it doesn't tell you which maps are popular imo.

Fewnix wrote: Classic is of course the most popular having close to 4 million of the over 14 million played, roughly 30%. Then the next 6 most popular maps, ranging from Arms Race at over 300,000 games played to Doodle Earth at almost 800,000 games played ,together account for aver 3 million of the over 14 million played. so the top 7 most popular maps on CC, all created before 2009, account for over 1/2 of the over 14 million games played.

You should also consider the influence of speed games in those statistic.
For example :
Doodle earth -768,780 games played with 460,420 speed games and 308,360 - 24h gmes .
World 2.1 - 456,941 games played with 31,815 speed games and 423,839 - 24h games.

Also speaking about Baltic Crusade :
Baltic Crusade : 102,560games played with 68,216 speed games ( among those 57,440 trench speed games, just for the people that think that trench speed isn't popular) and 34,052 - 24h games
Eurasia 31,344 games played, only 2,556 seed games, and thus 28,538 - 24h games.

Eurasia and Baltic crusade are both from 2012, therefore if we don't take into account speed games, both maps are almost as popular as each other.
World 2.1 is actually more popular than doodle earth without the speed games.

Speed games should be taken into account differently, imho, because size of the map has a strong influence on the choice, and also because 1 speed players can play way more games than one 24h game players, which mean a "speed map" could have more games played with actually less people liking the map.
Would be nice to know how many different players played the map more than 5 times for example, would be really a good indication of popularity.

DoomYoshi · Post by **DoomYoshi** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:07 am

Really need to adjust the games per month by the # of users on the site at the time. It's the only way to get a truly subjective ranking. I say subjective because Classic is the worst map but will still probably #1, so any ranking that has it in the top 10 is faulty.

owenshooter · Post by **owenshooter** » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:08 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:I say subjective because Classic is the worst map but will still probably #1, so any ranking that has it in the top 10 is faulty.

why is it so hard to understand that people flock to that map, because it so closely resembles the original reason we all came here? don't knock it... it is the reason for the site... respect your past, come on... the black jesus has spoken...-Bj

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